Ronald Weinland (nothing yet...)

Will you feel the same if the do not?

If RW is who he claims to be, where are the people trying to kill him? Where is the fire that should be coming from his mouth that engulfs the enemies of His witnesses? Wheres the rough cloth said witnesses were to be dressed in? Now I've already heard the "rough cloth" is symbolic for humility and reverence argument. This guy is neither reverent or humble. Further more why do his prophecies not coincide with Gods as others have pointed out. Second Revelation says these two will be witnesses not predicting prophets. A witness proclaims Gods word to the world, a prophet proclaims His intentions for the future of the world. While the differences can be subtle, they are differences none the less. Daniel was a prophet, Abraham was a witness. Matthew was a witness, John was technically both but at seperate times in his life. Paul was a witness. Ezekiel was a prophet. Read each ones books, do you see the difference?

Originally posted by gnipp gnopp
reply to post by Meggido

 

Serious question (not interested in further discussion, just a sincere answer):
Will you still feel the same if nukes are set off within RW's time frame?

Thanks
-Later

I will not as all of hos timing is off, god does not lie

ronald weinlandhas not been correct

this is just ridiculous, it would only be by chance

how are you so blind even in your own wording

re read what i have posted

where is the blood and mingled fire and great loss of human life and animal in the "US"

im not anxious, i just want to hear what this guy is gonna say about being wrong and then i want to see him stop preaching and giving falsehoods to people

Ok , Seriously..here is my answer.I defended this guy for a long time.I drank the kool aid.Truth is he is wrong.You can twist and bend it anyway you want, but nothing this end time "prophet" has done coincides with what god says WILL happen.Yes, things are real bad here in the good ole USA, and I have NO DOUBTS that the end is close, but he is not one of the 2 witnesses. First,No one in the world at large has heard of him, he has not foretold of anything accurately, his timing is way off.Not to mention his own flock is start to question him( some of them are).If a nuke were to hit ( and it will, its only a matter of time)I still don't believe him.Now if he starts accurately predicting-publicly might I add, and more than one time( eventually anyone can get something right once) Then I will eat crow.See unlike RW I will admit I am wrong.I think part of the problem with RWs supporters is that things have been so bad for so long that people are looking for someone to believe in, and don't want to think they were duped.If you want to believe in something believe in GOD.

reply to post by Meggido


Were you an "official" follower of RW? Did you attend any services?
Or did he just peak your interest?

Would you say you believed him 100% at one time?

What was the start of your having doubts?

[edit on 12-6-2008 by SirPaulMuaddib_2]

reply to post by SirPaulMuaddib_2
[more No I was not" official" . I heard about him through my father( an old Garner Ted suuporter,and before that an old Armstrong suppor ter)I have been listening to his sermons and reading his stuff since before the first book came out. I was having my doubts after April 17th cam and went.Then I gave him the benefit of the doubt.His sermons on the final 3 1/2 years from the past 3 weeks sealed the deal.He admits to having no clue, and yet people still listen to him.Also, one of my dear family friends( who is a staunch RW supporter and directly involved with him) says that quite a few people are starting to question him. SO my eyes were opened, probably in the past few weeks or so.Now with pentecost come and gone, I just can't believe him any longer.

reply to post by Meggido


meggido, i believe in the end times also, i dont believe RW is the end time witness to usher this all in

that was my main point, I really think this guy was fooled by some spirits as it even states lucifer can be transformed into an angel of light

i really feel alot of churches who are claiming this revival that is going on are being lied to by these spirits

in revelation it talks about a falling away of the church, i think alot of these guys are the reason people will fall away from the church because of all this lying and false miracles

read matthew and 1 john for stuff like this

I've been quietly following this thread as well as other blogs out here for a long time, and I have to say that for all the things that have been written over these past months, to me it appears as the most profound thing now to recognize how people have been positioning themselves mentally to reject RW's validity even if the nuclear strike does occur between now and July 16th.

The 'critics', as they're referred to by RW, keep talking about "his dates". "His dates were unfulfiled", "inaccurate", "already disproven himself many times over", and on it goes. May I remind all of you who claim such things that the prophecy about the timing of the 2nd trumpet is the first definite prediction concerning the happening of a specific physical event that RW has given so far - his first fixed date. The March 18th, the April 17th, the June 8th calendar dates did not involve definite physical predictions required to have been fulfilled by that point in time - all those are fundamentally different from the July 16th timeframe prophecy. But not to willfully ignorant critics - in their eyes, the "if-by-pentecost" statement has now provided the final smoking gun to be held against RW and fervently trumpeted around (nice pun, dont ya think?) till the end of days. Doctorex has already pointed out quite well how foolish that is: You are interpreting it, you are not looking at it for what it literally says.

This reminds me of something a very wise man once said: "So convenient a thing it is to be a reasonable creature, since it enables one to find or make a reason for everything one has a mind to do." Criticism is not a bad thing, but it has to remain objective and truthful.

Fact of the matter is, at this point in time, RW's validity hinges totally on this nuclear prediction; as he has himself stated in that sermon from May 24th, he has locked himself into this deadline totally and completely. Prior to this, there was no way to prove/disprove him. There really wasn't, if you want to remain objective. However, for everyone who disapproves of RW's teachings in general, the pentecost quote gives a near-perfect opportunity, even like a temptation, to settle the mind's uneasiness.

I'm writing this with sincerity to those people in this thread who are undecided and still leaving open the possibility to reconsider, not the self-proclaimed, slanderous WeinlandWatch-ers. Locoman8, even though apparently you have rejected RW you still come across to me as more or less open-minded, otherwise you probably wouldnt be asking questions, you said something to the effect of "maybe we're missing something, but please explain your ignorance toward our questions". Sir Paul Muaddib, you asked about how would pro-Weinland people feel if the nukes don't go off? To both of you, I think I can understand how it must seem to you as if pro-Weinland people are brainwashed, but that is not the case, just the opposite actually - if you are really truthful to yourselves you would have to admit that so far there had been no way of validating or refuting RW empirically by his words. Now there is. Do you think it's like an easy or automatic thing for all pro-Weinland people to continue believing, like hypnotized sheep just permanently engaging in Orwellian-type double think? It's not like that at all, it's the other way around - you have to continually examine whether what you believe is still coherent in itself. So please, if you want to criticize, follow the simpe rules of not omitting, jumping the conclusion, or going with the ad hominem argument. The claim of RW having had any kind of "wrong" or "unfulfilled" prediction up to this point is a myth. The answer to your question, Sir Paul, is absolutely clear: Yes, everyone would feel different, because in that case, Weinland would be a false prophet. It's not something that is up for interpretation, just simple logic. That's what everyone has to go by when you want to validate a prophet - objectivity and factual logic.

reply to post by WaterAmerican


My criticizm comes from a dispute between what Ronald Weinland preaches and what the Bible actually says about the 2 witnesses. He is not speaking like a prophet and so far, I haven't heard him witness. So what if he gave a date for the nukes. That's the supposed 2nd trumpet but what happened to the first trumpet? I am open-minded about prophets who claim to be from God but my doubts are coming from the fact that he gave a date for the first trumpet yet nothing happened and he didn't specify an event, only destruction and fire mingled with blood by pentacost. So he put a time frame for this to happen in as to say he isn't sure when it will happen. Now pentacost is gone and the world is still in one piece. Let's wait for the July 16 date and finally put an end to this nonsense. No one has even proven to me that RW is who he says he is. I have ears and eyes. I will see and listen if the proof is there.

I read this article about 10 minutes ago and thought I should contribute it to this forum.

www.telegraph.co.uk...

Originally posted by mazzroth
I read this article about 10 minutes ago and thought I should contribute it to this forum.

www.telegraph.co.uk...

if believing in god makes me the stupidest person on earth, than just call me gomer

i could care less

to water american, you are still not listening to what RW said, yes he said by pentecost, fire mingled with blood and great loss of human life and animal in the US

that has not happened at all, at all, and that was pentecost, not any nukes at all, it could of been anything else

but you can say this has not happened and he said it would

july 16th? then what date? then how much longer?

hmmmm

reply to post by WaterAmerican


To wateramerican and gnippgnopp and other supporters (not forgetting our doctorex)....

Lets have you guys all contribute to something unrefutable...
1. If nothing happens by 16th July, will you still see him as a false prophet, or
2. State at what date, when nothing happens, you will admit he's wrong.
3. Just state what would not have to happen and by when to admit he's wrong.

That way there are statements of faith and dates connected to them that can be proved either way (Unlike RW's stuff to date). Something with dates that cannot be excused away...... You need to state specifically what will happen by what date. It's not compulsory - just a suggestion to sort out commitment.

reply to post by daggyz


Like WaterAmerican said, the July 16th date will prove (if you accept it when it happens, though most won't) or diaprove RW as a prophet, I accept that. The main question that still puzzels me is, why do you even care what we think about RW. The only possible reason you could even have for wanting to know this, is so that you can have a date where you can say "I Was right, and you were all wrong!" and possibly have a goof laugh to yourself at the explense of others. Do you fail to even see the pride in that attitude? For example, if I or RW was decieved, do you think Christ would be laughing or mocking me or him? So the question is, would you consider your attitude to be Christ-like? I can tell you, if nukes do go off before July 16th, you won't see me here gloating, mocking, and pointing the finger at those who would be proven to have been decieved into not believing.

reply to post by Meggido


Thanks. Appreciate the reply.


reply to post by WaterAmerican


Nice to see ya. Your very observant. Thanks for reminding me of how some of the critics view supporter's mental abilities. I'd forgotten what their perception of me is. However, it will not change my policy of resisting their proud and haughty spirit.



reply to post by doctorex

Do you fail to even see the pride in that attitude?

This one will not see their pride as a bad thing, not yet anyhow. Maybe not ever. Let's hope it's not the latter.

-Later

reply to post by doctorex


I AM NOT HERE TO MAKE FUN OF YOU OR LAUGH AT YOU FOR BELIEVING IN THIS SO-CALLED PROPHET BECAUSE AT ONE POINT I WAS A MILD SKEPTIC FOLLOWER OF WEINLAND. I AM RIGHT HERE, RIGHT NOW ASKING YOU TO TELL ME WHAT YOU KNOW THAT WILL PROVE THAT RON IS WHO HE SAYS HE IS. YOU CONTINUALLY BEAT AROUND THE BUSH WITH ME AS FOR PROVIDING THE INFORMATION. WHO CARES IF SOMEONE ELSE POINTS A FINGER AT YOU. PART OF HAVING THE KNOWLEDGE OF GOD IS SHAREING IT. THE APOSTLES SPREAD THE WORD OF CHRIST AFTER HE DIED AND THEY WERE PERSECUTED FOR IT. THEY WERE PREACHING TO PEOPLE WHO CRITICIZED THEM AND MARTYRED THEM BECAUSE THEY KNEW THE KNOWLEDGE GOD GAVE THEM HAD TO BE SENT OUT FOR THE 1 OR 2 PEOPLE WHO WERE WILLING TO LISTEN WITH THEIR HEARTS. SO INSTEAD OF GETTING SO DEFENSIVE OVER WHAT I SAY, JUST SET MY MIND AT EASE AND SHARE WHAT YOU KNOW WITH US, EVEN IF YOU ALREADY HAVE. SHOW US THE 1ST TRUMPET SIGNS BECAUSE THE DATE OF APRIL 17 IS THE DATE THAT MADE ME A NON-BELIEVER OF RON. HELP CONVINCE ME OTHERWISE DOC.

reply to post by Locoman8


I'm just a student, not an Apostle. Might I suggest you go to the PKG website and dig for the info you require. Even the Pharisee, Nicodemus, went to see Christ at night. The site is free and anonymous, no one will know your there.

BTW, all caps comes across as stern or even yelling.

-Later

reply to post by Locoman8


Sorry, never mind. I see you were speaking to the good doctor.

-Later

reply to post by doctorex


Thankyou for finally saying by a date you will admit... and clarifying that and yes thats partly the reason if I'm honest. But I'd rather be proud than decieved or accused of being foolish. In actual fact I'm on this to try and help you see you are being decieved. I'm actually disturbed at how real you think he is and I've seen the 'crash' people have afterwards, it's very very sad. It takes them years to recover because they trust no one. Jesus said check their fruit. If there's no fruit - run!
Thousands have been taken in by imposters everywhere in the last 50 years and I feel sorry for those where the evidence has not been strong. The Davidians fully believed as you di, so did those in Jonestown. They were as convinced in their man as you guys are. Beofre you jump on me I'm not saying he's got that power over you, he can't because you are not living with him on a daily basis, but here with RW its not the lack of evidence for the average christian who wants it to happen but the overwhelming inaccuracies of one hailed as a 'prophet'. Good grief man, anyone, you included, could say with absolute authority that things are getting worse at a quicker rate and you would be right. I could state that God has told me things it's just they haven't happened yet and I'd probably have heaps of people believe me. Don't believe me, beleive the fruit. Why did Jesus do the wine thing. You have to have some ongoing fruit/accuracy/etc. What has RW done that can be considered 'fruit' of his calling above anyone else who like 'locoman' and I could have predicted worse things coming upon the earth in 2008? We probably would have got the countries right!

GnippGnopp says he is resisting others proud and haughty spirit. What the icon following?
'Locoman' capitals were because he probably was yelling. You aren't hearing!

Doctorex. I am interested in the date. I want to see you recant. I want you to admit your fooled and then commit to contacting every other blog in existance where RW is supported anddsay you used to believe but he's wrong and help others see like we have (although you will be called what we have).
The only way you do not have to do this is if a nuke blows before 17th July and only in the USA!!. If you agree to that, which I think you will, then you truly are a humble man and my hat will be off to you.

[edit on 13-6-2008 by daggyz]

4 weeks to go. Millions to die. world shaking event on the soil of the worlds most powerful nation. And God help those who surviv the blast....
.....
.....
or Ron will stop preaching???? I doubt it.

He said that about Pentecost!

Originally posted by daggyz
reply to post by doctorex

 

Thankyou for finally saying by a date you will admit... and clarifying that and yes thats partly the reason if I'm honest. But I'd rather be proud than decieved or accused of being foolish. In actual fact I'm on this to try and help you see you are being decieved. I'm actually disturbed at how real you think he is and I've seen the 'crash' people have afterwards, it's very very sad. It takes them years to recover because they trust no one. Jesus said check their fruit. If there's no fruit - run! .....

Amen to your whole post.

[edit on 13-6-2008 by SirPaulMuaddib]