The Sorcery Conspiracy

This is a long thread and I am sure some one has made this point along its length but I would like to relate how legal medicine has affected me and what I believe is needed to safeguard the unconscious patient.

Before I was born my mother had had several miscarriages. In the 1940s a drug was falsely[color=#6600CC]# determined to increase the viability of a pregnancy for women with problems that lead to miscarriage. The drug Diethylstilbestrol or DES for short

In the United States, an estimated 5-10 million persons were exposed to DES during 1941-1971, including women who were prescribed DES while pregnant and the female and male children born of these pregnancies.

The result: Associated health problems

Men exposed to DES before birth (in the womb), known as DES Sons, are at an increased risk for non-cancerous epididymal cysts and auto-immune disorders.[citation needed] Diethylstilbestrol can also cause feminisation of the male foetus, as DES undergoes metabolic epoxidation, and the epoxide product has affinity towards the estrogen receptors.[citation needed] In some cases there are sons with only one testis or both abdominal. In 2002, a study indicated that maternal usage of DES resulted in a 20-fold increase in prevalence of hypospadias in their sons[22] although a followup study showed the risk, though present, to be much lesser. [23]

Later I was found to be legally blind with two lazy eyes and rather severe nearsightedness I also had fingernails and epithelial abnormalities growing out if my chest. In the following 7 years I underwent 1 surgery on my chest and 2 eye surgeries. Each time I was fully anesthetized.

I have come to believe that when ever a person is rendered uncontentious with strong drugs the Psyche is vulnerable to influences that modern science is unaware of or barely aware of. I also believe that more should be done to safeguard the mind/spirit of persons under anesthesia.

I woke up from the anesthesia twice during the second eye surgery. And years later, when I was put under to remove a black mole, I riped the restraint of and had an out of body experience when the doctor was speaking About the bad news that the mole was precancerous and worse than expected.

So far as I know the mole was successfully removed but it was a long surgery and I was changed by it. Afterwards, I met two children in the ward late at knight. They seemed nice enough and they took me to see their room. They had a bunk bed? The girl showed me she had a runny nose but then it got strange as she produced copious amounts of mucus. They both corner me and I am very frightened... It all gets very foggy then and I am in the hall way with a nurse and there are no children. I was sleep walking.

The next morning I am taken to a room with a large stainless steal tub where I am given a bath with a strong disinfectant. One of the Sisters (catholic) asks me a bunch of questions.

Those two children are still with me. The boy likes to play word games and repeats what I say playfully and the girl likes muscle men and the show Super Nanny. Of course, I may just be nuts, you know schizoid, but in any case I believe that some of the knowledge about the inner worlds that shaman have accrued over the centuries may be of value in situations when a person has to be rendered unconscious.

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I also feel that DES effects the way the fetal brain develops.
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Thanks for the post. Very interesting story. I know the thread is long so I went back and found this post for you to check out.

It is Yeshua's teaching on a man being "empty" and evil spirits entering his body. Please read that post and let me know what you think.

Thanks!

reply to post by Bigwhammy


I just found this thread and have not read every post. But I agree with your opening post 100%. I am a Christian and have been for the last 40 years. Throughout most of that time I was also a hardcore pot head. I thought it brought me closer to God but all it did was keep me from fulfilling my God given potential. I watch a lot of Christian TV and I have heard this teaching about sorcery referring to drug use twice lately on different programs so the message is starting to get out. As far as alcohol use, yes Jesus drank wine but the Bible over and over states how bad being a drunkard is and that there will be unwanted consequences. I've never met a mood altering pill I didn't like either so its all dangerous to our spiritual health. And like you I believe there is a valid medical use for psychiatric medications but their use must be carefully monitored because we addicts can be pretty sneaky.

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Thank you so much for your testimony. You don't know how good it is to hear from someone who can relate. People do not like it when you mess with their sin, Especially if they have been telling themselves that God approves of it. I have taken some heat over his thread for that reason. But people like you remind me that it is worth it to get the word out.

Originally posted by Bigwhammy
reply to post by MsSmartypants

 

...People do not like it when you mess with their sin, Especially if they have been telling themselves that God approves of it...

I think a better way to put that, is people don't like it when other people tell them that what they do is wrong.

How would you feel if I said, you are wrong! What you believe in is false. And then pieced together "evidence" that what I said was "true". Or have we forgotten my "Hero Pattern" thread? Seems that most have, as it dwindles to oblivion. Again I cry conspiracy

Sorcery/Pharmacy it is all an interpretation. No one knows the real truth behind the writings, well no one that is alive. Because the people who wrote the original are all in hell (aka grave)

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Why does the word sin affect you if you don't believe?
I am talking to Christians. You don't believe the Bible right?

It was awesome the way you proved Jesus predicted the fall of Rome 35 years ahead of time. That was a good thread I remember



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I am a believer in Jesus. I call him Lord.
I do not believe in religion.
That said, I do know that recreational drugs leave the user vulnerable. I am sipping vodka even now as I type. I am not perfect. I am inhabited and perhaps a risk. You might consider me evil or under evil influence. Perhaps you are right. I pray to the One true GOD. He is the Father of my Lord. But I also believe that the Mother exists and that She is not the enemy of the Father or the Son.

When was the last time you saw reference to subliminal in popular media. We are all very vulnerable to this type of sorcery. I pray often for Gods protected from such programing. The Lord is with me. The spirit of truth is my core.

Sorcery, Science, the salesmen... Musical incantations... Ever since my acceptances of the Word of Truth, I have not listened to music in the same way . I distrust science, as knowledge practiced without wisdom.

But I am glad that I have experienced altered states of reality. I only wish that I had had the guidance of a shaman before I went forth. I feel that the meat of the truth is that Mother and Father are not enemies, but that humankind is bound to another sentient race. That we are used by them as we use bee's and yeast and dogs. This other race(s) is/are just as much children of Mother and Father as are we. This belief in no way weakens my belief in my Lord.
I'll stop now in case I am overstepping the boundaries here. If so I apologize.

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Interesting post and perspective. Brother I never have claimed to be perfect and I am not here to judge anyone. My intention was strictly to get the true meaning of Bible out.

I tell people I struggle with sin everyday in some form. I also say if you're not struggling with sin the chances are you are sold out to evil. Because you do not coast up hill. It is hard. I know it. I'm glad you have a faith that works for you. I will send you a u2u about someone I know that might help you with those "voices" or spirits.

Thanks again for the post.

reply to post by Bigwhammy
I did not mean to say you were perfect or acting that way.
The struggle is a way of life. It is the constant responsibility to make every choice according to the truth. This is what it means to bear the light of truth(cross).

We are that that is. We take all that has been and guide it into that that will be. Whether we believe in God or not every choice we make creates the future for all of us.

Thank you for this thread and this truth. Sorcery is a word with many connotation in modern times. I say beware the many faces of Science, Be aware of the falsehoods in technology and media. Beware the corporation and greed for greeds sake.

Blessings
Chuck


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Originally posted by Bigwhammy
Why does the word sin affect you if you don't believe?

It isn't the word that is bothering me, actually none of it is really bothering me. Just trying to shed some light on why it may be bothering others in the thread.

Originally posted by Bigwhammy
I am talking to Christians.1* You don't believe the Bible right?2*

1- I am answering as a non-Christian, which is allowed by my interpretation of the T&C.

2. Correct, I do not believe the Bible is 100% truth. Allegory usually isn't.

Originally posted by Bigwhammy
It was awesome the way you proved Jesus predicted the fall of Rome 35 years ahead of time. That was a good thread I remember

I proved that someone said Jesus said that, not that he actually predicted it. Just didn't want other readers of this thread to get the wrong impressions.

I am very sorry to post this here but I am not permitted to reply to U2Us

Thank you Bigwhammy for you private communications I can not reply to them.

I have tried to post to "ATS Admin" that I need help with Notifications but it appears that I am not permitted to do so.

I am not receiving notifications of posts to threads I have subscribed to and or U2Us I have received. Please advise.
Note: I have checked my Gmail spam folder.

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BIG WHAMMY


I read the first sentence on this post and couldnt help but ask a question. I am not a Christian or any religion. Is the Christian religions bible not a compilation of storys that where picked and chosen to be in the bible. Was there not many stories suppresed from the bible because they would have been contradictory.

Certain products when used in large quantities can be harmful to the body,products such as,alcohol,opium,marijuana,tobacco etc.Yet it must also be remembered that these things also have medicinal purposes.In the western society of today this has been forgotten because people care too much for the uplifting effect these drugs can have rather than the help they can give us.


Obviously,there is also the dark side to nature's gifts.Herbs and plants can also be used to harm people in the form of such things as poisons.(those that kill and those that juts cause illness.)


The cultures/tribes that still use drugs to hallucinate do not abuse it.The drug is an eccential part of life and is used only by those who have knowledge and wisdom.Some would call these people's Shamans,others,a Prophet.



When people talk of things they don't understand,or things they fear, they will usually "demonize" it,the Catholic Church did a great job of this concerning witchcraft.In more recent times Hollywood hasn't helped matters.

Voodoo,Witchcraft,Magic,Sorcery;anything connected with nature and the spirit world is seen as Evil,yet this just isn't true!
These beliefs are still stuck with the stigma forced on to them by the Catholic faith,and they have the added problem that few people in todays enlightened world truly understand what these things mean.


If you believe in something you see it as good.If you don't you see it as something wicked.

Jesus turned water into wine.
Magic or Divine Insperation?

For those that believe and understand his power was Divine.Obviously it is the opposite for those who don't understand,and for those that fear.


A good example is when scientists were doing tests and experiments with electricity in the 18th century;many people were terrified and thought that these men were communing with the Devil! But now look where we are in the world,imagine how different life would be if those scientists had been condemned for Devil worship!



Another area demonized by the Catholic faith and forever tainted is Alchemy.Yet the word alchemy derives from the same Latin word for chemistry!
In the early days there was no difference between the 2,it was all about experiments to help us understand the world around us.But of course the church's fear stepped in and the whole process went underground and the story of turning base metal into gold was born.It was the cover scientists used so they would not be burnt at the stake by the righteous god-fearing folk.


The Bible may not be clear on the matter of sorcery,witchcraft,magic,etc,but history should help fill you in.

There is a power,it is not good,it is not evil;it just is.
But the people who use it,it is they who are either evil or good.

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The answer is here

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Its not just that they have some contradictions in (as the books that are still in the Bible also have some),but they also contain things like,women playing a bigger part in the teaching and spreading of the words of Jesus,more about Adam & Eve,a counterpart of God,the Goddess Sophia,(wisdom) Jesus laughing and dancing,Jesus giving a fuller account of the Creation,etc.They also contain several more gospels,acts and epistles.

You may also be interested to know that the Bible contains the names of almost 40 books that seem to have been lost to us for all time.


The link below has all the books that were in the Bible right up until the 17th century,the Gnostic Texts,the Dead Sea Scrolls and several others.
The other link gives a brief history of the books of the Bible.










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reply to post by Bigwhammy


Sorcery can be done by anyone or any group. It could be done by friend, family or neighbor. It could be done by co-worker, etc., etc. They can bug anyone, any place at any time. In the same way Herod, who wanted Jesus dead, used the Wise Men to find him. It was a cunning lie when Herod said he wanted to worship Jesus.

I said this before, the USA and the world system functions and relies on sorcery. It is even in the churches and synagogues. There is no place in this present time where it can not be found. John the Baptist had to go to the wilderness in his day. Today, there is no place to go.

You see it as one thing, the reality is it comes in many forms. This knowledge and understanding is what can get a person killed, stalked and or harrassed. It is a part of the "mark of the beast".

reply to post by Siren


Interesting... Do you think the elites that run the world have sorcerers that suppress people spiritually so they use drugs?
Do you think there is a conspiracy to keep people doped up, On prescriptions - illegal drugs - or alcohol?

Originally posted by Bigwhammy


OK this is real important. I have been getting in debate after debate over what sorcery is.. and why am I saying drug use is sorcerery.
I hop it is clear now that I am saying sorcerery was the wrong word to use for the Greek pharmikia . Pharmikia should read drug use. The verse I used form Rev. 9:21

Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts.

Should read

Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their drug use, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts.

In the first version the word sorceries is actually pharmikia in the Greek.

So one word means drug use -pharmikia

The other magic arts -mageuo

Our English translations do not make the distinction. We have two different Greek words both translated as sorcery. Hence my heartaches in trying to get my message across.

I think we are on the right track now. The Pharms and dealers are the mageuo that subject the people to their pharmikia.

Yes, let's get back to the main reason for this thread. I'll also add from (Revelation 18:23)
And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived.

Now this is an eye opener. What is stated as truth here is that by thy pharmaceuticals all nations were deceived! Yes because the pharma industry is HUGE, so huge that even after a disaster they are most ready to ship in food, clothing, and MEDICINES. But guess what....it falls!

Read here: (Revelation 18:4)
And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.

The plea is to come out before she receives double for what she has done to nations. Here is what happens when she falls:
(Revelation 18:2)
And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.

OMG, there is no need to say anything more. Someone please clarify this so I know we're all on the same page.

Originally posted by Bigwhammy
reply to post by Siren

 

Interesting... Do you think the elites that run the world have sorcerers that suppress people spiritually so they use drugs?
Do you think there is a conspiracy to keep people doped up, On prescriptions - illegal drugs - or alcohol?

I do. *raises hand* But we don't need to take our word on it, let's look again at His Word. I repeat:

(Revelation 18:23).......for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries (medicines) were all nations deceived. God is trying to tell us all something. He says blessed are those that read...
AND
(rev 18: 11) And the merchants (same as verse 23) of the earth shall weep and mourn over her (babylon) for no manbuyeth their merchandise any more. There's that infamous word "buy" that appears also in regards to the mark of the beast.

So in regards to her falling. Why would the merchants be weeping and mourning over her do you think? I think because their production/industry fails, thus men no longer or they begin to stop purchasing the stuff that babylon is filled with. Remember too that, medicines is just one of the many things she has in her that deceives people AWAY from God.

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Actual a very good question. this is a website that should help:

bible.crosswalk.com...§ion=0&language_one=en&version_one=hnv&language_two=en&version_two=web&new=1&oq=sorcer y I do not believe sorcery is speaking of drug use at all. Pure and simple
magic, sacrifices, study of witchcraft, fortune telling etc. is what is meant by sorcery.