Uncle beheads toddler in supermarket

Murder is becoming the new monopoly. It's just a board game to some.

Something really very wrong here. What kind of mindset can do anything like that.

reply to post by _Phoenix_


The only thing I agreed to is that we live in a society that wants to victimize the assaulter. I didn't make any comments about people defending this killer. I talked about people being politically correct.

Here is my original statement.

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"Here are some points no one else seems to discuss. What makes this seem typical of Muslim actions is that this guy cut off the child's head in public, in front of his mother, because of a dispute. This is not something you see in the Western world. We have our perverts, mothers suffering from post pregnancy depression, acts by love struck teenagers, and suicidal lunatics taking everyone they can with them, but killing a child over a dispute to spite the mother in public, this is not something seen in the Western world.

Sorry, but the trial on witchcraft, and beating women for being rape victims seems to follow this line of behavior of killing a woman's child in front of her in public. This is an act of depraved cruelty, an act of singular obstinacy that seems to be too typical of the Muslim world, in their willingness to blow up a crowd of innocent people to make a political point.

What really gets me about this story is that none of the stories I have seen so far tell what happened to this murderer. Has he been arrested, did he flee the scene, did he kill himself immediately after? Why not? What was the dispute over? As far as we know, the guy could still be walking the streets."



Am I being critical of Muslim culture, of course. Am I trying to bash Muslim culture, no. There is a difference. It doesn't make any sense to have a forum just to condemn the murderer.

All I am asking is something that a great many others will ask if or when they read this story, which is, is this a reflection of Muslim Culture?

All I have spoken of is what I know from the news and given my opinion. I admit, I am walking a very fine line, but I think you might find that my thoughts are far more complicated on the issue than you seem to want to believe.

There is a reason that people pay attention to these kind of stories. I am very curious what most Muslims think about this incident. Do they wonder if this could be a reflection of their society? Are they allowed to wonder about this, or how many of them ever hear of an accurate account of the story.

This is not like any other killing that I have ever heard of. It is like a an act of personal terrorism. The closet thing I can think of is the story of the man who beat his girlfriends child to death in front of her. It was a situation where he had taken control of her life, and this was just an extension of that, but even this was about control of this woman, not so singularly intent on terrorizing her. By the way, I did comment on that incident on a forum somewhere, and I do think it was a reflection of the problems that we are currently facing in Western Culture.

Originally posted by Brothers
Something really very wrong here. What kind of mindset can do anything like that.

Only someone who is completely lost man. I just wish the whole world was living in a matter that people like this didn't get so lost to begin with. I am making the assumption that it's usually nuture and not nature of course

Originally posted by xmotex

I really want to believe you EXCEPT for the fact that "true and peaceful Muslims" never ever speak out and denounce these barbaric crimes commited against the innocent

Get the back under thy bridge

[edit on 3/3/08 by xmotex]

EXCUSE me. Was that intended as a racial slur?

"Get the back under thy bridge" I'm really, really allowing an exception here in that I don't know your level of education (if any, can't assume these things on the internet-ya know. Maybe someone if just typing these things for you. Maybe an educated spouse?)...so I'm going to help you out a tad.....but here you go...Do you mean:
"....(you, which is understood in ENGLISH sentence structure) get thee back under thy bridge." Is that more like it? OR perhaps you meant ..."get thy back"---an innuendo that is explicitly derrogatory, implying--- "wet-back". Oops, maybe I shouldn't infer any association one could make between the avatar of an individual with the actual poster? An avatar showing a young Hispanic male.

And what bridge? Maybe, like, the bridge to The Land of Milk and Honey so many immigrants have risked life and limb to attain?

I expect an explanation even if other posters may have missed this possible innuendo against a (probably) Hispanic poster.

And, YEAH....I don't like illegal aliens.

SO?

According to this article, this type of murderous act seems to be on the rise in SA.

Saudi Arabia - beheading in the 21st century.
Saudi Arabia uses public beheading as the punishment for murder, rape, drug trafficking, sodomy, armed robbery, apostasy and certain other offences. 2007 has been the record year for executions with 153 men and three women executed. Forty five men and 2 women were beheaded in 2002, a further 52 men and 1 woman in 2003 and 35 men and a woman in 2004. Executions rose in 2005 with 88 men and 2 women being beheaded and then reduced to 35 men and four women in 2006.

This is definately a traggic story, but I don't get whats so surprising to people here. This kind of thing happens all the time. Murder is Murder plain and simple. But, when you talk about kids being murdered its so sad, or so traggic, or so disgusting so on and so on. I really don't see it that way. Like I said a murder is a murder, your still taking a soul away.

Originally posted by dizziedame
Beheading seems to have been common practice for the Arabs for hundreds of years.

Does anyone know what other countries practice beheading?

Maybe the USA ought to try beheading for some of our most hideous crimes. Yes, beheading is harsh, but so is the rape or murder of children.

So why not combine them both!!!

The real problem here is murder, not religion. Sociopathy knows no borders, and is present in every shrine.

[edit on 3-3-2008 by bigfatfurrytexan]

Originally posted by Conspiracy Theorist

I was shocked by the story as much as anyone, but being honest here.

Are we not 'conditioned' to subconsciencely link beheadings to muslims?

I guess that is what I was commenting on. For some reason that is what came to mind when reading the story. So thats what I posted.

CT

Yes, that's racism. Just like thinking all blacks steal and all chinese people can do laundry.

When I think about my Arab/Indian [they look similar, I know some people have eyeballed an Indian (not Native American, either) for the wrong reasons before] friends I think about how much better they are doing than all my other friends. They have their lives put together and are way more on track than most of the 'freedom lovin' bible thumpers' we produce in the states.

I personally know more people with a PhD or masters that are brown skinned than any other race.

It really pisses me off to keep reading the consensus that people who happen to have brown skin just also happen to be head chopping savages. Ignorance!

PS
Indians are Asian, don't look like a goof and think they are Middle Eastern. If any one must be a biggot, be an educated one.

PPS
This post is not directed at you but a response to your question. This is not a personal address or an assumption of your personal beliefs.

Originally posted by DalairTheGreat
THIS WAS NOT MURDER
This was a bad kid that couldn't keep his mouth shut. Stop trying to make the boy look like a victim.
His uncle is the victim of having to take care of his ungrateful nephew.

remind me to never let any of my children anywhere near you.

Beheading is not a form of punishment. I would certainly hope you are either joking, or a morose teenage who is just trolling.

reply to post by deenamarie53


The bridge comment was a reference to trolls from The Three Billy Goats Gruff fairy tale... although it's clear a different sort of troll is implied.

Originally posted by deenamarie53

EXCUSE me. Was that intended as a racial slur?

"Get the back under thy bridge" I'm really, really allowing an exception here in that I don't know your level of education (if any, can't assume these things on the internet-ya know. Maybe someone if just typing these things for you. Maybe an educated spouse?)...so I'm going to help you out a tad.....but here you go...Do you mean:
"....(you, which is understood in ENGLISH sentence structure) get thee back under thy bridge." Is that more like it? OR perhaps you meant ..."get thy back"---an innuendo that is explicitly derrogatory, implying--- "wet-back". Oops, maybe I shouldn't infer any association one could make between the avatar of an individual with the actual poster? An avatar showing a young Hispanic male.

And what bridge? Maybe, like, the bridge to The Land of Milk and Honey so many immigrants have risked life and limb to attain?

I expect an explanation even if other posters may have missed this possible innuendo against a (probably) Hispanic poster.

And, YEAH....I don't like illegal aliens.

SO?

Wow...think you may have over reacted? That was a fairly loosely associated rant you threw together there.

I agree...the trolling that was being referred to is obvious to most who frequent forums.

Why did you feel you had to sum your statements up with the "i don't like illegal aliens" bit?

reply to post by Beachcoma


Hmmm, perhaps.

Guess I missed the 3 Billy Goats Gruff, indeed. Maybe.

But no. I don't see it that way.

Originally posted by Conspiracy Theorist


This is not going to do good things for the image of Muslims.

Westerners already seem to believe that Arabs will behead someone at the drop of a hat.

CT

Understatement of the year!

But I'm sure like me there are millions of people who are not in the least surprised.

Well it seems different countries and/or religion.

You see alot more serial killers here in the United states, and you see alot more shootings. Mothers drowning babies ect. But rarely if every do you see decapitation or mutilation/dissection of a victim unless they are already dead.

Middle east Countries are much more preone to beheading, and I couldn't tell you why, unless it's just what the MSM reports? So who knows if these labels are even justified.

But if I might I'd like to quote Micheal Moore(just to show how bad his analogies are), when he goes into his tirade-in bowling for columbine- about how the U.S.A commits 3 times more homicides by shooting than countries like France, Italy, England, and Ireland or what have you, and it makes you think WHOLLY Crap.

Then I researched the populations of all the countries above, and guess what?

The U.S.A has 3 times or more people than those it's listed against.

The only one that stands out is I believe it was Japan, they have close to our population slightly more, slightly less I forget, but they commit the least homicides by gun than all of the Countries polled. Maybe The still live and die by the sword?

Or maybe certain government types, democracy, communism, fascism, ect also has something to do with these numbers.

But there are sick people every where, in all colors and religions. Which are sicker, well I think it would be impossible to tell, because everyone's version of sick, or worst macabre crime is going to differ.

But to be-head a 15 month old baby in a shop...That definitey raank up there, imo.

[edit on 3-3-2008 by Nola213]

This is utterly disgusting, This is another example of the type of people we are dealing with here. I don't care what anyone says they are all *&%*$# in the head. I wish we could just get rid of all of them. They are like a type of a bread of dog that cannot be trusted and will turn on its owner in a second. No ones religion should condone this type of behaviour.

This is utterly disgusting, This is another example of the type of people we are dealing with here. I don't care what anyone says they are all *&%*$# in the head. I wish we could just get rid of all of them. They are like a type of a bread of dog that cannot be trusted and will turn on its owner in a second. No ones religion should condone this type of behaviour.

It's funny, but this exactly the kind of thing their fanatics say about us.

You do realize you just advocated the genocide of about a billion people BTW, right?

Hello, mods?!?

Ok. I started this thread last night and went to bed and when I woke up it was 9 pages long so I dont really know where to start.

My feelings are that this act is a dispicable act carried out by a sub-human psychopathic monster. I also feel that this sort of thing could have happened anywhere in the world. And does. Maybe not it the form of beheadings, but there are many children being persecuted and exploited as I type this. In every country on this planet of ours.

In that entire rant above, not once did I mention Muslims. I was disgusted to read this:

Originally posted by xyankee
This is utterly disgusting, This is another example of the type of people we are dealing with here. I don't care what anyone says they are all *&%*$# in the head. I wish we could just get rid of all of them. They are like a type of a bread of dog that cannot be trusted and will turn on its owner in a second. No ones religion should condone this type of behaviour.

This way of thinking makes me sick. You cannot 'just get rid of all of them.' they have as much right to their beliefs as you (unfortunately) have to yours.

This was not the acts of a muslim. This was the act of a psychopath.

CT

Are we not 'conditioned' to subconsciencely link beheadings to muslims?

"Conditioned"?
Indeed we are - by those who kill in the name of Islam themselves.

I hate sounding apologetic when there is nothing to apologise for, but considering how many people read this - and, obviously, don't know me - I will state quite clearly that I have nothing against Islam, and have defended it publicly on more than one forum in the past.

People associated beheading with Islam (and with the Japanese culture, but this is unrelated) because that seems to be the preferred execution style across the Islamic world for many centuries.
When the Ottoman armies set Europe ablaze (15th - 17th centuries), most of the continent came to associate the practice of beheading with "Turks" (or "Mohamedans", as Muslims were incorrectly called up to fairly recent times).
Were all those people "conditioned" to do so? You bet! They were: by all the Turks that actually did behead tens of thousands of people (not to mention some other practices, too gruesome to be mentioned here - No, really.)

Furthermore, in recent times it was Muslims (not good Muslims, if you ask me, but they seem to think they are) who made sure they perpetuated and strongly reinforced their association to beheading, by sending out video tapes of themselves doing just that to their prisoners.

Please... let's not be "politically correct" at any cost.
Nothing is worth sacrificing the truth.
















[edit on 3-3-2008 by Vanitas]