Ronald Weinland (nothing yet...)

reply to post by doctorex


What about his comment on being a false prophet by pentacost if nothing happened by then? Pentacost has come and gone my friend.

[I]reply to post by doctorex[/I]

The signs are there

Pray tell, what would these be? (you know, the PHYSICAL signs that RW said in his office AS ONE OF THE TWO WITNESSES)

Can you post a single physical sign that RW said would come, that has a happened?

We already saw, with the own chart you posted, that the weather sign proved nothing. Also the earthquake charts proved nothing has increased, but has stayed the same, and were slightly under.

Why on earth would you still support him? You say it's too early? How utterly ridiculous

His own words condemn him...

""If by Pentecost it is not powerfully and abundantly clear that there has been a great deal of destruction that will clearly encompass a third of all plant life in the US and at least the clear results of this mingled with blood the death of very much animal life and the beginning of large numbers of human life then I will stop preaching. Just so all the critics and everyone out there will understand. I am true to my word in these things. OK? And for all the critics if by the end of July and most likely around Pentecost if nothing has clearly caused great destruction and death I will make it very clear that I was a false prophet. I will do exactly what I said I would do on all those interviews that I have held. To do less. Well. Would be quite insane.".

By his own mouth, he has stated nothing has happened, therefore by his own definition : he is insane.

You are waiting on the 2nd sign? Why on earth would you do that if the 1st Trumpet sign still hasn't happened? Not only has it not happened, but all the flooding that some states have had, are going to prevent it from happening.

I'm reminded of the joke, where a man is in his house, and the whole neighbor hood is getting flooded.
A firetruck comes by, and calls out to him, he waves them on, he said he prayed to God and that God would deliver him.
The roads get flooded, a boat drive by, he waves them on telling them that God would deliver him
He climbs onto the roof, a helicopter flies over, he waves them on telling them God would deliver him

Finally he drowns.

In heaven, he asks God why didn't he answer his prayer...

God replies, I sent a fire truck, a boat and a helicopter, why didn't you get on one???

This is the impression I get with followers of RW, all the physical signs that have not been fulfilled...should raise alert flags in the mind.


If you must wait till the bombs don't show either, than really it's a hopeless case for many. I don't think for all though. But a lot will probably stick to him till the 3 1/2 year are ended, and then when Christ himself does not return, maybe, maybe then they will realize that they should have recognized the fire trucks, boats, and helicopters that God sent to deliver them out of this false prophets hands.

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[edit on 11-6-2008 by SirPaulMuaddib]

reply to post by Locoman8


Yet you and everyone else says nothing has happened, which is not true, so why bother. As for his quote about pentecost, I suggest you all read it, then read it again, and then read it again, but before you do, take your blinders off. Read it slowly, word by word if you have to, but get the idea out of your head first of what you think it is saying, and take notice of the word "will".

reply to post by doctorex


Yes. He said it WILL happen by the end of pentacost. The reason people are criticizing you and RW is because we ask for your so-called proof that he is who he says he is yet you ignore it and think we will not believe. You were trying to convince us before the supposed 1st trumpet sounded yet after it sounded and nothing happened, you simply ignore it and tell us that we just can't see. Well, I pray you show us so we won't be blind. Do you realize that a prophet on the level of the final two witnesses don't play guessing games or give a petition to God. God tells them what to do and gives them the power to do so for the Holy Spirit takes over their bodies and the Word of God is put in their mouths. Ronald Weinland speaks as a man who is begging God to hurry up and show the signs in order to convince the feeble-minded sheep of the world. By the sound of the first trumpet, the witnesses will have started their witnessing to the world and the plagues at will because the bible says so. Open your eyes or help us understand why you still follow him. Maybe we are missing something but your ignorance toward criticism just puts more doubt in the critics.

reply to post by Locoman8


No he said it will be evidence of destruction that WILL (not "has") encompass 1 third of trees etc, read it again. I have tried to show you guys the evidence of destruction in the US and around the world and you are the ones who ignore it, this is why I stopped bothering.
Besides, you guys have already made up your minds, so why do you care what I think anyway? The only reason for this is you wanting reasons to attack RW or myself, through your own pride, so whats the point?


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reply to post by doctorex


That post is my point. He said it WILL encompass 1/3 of the U.S. but he wrote that months before it happened. He mentions that this destruction will happen by pentacost and the nukes by the end of July. I see things happening in the world like the China Earthquake, Cyclone in Myranmar, Flooding in the Midwest US but these things happen all the time. Also, Ron Weinland predicted things to happen specifically in english-speaking countries yet all I see are normal occurences. Why don't you just tell us what the signs are? So what if you told us before and we didn't listen. Tell us again and defend your position on Ron Weinland because we have given evidence of his prophecy being false yet we still see no proof of his prophecy being true and you fail to provide it for us. Show us please.

Originally posted by doctorex

Originally posted by Locoman8
reply to post by daggyz

 

He's probably at home playing russian roulettes because of the depression that he feels for believing in a false prophet. I hope he's not but kids these days do crazy things when they don't get their way.

LOL, not likely. I said I wouldn't be posting because I have no intention of putting up with this type of garbage. The signs are there if you have eyes, and don't twist Ron's words. Like I said, you're all giving up prematurely. July 16th.

doctorex, you are brainwashed, read this F-ing sentence man

If by Pentecost it is not powerfully and abundantly clear that there has been a great deal of destruction that will clearly encompass a third of all plant life in the US and at least the clear results of this mingled with blood the death of very much animal life and the beginning of large numbers of human life then I will stop preaching.

especially the - clear results of this mingled with blood the death of very much animal life and the beginning of large numbers of human life then I will stop preaching.


the proof is not there, my eyes are open, rons eyes are the ones that are shut

i put my faith in jesus, you put yours in a man who has lied

As for his quote about pentecost, I suggest you all read it, then read it again, and then read it again, but before you do, take your blinders off. Read it slowly, word by word if you have to, but get the idea out of your head first of what you think it is saying, and take notice of the word "BY".

If BY Pentecost it is not powerfully and abundantly clear that there has been a great deal of destruction that will clearly encompass a third of all plant life in the US and at least

In case you care for or forgotten the dictionary definition of "by" :
here it is
by = NOT LATER THAN

Pentecost HAS COME AND GONE.


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Physical VS Spiritual
Fulfillment of Prophecy

Regarding this passage in Matt 24, RW has stated this has happened spiritually.
RW's teaching is that it refers to the scattering of the WCOG (worldwide Church of God)

Mat 24:15 Therefore when you see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place (whoever reads, let him understand).
Mat 24:16 Then let those in Judea flee into the mountains.
Mat 24:17 Let him on the housetop not come down to take anything out of his house;
Mat 24:18 nor let him in the field turn back to take his clothes.
Mat 24:19 And woe to those who are with child, and to those who give suck in those days!
Mat 24:20 But pray that your flight is not in the winter, nor on the Sabbath day;

Let us look at HOW bible prophecy is fulfilled, can prophecies be fulfilled "spiritually"?

At first I would have said no, but we shall see, let's proceed......


Let's look at the prophecies related to Christ (since they were all fulfilled).


Christ’s Birth (# = redundant verse)

* FULFILLED PHYSICALLY *
Virginal conception
Mtt 1:18-25 Isa 7:14
#Lke 1:26-38


* FULFILLED PHYSICALLY *
Seed of a woman (NOT seed of a man, requires virgin birth)
Gal 4:4 Mtt 1:21 Gen 3:15

* FULFILLED PHYSICALLY *
Seed of Abraham
Lke 1:72-73 Gen 12:3
Gen 22:16-18

* FULFILLED PHYSICALLY *
Seed of Isaac and Jacob
Lke 3:34 Gen 17:19
Gen 21:12 Num 24:17

* FULFILLED PHYSICALLY *
Of the tribe of Judah
Lke 3:34 Gen 49:10

* FULFILLED PHYSICALLY *
Son of David
Mtt 1:1 2Sm 7:12-14

* FULFILLED PHYSICALLY *
Born in Bethlehem
Mtt 2:4-6 Micah 5:2

* FULFILLED PHYSICALLY *
God became flesh
Jhn 1:1,14 1Jn 5:20 Isa 9:6

* FULFILLED PHYSICALLY *
Infant in Egypt
Mtt 2:13-15 Hos 11:1

* FULFILLED PHYSICALLY *
Massacre of children
Mtt 2:16-18 Jer 31:15




John the Baptist’s Witness
* FULFILLED PHYSICALLY *
(see a pattern???????)
Christ Heralded by John
Lke 1:76 Mal 3:1 Lke 3:2-6
#Mtt 11:10

* FULFILLED PHYSICALLY *
Voice in the wilderness
Mrk 1:2-4 Isa 40:3-5 Jhn 1:23
#Mtt 3:1-3

* FULFILLED SPIRITUALLY*

But notice!
ALL physical prophecies were fulfilled PHYSICALLY, they were not spiritualized away.
ALL "spiritual" prophecies were fulfilled SPIRITUALLY, they weren't physicalized.

Can you imagine if Christ DIDN'T come out of Egypt BUT he looked like an Egyptian, or he spoke Egyptian, or walked like an Egyptian? If this prophecy was "spiritualized" away that way?

Satan and every critic of the bible would have a field day. And quite frankly, rightfully so.
Satan could accuse God himself of lying, and NOT FULFILLING HIS WORD.

But notice this too! The "spiritual fulfillments" are CONFIRMED by either Jesus Christ himself (for example, pointing out that John was the Elijah), or by the word of God.

Here is another example of this

OT prophecy
Isa 42:6 I Jehovah have called You in righteousness, and will hold Your hand, and will keep You, and give You for a covenant of the people, for a Light of the nations;

Isa 49:6 And He said, It is but a little thing that You should be My servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to bring back the preserved ones of Israel; I will also give You for a light to the nations, to be My salvation to the end of the earth.

NT prophecy fulfillment confirmed

Mat 4:16 The people who sat in darkness saw a great Light; and Light has sprung up to those who sat in the region and shadow of death."

In short
PHYSICAL PROPHECIES ---> FULFILLED PHYSICALLY
SPIRITUAL PROPHECIES ---> FULFILLED SPIRITUALLY


Let us look at the verse that refer to the "flight" and see what kind of language that they use.
Keep in mind, that when Christ was addressing the disciples directly HE SPOKE PLAINLY and not in parables.

Mat 24:15 Therefore when you see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place (whoever reads, let him understand).

Mat 24:16 Then let those in Judea flee into the mountains.

Mat 24:17 Let him on the housetop not come down to take anything out of his house;

Mat 24:18 nor let him in the field turn back to take his clothes.

Mat 24:19 And woe to those who are with child, and to those who give suck in those days!

Mat 24:20 But pray that your flight is not in the winter, nor on the Sabbath day;

So we have physical thing like housetops....fields...clothing...woman with children...winter...all physical things to be mindful of during this time.
Let's look at "clothing", clothing can have a spiritual application BUT we are told NOT TO BE "NAKED" (elsewhere)
So Christ's instruction TO LEAVE YOUR CLOTHING can NOT have spiritual application HERE.
All the language is physical, about physical things

Mar 13:14 But when you see the abomination of desolation, that spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not (let him who reads understand), then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.

Mar 13:15 And let him who is on the housetop not go down into the house, nor enter to take anything out of his house.

Mar 13:16 And let him who is in the field not turn back again in order to take up his garment.

Mar 13:17 But woe to those with babe in womb, and to those who give suck in those days!

Mar 13:18 And pray that your flight is not in the winter.

Mark also mentions this "fleeing", notice all the plain language regarding physical precautions and warnings.


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LUK 21:20 And when you see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that its destruction has come.

Luk 21:21 And let those in Judea flee to the mountains. And those in its midst, let them go out. And those in the open spaces, let them not go into her.

Luk 21:22 For these are the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.

Luk 21:23 But woe to those who are with child, and to those suckling in those days! Ofr there shall be great distress in the land and wrath on this people.

Luke mention the same as well, he also mentions armies physically encompassing Jerusalem.


All the language in these passages are physical in nature, therefore the FULFILLMENT MUST BE PHYSICAL IN NATURE.

Therefore RW's position that the "fleeing" was spiritual HAS NO MERIT.

Sir paul I give you kudos for being on top of all this with some great info

granted ive called false since day 1 but the guy had me interested, he was intruging

i really want someone to sit down with this guy and get some straight answers there is too much silence

i guess a watch pot never boils and a false prophet never prospers

hmm

If you google RW, this thread usually shows up on the first page.




Maybe it will help those with doubts or questions.

reply to post by SirPaulMuaddib


yeah, i also keep a close watch on weinlandwatch as they are ex church members and definately know more than i about the guy

it also brings up

ronald weinland predicts nuclear attack which we all know that thread is closed

Originally posted by SirPaulMuaddib_2
As for his quote about pentecost, I suggest you all read it, then read it again, and then read it again, but before you do, take your blinders off. Read it slowly, word by word if you have to, but get the idea out of your head first of what you think it is saying, and take notice of the word "BY".

If BY Pentecost it is not powerfully and abundantly clear that there has been a great deal of destruction that will clearly encompass a third of all plant life in the US and at least

In case you care for or forgotten the dictionary definition of "by" :
here it is
by = NOT LATER THAN

Pentecost HAS COME AND GONE.

And do you not see events NOW that WILL encompass 1 third of trees and grass etc etc? If not, like I said, you need to take the blinders off. How are crops looking at the moment? How is the food supply looking at the moment? Take a look at some of the news articles at this site....

standeyo.com...

Originally posted by MurderCityDevil
reply to post by SirPaulMuaddib

 

yeah, i also keep a close watch on weinlandwatch as they are ex church members and definately know more than i about the guy

In all seriousness, you guys really need to get a life. Really, why do you bother or even care what he says if you are already convinced he is a false prophet?

[edit on 12/6/08 by doctorex]

reply to post by doctorex


doctorex,

You really can't expect them to see. They can't even hear when RW spoke directly to them.

-"And for all the CRITICS if by the end of July and most likely around Pentecost if nothing has clearly caused great destruction and death I will make it very clear that I was a false prophet."

From his time line (Pentecost to July) he is speaking of the 2nd trumpet. Sounds as if he expected the critics to not see the 1st trumpet. Hopefully when they see the 2nd trumpet they will go ask God what they asked of you..."Well, I pray you show us so we won't be blind." According to the bible though, most people will be blind. Maybe He will have mercy on them.

Originally posted by MurderCityDevil
reply to post by Locoman8

 

as much as i believe this guy is a fasle prophet

i find him and his thinking interesting that i keep up on on it a few times a week

im so anxious for pentecost or atleast his sabbath sermon tomorrow

It's sad and unfortunate that they would be anxious over all this... know what I mean?

BTW Thanks for the site.

-Later

well, for awhile I thought this guy may actually be who he says he is...But after researching awhile,and talking to a few of weinlands own ex-sheep,I think this guy is delusional.At this point he has contradicted and backpedaled so much you can dry out his words and use them for fertilizer.I have no doubt we may be near the end,but he is not one of the witnesses.Everytime we have approached one of the so-called "dates" he tap dances and extends it.Anybody can look at the news and claim it is gods judgement after the fact.How about sticking to what god says is going to happen.

reply to post by doctorex


I'm going to make myself clear here. We have food shortages and a falling economy as well as increased weather systems and I feel they are all tied in with the end of the age and I believe it to be very soon but Weinland has the dates wrong and has already contradicted himself. He's probably off by a year or two.

reply to post by Meggido


Serious question (not interested in further discussion, just a sincere answer):
Will you still feel the same if nukes are set off within RW's time frame?

Thanks
-Later