Uncle beheads toddler in supermarket

reply to post by Cloak and Dagger


If they thought it was justified, would you agree to another country imposing their moral ethics and judgement on the US?

I am kind of confused on the whole issue here.. and why this thread generated so much heat and anger..

A guy beheads a kid at a store... ok.

The guy lives in Saudi Arabia, and is a Syrian national..... ok.

What does that have to do with anything? That all Syrians living in Saudi Arabia kill babies at grocery stores? ..... no.

And then somehow this thread sinks into bashing western culture / American culture with Islamic culture.... right.

When in reality, people are people, and last I checked the nation you lived in, the religion you subscribe to and the level of malenin in your skin does not automatically make you subscribe to certain thought process and or actions against babies in grocery stores.

Its a non issue.. crazy dude in the store went nuts. Thats the end. Now we can talk about the depravity of humanity and the degenerating sense of morality amongst all of us...

But in reality.. sick people have been around for ever, and I imagine it was not the first baby ever decapitated in public by a nut case... and I strongly doubt it will be the last. Just because humanity is humanity regardless of where you are.

Hey..

So the West and the East do have something in common! Sick degenerated citizens killing and abusing the innocent.

Well its a start.

reply to post by DalairTheGreat


No way was I going to be the first to inject some humour. You're a brave man (or woman).

reply to post by Rockpuck


Yeah your right, we are ALL THE SAME! No matter where, no matter when.

When wars and problems in the world stop, like in palastine Iraq etc, and problems in Africa etc when that all stops, there WILL be different problems, other wars, in different places, other crazy people all over the world, you finish a war, another war comes.

A chinese man kills his family, and a american man rapes his family, it doesn't matter where, it doesn't matter when, we are all the same, it's a human thing, and as long as we excist there will be crazy people who do crazy things.

Which comes back to another point, no matter where in the world, no matter when, there will always be great good people, who do amazing good things.

Humans. Stop making sides, because we are all humans. Wars will never stop, murder will never stop, and good beautiful people will never stop.







[edit on 3-3-2008 by _Phoenix_]

reply to post by Cloak and Dagger


Generally, I agree with what you say about non-violent offenders, but that is a separate and different argument.

What I made was a reference to how capital punishment is perceived by some. Because it's called "capital punishment" folks perceive it to be punishment. It seems to me that a criminal legally put to death is absolved of punishment in favor of justice for the sake of the aggrieved, state, and country.

Of course, this is a debate in itself. Is punishment equal to justice? In my opinion, sometimes yes, sometimes no.

[edit on 3-3-2008 by Areal51]

Originally posted by Rockpuck

Now we can talk about the depravity of humanity and the degenerating sense of morality amongst all of us...

So the West and the East do have something in common! Sick degenerated citizens killing and abusing the innocent.

Well its a start.

Couldn't have put it better myself Rock.

I know I could post numerous links about loons and cranks here in the UK or the US for that matter who have committed equally heinous crimes.

I fail to see what religion or racial ethnicity has to do with it, just that there is a streak of evil inherent in mankind that manifests itself in such heinous acts occassionally throughout the whole world, irrelevant of society, culture or social standing.

[edit on 3-3-2008 by Freeborn]

Good debate over a serious issue. It's just turned midnight here, so I'll catch up tomorrow evening. Well moderated!!

Best wishes to you all and my sincere sympathy to that unfortunate family.

Myrdyn

are these news sources reliable? maybe its just propaganda to make us hate them, so we are made to think the "war" is a good thing. to keep a bad image of them in our minds so that when we see these people face to face it puts fear and anger towards them in our heads.

Originally posted by TheWalkingFox
reply to post by Alxandro

 

So hey. Are you going to turn over a new leaf, and cease your cheers when Palestinian children are killed in the conflict there? Because I seem to remember you telling me they all deserve to die.

I'm glad to see your heart growing three sizes. Maybe it'll start beating eventually!

Girl, you better backup your slanderous accussation because I've never expressed those sentiments. What I asked before is "If they are always ready and willing to die for their cause, then maybe they should be accommodated?"
A fair and honest question which you have yet to answer.

I won't even mention the stories I've heard from returning Iraqi troops of women sabotaging military operations by purposely throwing their babies in front of moving military convoys.

Originally posted by Myrdyn
reply to post by DalairTheGreat

 

No way was I going to be the first to inject some humour. You're a brave man (or woman).

and sick too.

Why do I get the feeling that Selective Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitors(SSRIs) have made their way to the middle east?

Originally posted by Harlequin
since islam is not the main religion of Syria - nice for some blind ignorant fools to just wave the `nuke the rag***** there just animals` banner as usual.


oh i would laugh (thats satirical btw) if he turns out to be Christian or Jewish.

It is more that part of the world than anything else. Muslims tend to be the strictest of the bunch with using extreme methods, but I would bet most of the other religion lifestyles look the same too. This is mainly because there is more going on here than religion that is driving all this. Brutal barbaric cultures are just to blame if not more for these types of events. Religion might be the fuel, but it is 1000 year old cultures that have changed little that ignite the fuel.

Originally posted by Myrdyn
reply to post by Cloak and Dagger

 

If they thought it was justified, would you agree to another country imposing their moral ethics and judgement on the US?

I do it to the US all the time and I live here =] I am not what you would call a "traditional patriotic American", but I certainly love the land and the people at large.

But to answer your question, if I agreed with their moral judgement then it's a resounding "Yes" =]

Originally posted by onesockon
are these news sources reliable? maybe its just propaganda to make us hate them, so we are made to think the "war" is a good thing. to keep a bad image of them in our minds so that when we see these people face to face it puts fear and anger towards them in our heads.

Well, as posted by apc earlier, the original source of the news gives a more detailed account of what happened. The source in the OP, which I've traced to AFP keeps it short and brief. As it often happens, what is left out can also influence people's perception to the event. In this case, the shock and horror of the eyewitnesses and the people of the city were left out. As evidenced by some responses in this thread, people fill in the blanks with their own preconceptions.

I should also add that while looking for more information on this (there's really only two versions of this report, the one from the original source and the AFP article everywhere else) I came across all kinds of other horrid acts committed towards infants from various cultures, East or West. As neformore, Rockpuck, myself and others have stated, it simply means there are inhuman psychos everywhere.

Originally posted by Areal51
perceived by some. Because it's called "capital punishment" folks perceive it to be punishment. It seems to me that a criminal legally put to death is absolved of punishment in favor of justice for the sake of the aggrieved, state, and country.

Of course, this is a debate in itself. Is punishment equal to justice? In my opinion, sometimes yes, sometimes no.

[edit on 3-3-2008 by Areal51]

I think we are most likely in agreement. I didn't infer the 'sometimes' from your previous post.

But I stick to that non-violent offenders should never be put to death.

Capital punishment on serious violent-offenders: killers, rapists, child molesters, etc. that is justice. Hell that's poetic justice.

This incident is the perfect illustration of the low value humans place on
ALL life when there's no belief in a creator God who feels that every
human life is special. Sadly, America is deteriorating to this point as
well. But since the Bible predicted this world-wide deterioration of
values, and it's never wrong on large scale matters, I suppose we're
just fulfilling human destiny.

Originally posted by carewemust
This incident is the perfect illustration of the low value humans place on
ALL life when there's no belief in a creator God who feels that every
human life is special. Sadly, America is deteriorating to this point as
well. But since the Bible predicted this world-wide deterioration of
values, and it's never wrong on large scale matters, I suppose we're
just fulfilling human destiny.

I am assuming you're talking about the New Testament or some other western bible here? You don't think their bible predicted similar? heh.

But yeah these types of crimes happen in the US too. Unfortunately. I also think belief in a benevolent creator God would help prevent this. Belief and the on-belief in this exists in the West and the East.

reply to post by Alxandro




me. Sick?
You have no discipline.

The child got what was coming. He will respect his elders in the afterlife.