Soon U.S. Citizens Must Ask for Government Permission to Fly or Travel

reply to post by cavscout


It has been that way since the beginning of commercial air travel in the U.S. You hand them your ID and your money and they give you a ticket after they scan your licences through a database that will say if you are on the no fly list or not. Its the same thing as before.

reply to post by Sky watcher


No, I am sorry but you cant back that up.

I have flown without giving any picture ID and without being run through a government database.

Originally posted by NWOmaskedman
Soon it was passed on augest 23rd went into effect feb 13. its been done.

If that's true then this entire article is complete and utter rubbish. I flew to Boston and back last week and I didn't have to do anything beyond what I've done in the past. No travel papers, no additional information... just had to present my driver's license and my boarding pass like every other time.

reply to post by cavscout


Who is throwing hate around? I just thought his coments were kinda childish thats all.

reply to post by Sky watcher

Oh should someone be afraid of getting banned for speaking their mind? One should not be so weak minded.

Okay, back in the pot there little froggy.

Something that people needs to be aware off is that we have an administration with a president that won in his first term by dubious ways.

Then right after we got 911, then he started a line of laws, regulations, bills, legislations and agencies that rather than addressing the 911 issues seems to be attacking and controlling the same people that he swore to help.

No only that but during this time after his second appointment due to 911 has plunged our nation into war, spending deficit and favoritism to private interest.

If this is not a agenda then I wonder what can be.

Homeland security is the new version of the Nazi Gestapo but this time they are making sure than rather to look like targeting the regular citizens the propaganda is all about for the good of the nation.

This is easier to sell to the patriots of America, you do not need to step off the US to see where is the worst terrorist of this nation, because is here in our own back yard making life for Americans a lot harder to live.

Terrorism is terrorism and we all know how is played around the world, but Fascism and Oppression goes hand in hand.




[edit on 1-3-2008 by marg6043]

reply to post by Keyhole



Ok I'm passing this one off to Senator Harry Reid tonight. This is crap. Write your congressman and get this stopped.

reply to post by cavscout


Now that is scary. We are all safer for what they do about air travel and this should have been in place since the 70s where their were more hi-jackings. You need a licence to drive so big deal you need to show it before you board someones million dollar aircaft with lots of other people who are wanting to feel safe.

Originally posted by cavscout
reply to post by Sky watcher

 

No, I am sorry but you cant back that up.

I have flown without giving any picture ID and without being run through a government database.

The passage of the law and acquiring the contract is significantly faster than the implementation. Give it time and you'll begin to see the delays. It's also possible that the speed in which the data returns will be so fast that it does not introduce delays. Ever see how quickly your check gets an approval code at a retailer? It's truly impressive stuff!

But I'll agree with another poster. Names have not always been bumped up against a federal database and THAT is where the real issue is coming in. I don't mind proving I am who I am, but I do mind having to have my info bumped up against a database to "prove" my innocence and intentions about wanting to board that plane. Just like I was horribly ticked off when I flew in early '07 and had to take my boots off. Of course, I was the only in line that was peeved, the sheeple all embraced it wholeheartedly.

Also.. what happens when there are data errors (and there will be)? Your name matches a name on the list and you miss your flight becuase you're busy proving you're innocent and that you're not the person on the list? Again...this country has flipped itself on its head...you're now in the position of proving your innocence... complete bunk if you ask me.

reply to post by jackinthebox


Now who should be worried me or you with the one liner? You make me laugh and I needed that. Its a conspiracy, Pull out the tin hats and get ready for war lol.

reply to post by Sky watcher

Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both. -Benjamin Franklin

I'm not afraid of terrorists, so don't go shredding up the Constitution on my account.

Originally posted by Sky watcher
reply to post by cavscout

 

Now that is scary. We are all safer for what they do about air travel and this should have been in place since the 70s where their were more hi-jackings. You need a licence to drive so big deal you need to show it before you board someones million dollar aircaft with lots of other people who are wanting to feel safe.

People have a license to drive to certify that they know the rules of the road and are competent to drive. I don't need my name bumped against a federal database to show that I am competent to sit my butt in a chair for a flight. I'm not flying the plane.

If people are that concerned about their safety while flying, they should not fly. Break it down.. who is truly the paranoid people? those seeing their rights being stripped away or those handing over their rigths? it's not me who pictures everyone standing in line with me as a terrorist or someone packing explosives. I couldn't care less if you take your shoes off. If you do end up being someone packing explosives and takes the plane down.. well.. I'll never know it, now will I?

Bad things happen in this world by bad people. It's a fact of life. But the one thing you don't do is give up your individual rights to have some false sense of security.

Originally posted by cavscout
reply to post by Sky watcher

 

No, I am sorry but you cant back that up.

I have flown without giving any picture ID and without being run through a government database.

Reno-Tahoe Airport security is lame. I could have gotten a garbage bag of every drug known to man on to the plane and gone anywhere with it. Las Vegas is even worse. But none of this means our travel should be restricted to the point of destroying the airline industry and further damaging the economy. None of this sounds well thought out. I'm going to research this a bit more, but if it turns out to be the case, I'm not wasting time in sending a metric assload of mail to every political figure in Nevada.

reply to post by Apsaroke

Also.. what happens when there are data errors (and there will be)? Your name matches a name on the list and you miss your flight becuase you're busy proving you're innocent and that you're not the person on the list? Again...this country has flipped itself on its head...you're now in the position of proving your innocence... complete bunk if you ask me.

Thousands of black voters in Florida were denied their right to vote because of data errors. Data errors that put this President in office.

Here is another example of errors at the Federal level:

Government records incorrectly kill off thousands, and there's no easy fix

Originally posted by Sky watcher
reply to post by Pellevoisin

 

Don't tell us Americans what to do!! Its our country and we don't need advise from you on how to run it.

Interesting!

How do you then expect other countries to take YOUR advice?

Oh, I see, by the point of the gun!

Isn't that what's called terrorism?

reply to post by jackinthebox


Great link, jack, and completely supports my point. It never ceases to amaze me that people are so willing to place their "safety" in the hands of the most incompetent institution we have ever had - the federal government.

I'd rather take my chances, keep my freedoms, and be responsible for my own safety.

It's called accountability, folks. be accountable for yourself. if you're standing in line and see someone who really freaks you out, get out of line and don't take the flight. If it gives you a warm fuzzy feeling, go report the person. But now, becuase of people who refuse to be accountable for themselves, I now have to take my shoes off and have my name bumped up against a database. Yes, I resent that, and I resent those who support that I should have to do those things.

I have heard alot of supportes to these rights being taken away as saying things like "you're not a real american" if you don't support things like The Patriot Act.. well, I'm here to tell you straight up... A REAL American doesn't give up their individual freedoms without a fight regardless of the "safety" they may get in exchange for it. A REAL Americna understand that with freedom comes risk and they are ready to accept it and die for it -- even at the hands of a terrorist hiding explosives in their shoes.

reply to post by jackinthebox


Here's another example of mistaken identity of any average Joe.

How a Treasury Department Watchlist Ensnares Everyday Consumers as Terrorist

reply to post by Apsaroke


Well say, well say, but as you know very soon when the New American Gestapo, I mean Home land of the oppression, get their way we will have to stop at the states line for the check points to show our papers also.

So I guess that will be covered if you are to travel by private or public transportation on the road.

Originally posted by Sky watcher
You need a licence to drive so big deal you need to show it before you board someones million dollar aircaft with lots of other people who are wanting to feel
safe.

I don't have to get a new Drivers License every time I decide to go for a drive. Yet!

Every flight you take requires its own "Travel Document".

It's not like a Drivers License that has to be re-newed every four years or whatever.

A separate "Travel Document" must be obtained for every flight you want to board. From what I understand, if you had a layover somewhere, and had to catch another flight to get to your destination, you would need another "Travel Document" for that flight.

[edit on 1/3/08 by Keyhole]

reply to post by khunmoon


Thanks for the link. Good info, that was a sign of things to come. It is beyond me how some people really just can't see the pattern that has been emerging, particulalry in the past few years.