Uncle beheads toddler in supermarket

I really want to believe you EXCEPT for the fact that "true and peaceful Muslims" never ever speak out and denounce these barbaric crimes commited against the innocent

They do, constantly, but folks like you just tune it out because it doesn't fit your preconceptions or agenda. It also rarely makes it into the news, hatred sells papers and gets ratings, reason doesn't.

There is quite a bit of resistance to and condemnation of terrorism in the Islamic world - not surprising when you consider that the vast majority of radical Islamists' victims are other Muslims.

And again, what does the action of one nutcase have to do with Islam in general?

We just had a case in Texas where some kids upset over a teenage romance stabbed and shot an 8 year old and a 13 year old repeatedly, then set them on fire

Is this somehow due to Christianity, because most Texans are Christians?
Of course not.

Get the back under thy bridge

[edit on 3/3/08 by xmotex]

reply to post by Alxandro

Religion should be a factor here because I guarantee you the shock factor would not be there if the toddler had been an "infidel".

You sound like an expert on Islam.So can you provide evidence where in quran/hadith does it say that muslims should be happy about a toddler being beheaded believer or non-believer.

I am looking forward to you very knowledgeable reply.

Originally posted by Alxandro
What a coincidence that bystanders just stood there and let it happen.
Only later were they "shocked".

Two things. Firstly, according to the original article here which is the source of all the other articles, it happened very quickly.

“It happened so quickly. Before people could intervene, the man had cut more than half way through the child’s neck,” said Abu Muhammad, a grandfather in his mid-60s.

Secondly, there is something called the bystander effect.

The bystander effect (also known as bystander apathy, Genovese syndrome, diffused responsibility or bystander intervention) is a psychological phenomenon in which someone is less likely to intervene in an emergency situation when other people are present and able to help than when he or she is alone.

This phenomenon is cross-cultural.

As for your claims that muslims are incapable of denouncing such acts, well that's just your bias. According to the original source from Arab News:

“No one could bear the gruesome sight of the boy’s decapitated body lying on the floor,” said Muneer, a Turkish car mechanic, who works at a garage close by. “How could someone do such a thing? I just can’t understand it... I still can’t believe it,” he said, shaking his head.

On a broader scale, this sort of barbaric behaviour is not specific to any particular group. Here is a report of something that happened in Texas about 4 years ago:

Texas Severed Arms Case Similar to Others

The state has had at least four similar cases in recent years. Andrea Yates drowned her five children in the family's Houston bathtub in 2001. Deanna Laney bashed her three sons' skulls with rocks last year, killing two and maiming a toddler. She said God told her to do it.

A mother from suburban Dallas drowned her daughters last fall, and a woman in Brownsville is accused of helping her common-law husband behead her three children.

Conclusion: there are nutters with no sense of humanity everywhere. One of the cases in the excerpt above even claims that God told her to do it. Does that mean all Christians are evil, baby-skull bashing psychos? Of course not.

Edit to add: In the last case in the excerpt above, the Texas man who decapitated their three children was sentenced to death. However the case was overturned on account of a technicality. Great justice, huh?

[edit on 3/3/2008 by Beachcoma]

reply to post by xmotex


Links please.

reply to post by Attari


Likewise can you provide evidence where it says it doesn't?

Maybe I should put together a collage of Kid Jihadis armed and prepared to do battle with the infidel. I'll be sure to include the radical hate filled Islamo Mickey Mouse.

There are some sick people in this world, who would have the mind, stomach and heart to do that to a toddler. That man was sick, if i was the mother i wouldn't of faint i would have went crazy on him and he would have been in shock for days, not even days months, years.

Originally posted by Alxandro
reply to post by Attari

 

Likewise can you provide evidence where it says it doesn't?

Typical answer.Classic way to reverse the question when one doesn't have any evidence to prove his/her hate towards a religion that he/she doesn't have a clue about.

Maybe I should put together a collage of Kid Jihadis armed and prepared to do battle with the infidel. I'll be sure to include the radical hate filled Islamo Mickey Mouse.

No i didn't ask for propaganda.But thanks for the very knowledgeable reply.

Now i will give evidence

Quotes from the Quran:

"O ye who believe! the law of equality is prescribed to you in cases of murder: the free for the free, the slave for the slave, the woman for the woman. But if any remission is made by the brother of the slain, then grant any reasonable demand, and compensate him with handsome gratitude, this is a concession and a Mercy from your Lord. After this whoever exceeds the limits shall be in grave penalty. (The Noble Quran, 2:178)"

God commands justice and doing good and giving to relatives. And He forbids indecency and doing wrong and tyranny. He warns you so that hopefully you will pay heed. (Qur'an, 16:90)

Quotes from Hadiths:

Narrated Anas: "The Prophet said, "The prescribed Law of Allah is the equality in punishment (i.e. Al-Qisas)." (In cases of murders, etc.) (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Prophetic Commentary on the Qur'an (Tafseer of the Prophet (pbuh)), Volume 6, Book 60, Number 26)"

Narrated Anas bin Malik: "A Jew crushed the head of a girl between two stones. It was said to her. "Who has done this to you, such-and-such person, such-and-such person?" When the name of the Jew was mentioned, she nodded with her head, agreeing. So the Jew was brought and he confessed. The Prophet ordered that his head be crushed with the stones. (Hammam said, "with two stones.") (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Blood Money (Ad-Diyat), Volume 9, Book 83, Number 23)"

Law of murder in islam

reply to post by Alxandro


No, I'm not bothering to play this game with you people anymore, it's a tremendous waste of time arguing with hate-addled zealot freaks. It's like trying to have a rational conversation with Osama Bin Laden - a waste of breath.

I'll post 57 zillion links to moderate Muslims condemning terrorism, and you'll find some facile way of dismissing or ignoring them, as you guys always do. I've been down this road before.

Debate is a waste of time, it's time for violence.
Terminate the fanatics, with extreme predjudice - our fanatics, their fanatics, it doesn't really matter. Fanatics are fanatics.

[edit on 3/3/08 by xmotex]

What I find funny is that this crime story was immediately scavenged and broadcasted to westerners... but, when horrific acts are committed in the US, do you think the Muslims bother to scavenge it? No.

In fact, the majority of brutal and disgusting murders committed in the States are rarely even seen on their own news stations.

For this one man who beheaded his child, I can name quite a few cases of Westerners tossing their children from balconies, or suffocating them.


Do you hear about these cases on the news? Nope.

So why did you hear about this Arab man? Propaganda.

1. Pick a people, make them out to look inhuman.
2. Tell your people you are under the threat of attack from them.
3. The public blows the picture out of proportion, and thirsts for war.
4. War.

Wanna know who wrote those steps?
Second in command of the Third Reich.


Yes, there are sick people out there in every religion. But for every one you hear of them, quickly check your own nations current events. I bet you you will find something of equal disgust in at least one state.

Sick ass #ers... This is exactly why the western world holds that region of the world in utter contempt and disregard. They'll either change or nothing will change for them. Their road only becomes harder from here.. Long live America!!

[edit on 3-3-2008 by SpeakerofTruth]

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I'm wondering if those were the kind of thoughts that were going through that Syrian's head when he cut off his nephew's. Do you see how easily you have been led to believe that violence is the answer.

During the Falklands War, Argentinian conscripts abandonned their positons and ran in fear because the Gurkhas were about to advance on their positions. They all knew that Nepalise Gurkhas eat the enemy alive!!

I have worked with many Gurkhas and they are the most polite and disciplined people you could ever wish to meet.. but don't tell anyone.

I heard that the Syrian wore a gold earring. You have to be careful of people who wear earrings. They cut people's heads off.

Listen to half of what you hear and believe half of what you listen to.

Best wishes

Myrdyn

Here are some points no one else seems to discuss. What makes this seem typical of Muslim actions is that this guy cut off the child's head in public, in front of his mother, because of a dispute. This is not something you see in the Western world. We have our perverts, mothers suffering from post pregnancy depression, acts by love struck teenagers, and suicidal lunatics taking everyone they can with them, but killing a child over a dispute to spite the mother in public, this is not something seen in the Western world.

Sorry, but the trial on witchcraft, and beating women for being rape victims seems to follow this line of behavior of killing a woman's child in front of her in public. This is an act of depraved cruelty, an act of singular obstinacy that seems to be too typical of the Muslim world, in their willingness to blow up a crowd of innocent people to make a political point.

What really gets me about this story is that none of the stories I have seen so far tell what happened to this murderer. Has he been arrested, did he flee the scene, did he kill himself immediately after? Why not? What was the dispute over? As far as we know, the guy could still be walking the streets.

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True,Poet. Yet, we live in a society that victimizes the assaulter.. Some here expect us to feel sorry for the scum bag piece of # that did this!!! I'm sorry but I have no feelings for the guy at all.

reply to post by SpeakerofTruth


Exactly, everyone is too busy being politically correct to have a frank discussion.

"Oh, we can't blame him or them or anyone for ever doing anything wrong, stop being so critical."

Originally posted by yahn goodey
reply to post by Conspiracy Theorist

 

how is this possible?---president bush says that muhammadism is a religion of peace and the muslims on ats assure us that the kuran does not allow for such atrocities.

poor kid---but when you think it over---is abortion any more less atrocious a crime ?---thousands dismembered to death every year in north america alone

Sad to see that way you have divided the world in your head between people like you and those not like you.

reply to post by SpeakerofTruth


You people are unbelievably nuts

Do you want me to go on YouTube and find a video of a crazy person holding an infant at knifepoint right here in the good old USA because of some stupid domestic dispute?

Because there's more than one up there.

It's not exactly rare, unfortunately, to see adults murdering children or threatening to, in public, right here at home. Just turn on your TV.

This kind of lunacy is a universal human problem, and has nothing to do with ethnicity or religion.

reply to post by Beachcoma


I understand the deer in the headlight effect can be cross cultural so people may not have had time to react.

I know about the Yates and Schlosser trials and no one was as pissed as I was when both women were found not guilty by reason of insanity. Almost everyone, especially Christians, condemned the acts but instead both women got off easy. Too many bleeding heart libs felt the idea of Pro Choice still applied, I guess.

Interesting to see what happens to the uncle.

Originally posted by Alxandro


I really want to believe you EXCEPT for the fact that "true and peaceful Muslims" never ever speak out and denounce these barbaric crimes commited against the innocent.
What a coincidence that bystanders just stood there and let it happen.
Only later were they "shocked".

Religion should be a factor here because I guarantee you the shock factor would not be there if the toddler had been an "infidel".

Your just spreading dis-info, you say all this like you know it's true, when you obviously don't.

Chopping a toddlers head off can take only a few seconds, yes there are videos that show it longer than that, but I've seen beheadings of animals in one slice, who knows how long it took? how do you know if they let it happen, were you there? did you see the exact situation? how could they predict he would do that?

And what's this "infidel" talk? What do you know about these people who were shocked? nothing!

You have so little information and you fill the "blanks" with your hatred.

Ignorance?

No offence, it's just what I see, someone filling in the blanks to their own agenda or views.

Peace.



[edit on 3-3-2008 by _Phoenix_]

reply to post by poet1b


It appears that your kind of violence is okay and theirs is not. You are intollerant of their moral values because they are different to yours. Obviously it is impossible to condone a murder like this. It's also difficult to condone a violent response to such an action. You would become what you despise.

If we are so intollerant of the strange behaviour of our human neighbours just a few thousand miles away, imagine how difficult it would be for us to co-exist with visiting life forms.

As has been pointed out, this was an unpremeditated act of lunacy by one guy. You are tarring a whole ethnic group with the same brush. Do you think Muslims reckon all Americans shoot groups of defenceless schoolchildren? Seems to be a fairly frequent occurrance these days, but anyone with half a brain would know that is not the case.

It's very easy to fuel hate between groups of people with strong cultural differences. Don't allow yourself to be led down that path. Think for yourself and perhaps wonder what the hell must have been going through that young man's mind to push him to such extremes. The whole family will be in shock. They need our understanding, not hate.

Myrdyn

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Please tell me where anyone in this thread has been defending this guy or calling for mercy?

Once, anywhere in all four pages?

He cut off a freaking babies' head, by all means, hang him high

On that I don't think you're going to find a lot of disagreement.