Soon U.S. Citizens Must Ask for Government Permission to Fly or Travel

reply to post by marg6043


I'm sure we're heading that route. But then, that's why you keep horses.

I can conceivably see that my freedoms are going to be shrunk all around me. But I will not go through the indignity of being treated like a criminal when I am not one. My last flight was in 2007 and I endured that mistreatment as my step-father had to undergo a cancer surgery and I went to be with my mother to help her out.

Other than that circumstance, I don't fly. -- and even then, I fought against my mother that I would prefer to drive. The surgery timeline however prevented that argument to hold. I drive. If in the future they require border checks in a car, I'll simply not leave the state by car. Georgia passed a law where you can't smoke even in your car.. I now no longer drive to Florida via Georgia. *shrugs* Makes no difference to me if you get my point with that. I simply will not support or be subjected to these things. Even if that means my little "free" world shrinks down to just my little 10-acres of land, so be it.

TN passed a law for no more smoking in the restuarants. It saves me a fortune from eating out. In one sick way, they're actually doing me a favor with all of this. They're driving me right back to the roots where I came from, back to a lifestyle that my grandparents lived by and that I should never have abandoned, and they're giving me the firm determination to draw my line in the sand.

reply to post by Apsaroke


I live in Ga andI believe that if your license plate is from another state and you are just driving across the state it doesn't apply to you.

Yes life is getting harder and harder in the nation of the free.

Originally posted by marg6043
reply to post by Apsaroke

 

I live in Ga andI believe that if your license plate is from another state and you are just driving across the state it doesn't apply to you.

Yes life is getting harder and harder in the nation of the free.

I still won't drive through the state. It's the principle, ya know?

The only thing that this government responds to is economic pressure. The problem is that too many people would rather keep their conveniences than their freedoms.

NOPE sorry not necessary

next

the best way to implement the infrastructure of a police state is to do it in a piece by piece way, laying the ground work as well as the flexibility of the law or our right ( or lack their of)

the shadow gov't has infiltrated and gutted this country and many many others, when the finance led economy finishes it's slow motion crash, all these little laws and harmless minor inconveniences will make the puzzle clear "fascist new world order" it already is run by multi-nationals, investment banks, intelligence agency's and mafia types, when the economy falls ; the bread , circus's , and illusion of prosperity may as well. and then your freedoms. unless of course you can live off the grid and sustain yourself w food freshwater and electricity.

and people's unwillingness to believe this is true or possible perpetuated the plan, which seems to be well well past the points of a large drop in the standard of living for many americans as well as other's through out the world.

and people don't get it. it is kind of like the line from the movie dejavu

Washington: suppose you had to tell someone something very important but you know they would never believe you, what would u do?

Actress: I would try

it is very possible to accept these things as distinct possibilties, even as likely and still lead quite the "normal" life. While making preparations for a plan B.

[edit on 1-3-2008 by cpdaman]

I REALLY don't understand why the US Federal Government feels it has to come up with this "Travel Document" idea to verify who you are and why they feel like you should have to get one every time you want to fly?

Isn't a Passport used to verify who you are internationally?

Passports

A passport is an internationally recognized travel document that verifies the identity and nationality of the bearer. A valid U.S. passport is required to enter and leave most foreign countries. Only the U.S. Department of State has the authority to grant, issue or verify United States passports.

They are suppose to be using this new "Travel Document" to verify a persons identity. (Or, should I say, ... at least that is what they are telling us)

All they have to do is to require everybody who wants to fly to have a valid Passport to verify their identity!

No having to get a "Travel Document" for every flight taken then.

[edit on 1/3/08 by Keyhole]

reply to post by cpdaman

the best way to implement the infrastructure of a police state is to do it in a piece by piece way, laying the ground work as well as the flexibility of the law or our right ( or lack their of)

Quite correct. Now "marg" thinks out-of-state drivers are exempt, but let's go ahead and use that as an example anyway.

I am SHOCKED that Southern states are jumping on the non-smoker bandwagon. This is honestly the first time I have heard about it. It's been a while since I've travelled out of state very far, but I remember enjoying the greater sense of freedom down south, and in particular the lax smoking laws. Looks like that's gone now.

Anyway, back to the example. So here I am, driving to Florida from NY, and having a butt on my way through Georgia. We're still allowed to smoke in the car here in NY (unless you have kids in the car in some counties), so I would never expect such a law to be in place down south. So now I'm getting pulled over and I don't even know why. (Again, assuming there is not an out-of-state exemption.) But this really is the point of all these laws. To keep them all so jumbled up in red-tape that no one knows their rights, or that they have done something illegal. This gives the police the ultimate power to render your attempts to avoid them useless. And this is exactly the way they want it. Any reason, just for them to snoop into your privacy.

In fact, I'll bet there's some clause in Georgia law that sais they can stop you if your're registered out of state, but not write you.



[edit on 3/1/0808 by jackinthebox]

This is really no different information, it is just formatted differently for quicker reference. The world is now using computers. I fly on a regular basis and I just don’t understand why people don’t want to feel as safe as possible. Has anyone else got better ideas? People are quick to complain about any tool law enforcement tries to use (profiling, visual image databases, information databases, etc) but rarely have any useful suggestions.

PS- I’m really tired of seeing Ben Franklin’s quote used so often to support preventing any change in security procedures. He also owned slaves his entire life & farted in public.

reply to post by Jake the Dog Man


I guess you will have no problem when the New American Gestapo, I mean the Home land oppression start stamping your forehead with a bar code for easier access

Do you think that sounds better?

Originally posted by Jake the Dog Man
I fly on a regular basis and I just don’t understand why people don’t want to feel as safe as possible. Has anyone else got better ideas?

Without trying to be rude about it, but yeah.. I have an idea:

Have people living in the United States realize that they live in a free society and with that priviledge comes great risk to one's safety -- however the risk to one's safety is well worth the freedoms! If you want a government enforced sense of safety, you're in the wrong country.

reply to post by Jake the Dog Man

I fly on a regular basis and I just don’t understand why people don’t want to feel as safe as possible.

I would feel a lot safer knowing that my own government doesn't assume I am a terrorist. What are they hiding that would make them so scared of their own people? I would feel safer with my rights intact.

Has anyone else got better ideas?

Yup. Stop the terrorists at the borders, not go on a wild-goose chase after they already got in.

People are quick to complain about any tool law enforcement tries to use (profiling, visual image databases, information databases, etc) but rarely have any useful suggestions.

How about every citizen start exercising their right to bear arms? Then we won't even need the police. Someone tries to carjack you, they get a bullet. Plain and simple.



[edit on 3/1/0808 by jackinthebox]

Originally posted by jackinthebox
Soon you'll have to get clearance to drive your car out of state I'll bet. Then we will really know that none of this had anything to do with our "safety."

[edit on 3/1/0808 by jackinthebox]

Yes, this will be a part of the NAFTA agreements

I will admit that airport security is screwed up having seen them screen an old lady in a wheel chair and then my dad and not me who is 6 foot man in good shape or the two mid-eastern looking guys right behind me. We will just have to see what this ends up being rather than taking some news story's word. One thing I do no is that if it slows down traffic too much then the airlines wont have it as it will cost them more money that they have already lost.

The 9/11 hijackers obtained 13 driver’s licenses (two of which were duplicates) and 21 USA or state-issued identification cards (usually used for showing residence in the U.S. or a state).
• The driver’s licenses themselves were all legal, that is, they were not forged.

Driver's licenses won't do much to catch terrorists. Besides, when we have thousands of miles of unguarded borders, where the terrorists can cross at will, why should they worry about flying. We're spending time trying to shut the barn door, but the entire back side of the barn in wide open.

Making dumb regulations like this make them feel like they're doing something to stop terrorism.

Jack-in-the-box is right on - we're all frogs in a pot of water, and the heat is being turned up very slowly.
Day by day your rights are being taken away, so slowly that you don't see the bigger picture.
Bread and Circuses. That's what we're given. The joke they call the primaries and the "Presidential Election" is more of the bread and circuses. Did YOU get to choose who got this far? Not really. The MSM and those that counted the votes did. Look at Ron Paul- I know many of you support him, as I do, but he got very little press coverage, and the average "Joe" on the street never even heard of him, thanks to the MSM.

Billary versus Obama- There isn't a hill of beans of difference between them, and there really is very little difference between them and McCain. The war, you say? Think again. No matter which one of them gets elected, the Military-Industrial complex will make sure that nothing changes.
Change? Give me a break- it's more of the SAME.
But don't worry about flying. With the way gasoline and jet fuel is going price-wise, nobody will be able to afford to fly OR drive soon, so what's the big deal.
Will someone please turn the heat on the pot down. It's getting AWFULLY HOT IN HERE.
PEACE.

Beats filling it out on the plane!

This is probably only for international flights and I see no problem with filling it in in the terminal, this is a step up in convenience if you ask me, what if you tried to enter another country with stuff you aren't supposed to have (and have it declared) and you get stuck in the airport because of it and get sent back? that would suck right? that's why you have to fill this stuff out now IN the airport, it has nothing to do with permission, it's just advanced declaration.

What can you expect? The government stages a false flag, and you sheeple go crying to Lord Bush to rip apart the constitution "for your protection". You failed to open your eyes in time, and now, welcome to the United States Communist Dictatorship!

Originally posted by GrOuNd_ZeRo

This is probably only for international flights

From the news article. (also the second paragraph of the first post of this thread)

SOURCE

The U.S. government already requires international passengers to participate in the Advanced Passenger Information System, providing their full name, gender, date of birth, nationality, country of residence, and travel document type and number to the TSA before boarding. Under the proposed Secure Flight Program, this procedure would also be required on domestic flights.

[edit on 1/3/08 by Keyhole]

reply to post by thetruth777

You REALLY believe that? Then I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you.
The direction that our government goes in, frequently goes against public opinion.
Look at the Iraq war. 70% of the American Public believes that the war was a mistake. So they elected democrats in the last mid-term election, who promised to end the war. I don't see it ending? I didn't see any vote to end it, did you?
The US is not a democracy, it is a republic. We elect a bunch of liars who tell us they will represent us, then they go out and do whatever they want. Even when we then vote them out, the new bunch comes in and does the same thing.
Besides, they ALSO COUNT the votes. Look at our Presidential "Election" in 2000. Need I say more?
How about the New Hampshire primary? An entire family voted for Ron Paul in a certain district, and when the results were published, Ron Paul had- you guessed it- ZERO votes in that district.
I could go on and on- but suffice it to say, that as Stalin once said:
"It doesn't matter WHO VOTES, but WHO COUNTS the VOTES."
But not to worry- when the NWO takes complete control, you'll be in the same boat, so enjoy your illusion of "freedom" while you think you've got it. No one is safe from the NWO and the International Bankers, who want it ALL.

reply to post by dgtempe
i agree utter insanity

barf:

I have two words... end times.

A 1999 book by Richard Belzer describes FEMA as the secret government, having the power to declare a national state of emergency giving them the right to take control over all the nations transportation including all our roadways if they so deem necessary. It sounds like Homeland Security wants to get themselves a little piece of that too.