Uncle beheads toddler in supermarket

Originally posted by bigmankk46
This is a religion of peace and a man beheads a 15 month child, this man is sick and needs to have the same thing done to him in public

Please, explain to us what has religion got to do with this?

Oh wait....the answer is nothing.

So why did you bring it up?

Whether you believe what's written in the Bible or not, it says that Cain murdered his brother Able in a fit of jealousy. Incidently, it's also written in the Qu'ran. Humans have been capable of killing each other for a very long time. These days it seems Westerners shoot each other, whilst those from the East prefer decapitation.

If you wish to gauge the state of any civilisation, pick a savage act like this one and then see how everyone else responds to it. I reckon you'll learn more from the response.

This is ridiculous. I'm sure everyone here can agree that this is a terrible and hateful crime. Things like this happen in the world all the time, and I'm sure I've seen worse. Just the other day on some crime and justice channel I saw a story from quite a while back about how a 6 year old girl was abducted, and raped with the head of a hammer before being killed and thrown into the garbage.

Does it really matter where this happened or what race/religion/sex the people are? No, because these barbarisms happen all over in every country. This happened right here in the US, not in Saudi Arabia.

This was not a crime committed in the name of Islam. Anyone who thinks so is wrong, regardless of what points they have. That would be akin to me saying that because this Christian killed someone with a gunshot to the head, that every Christian is a gun wielding maniac.

Over in Saudi Arabia, crime and justice are as different as our cultures. We cannot say that either way is right as they have just as much a right to their own ways as we do to ours. Take the act for what it was, an isolated incident of someone who couldn't control their anger, and take refuge in the face that he will be punished the same way.

What the hell man?
Why are you bringing Islam into this?
It could have just as easily been a Chrisian or Jewish or Buddhist or Sikh or Hindu or any other person that could have snapped and done this.

reply to post by MGauntz


The sad thing is that this kind of incident isn't isolated. Many within this thread have referred to countless similar examples all over the world.

I think you kind of hit the nail on the head when you mentioned watching some crime and justice programme on TV and then described the horrific tragedy of a little girl who was raped and murdered with a hammer. These kind of crimes to humanity are being 'normalised' to some extent by over-exposure in the media.

I am not saying that we think it is 'normal' behaviour, but we are becoming used to it happening and are slowly accepting it as how the world is. By accepting it and doing nothing, we are actually encouraging it.

Granted, there's not much we can do about something that happens half-way around the world. However, there is an answer.

We have to stop our children from being de-sensitized by playing computer games with a violent content. Avoid movies that trivialize killing. Do something about the American gun culture. Many would rebel, because these days everyone wants a quick fix and a result without any effort.

It takes time, effort and patience to get along with people. Our kids are just not being taught that these days.

You might say I could do that, but what about everyone else? If you want to change the world, first change yourself.



[edit on 4-3-2008 by Myrdyn]

I feel really dirty right now...

because...

I'm not surprised. I don't expect these things to happen, I really don't. But when they do, I'm not shocked anymore.

I don't like being desensitized like this... ugh. I think I am though. I've already gotten 'used' to the idea that people torture/mutilate/rape/sacrifice children in specific circles... and that these circles run our society and government.

This is just random violence now. I know a child lost his head, but that's not as bad to me as the other things I know happen to children.

How sad is that? Sheesh.

[edit on 4-3-2008 by NewWorldOver]

It's not about just them being #ed up, or the American/English soldiers torturing dogs and prisoners!! Something is wrong with HUMANITY, because that part of us is vanishing.

All this war/hate/violence on media created by politicians have to eventually strip humanity from our source (spirit). Something is really wrong... with us... it's getting out of hand!!!

AS deporable as this act is, we know that it is individuals that commit heinous acts against their fellow man. It is not the instruments that they choose to carry out these acts ie, guns, knives,etc to blame .Their twisted minds have taken control of all that is in their world.

As hard as the sane among us try, we can not legislate morality, no matter what deity is preaching moral values, it is up to the individuals mind to process. Some fail.

YOU CAN NOT PROTECT SOMEONE FROM THEMSELVES.
A sick mind is a sick mind, no matter what religous beliefs the individual may hold true.
ITS ALL A MIND GAME.

Isn't this compassionate and merciful to the guilty?

It appears that we're starting to think like individuals about what's really happening here, instead of growling like a pack of angry hounds. Some very astute comments coming out.

One person can change the way the world is, if everyone thinks they can. Of course, the difficult part is that you all have to be pulling in the same direction.

It's perfectly natural to want retribution when you feel your human rights have been violated. But it's within our power to rise above nature and take control of our destiny. Think for yourself and treat those around you with the same respect that you would wish for yourself.

Feeling hatred because somebody else did a hateful thing has got to be dumb hasn't it? We're all far bigger than that.

I'm thinking of finding out how to send a message to that poor family. Just to let them know that some of us over here do care. There's not much else I can really do, but it might help in some small way.



[edit on 4-3-2008 by Myrdyn]

reply to post by Conspiracy Theorist


Ya Ya Ya !! believe me I don't care what religion you are I am sick and tired of watching what I say. Can't say this word or can't say that word cause you don't want to hurt the poor poopsies feelings. Those who act in this manner deserve zero respect! If you think I am wrong just look at the war! Killing there own, and the way they fight like cowards. How many of the Americans do you see strapping bombs to there kids and themselves in the hope of getting virgins (not that the will have a body to enjoy them with) show me a Christin a Jew or Scientologist who does this and I will tell them the same thing!!! FOAD Sick sick sick.

reply to post by xyankee


What you say is just a bit overzealous. Maybe your emotions regarding the situation have got the better of you, but maybe I can explain a few scenarios to you. I am no Muslim, nor do I associate with any organized religion due to my own beliefs.

Take a look at all of the college shootings in the US as of late. Those aren't done by Muslims. These crimes have been committed upon innocent people, by people who just snapped for one reason or another. This was no different.

When you see only black and white, your thoughts reflect that. Don't look at it as a Muslim committing a crime, but a person committing a crime, without labeling them as one group or another.

In reply to another post as well, yes, we have become normalized to this violence because we have decided there is nothing we can do about it. I totally agree with taking a stand and making changes. Hopefully it is something I can say I have tried to do by the time I die.

reply to post by xyankee


Please answer me this:

What makes your extreme views any better than theirs?

Middle eastern terrorists often call for the destruction of the west. Now here you are advocating the destruction of the ME.

CT

any comment on this xyankee?

5 month old infant starved and left to die by his parents

Thats Peoria, Illinois. Good ol' USA

I'll be waiting for your "destroy all americans" post.

CT

That is just... I mean , What kind of soul does that?... How could you even fathom!?!... Where does that type of HATE and ANGER come from? That is EVIL... I RARELY get affected on an emotional level by ANYTHING that happens in the world. But looking at that crime and the fact that my 6 month old son is lying in his crib sleeping strikes a chord with me. Horrific isn't even the word for a crime like this... In Public!?!.... What I don't understand is Why a Marine can toss a puppy off of a cliff and it makes the 11 o'clock news. (not that I condone that, I have 2 dogs)... what I'm trying to convey is how is that News worthy and this story isn't.

Sorry if you do not like my opinion on this incident, but my opinion remains that this particular crime is something that reflects on Muslim culture, not necessarily the religion, but the culture in general.

This is a crime that was carried out purely out of spite, killing a child in front of his mother by beheading in a public manner, and seems to be typical of the problems of the Muslim culture.

Sure, here in the West, many horrific crime are committed that can easily be associated as typical to western culture, and people around the world are usually quick to make note of this.

What is wrong with pointing out that this particular crime is of the type that one can easily associate to the Muslim culture. Is it wrong to point this out, and feel that the Muslim world should consider how this reflects on their culture?

Finally an update

The grandfather of a 15-month-old baby allegedly decapitated by his uncle stands in shock at his grandson's death.

The man reportedly killed the child after an argument with his sister and brother-in-law.

"He was doing it to get back at his brother-in-law who was always threatening to take the child away from his sister," said Fatany, a contributor to the Arab News.

Something else I find disturbing about the culture. (also from the same article)

In December 2008 a Saudi Arabian rape victim was charged with jail time and 200 lashes after being found in a car with a man to whom she was not related - a verdict that prompted international outrage from Human Rights Watch and other foreign observers

Fawza Falih, a Saudi woman, is currently awaiting execution after being found guilty of witchcraft in 2005.

Dozens of Saudi men were arrested last month for allegedly flirting with women in front of a shopping mall in Mecca.

In January, a woman was arrested after having a Starbucks coffee with a male business colleague.

Oh, my!
What in the hell, was this dude thinking?
...and he is still alive?

GRANTED, I would not have been one of the people just sitting around watching this kind of thing happen!

I would have done something harsh!

He needs to suffer for what he has done, other than the beheading!

Originally posted by xyankee
show me a Christin a Jew or Scientologist who does this and I will tell them the same thing!!! FOAD Sick sick sick.

Please read....
This post
..because its obvious you haven't.

I await your rant against the people who did those things, based on their religions.

Originally posted by Alxandro
Something else I find disturbing about the culture. (also from the same article)

A question.

Are you saying that beheading little children is part of their culture?

[edit on 5-3-2008 by yanchek]