Ronald Weinland (nothing yet...)

Hardly the words that would come of a true prophet of God....

"Are you embarrassed how this is unfolding? Are you apologetic to others? Don't let that happen. Don't ever, ever, ever let that kind of thing happen. Are you ready to throw in the towel and surrender? some have... that's between you and God."

"I am stressed. It was a very stressful day as I contemplated where we are. Maybe some of you have had a bad week.""

"I will clearly and candidly acknowledge that I know there is always the possibility that I'm wrong. Thats reality. I dont believe it for a moment. But Im not haughty to know... I cannot be deceived. And I will continue to act on the possibility I may be true and not on the possibility that I may be wrong." If wrong? "I'd put myself at the mercy seat of God...I dont believe it in one fashion, one bit, and one iota"

"So many have sacrificed so much, far above tithes and offerings.." "We are wiping out reserves rapidly and we will continue to do so...."

So if you didn't believe that you have any mortgage payments after April the 17th, or you didn't have to pay off your credit card, then you made a mistake! You know. You can't blame me!

some things RW DOES NOT KNOW

[RE ECONOMY]
I don't know what point our economy is going to collapse. I am not a fortune teller.

[RE SECOND TRUMPET]
" Now let me clarify some of that. I've also mentioned about the second trumpet, that I've made it very clear that it will not happen until after Pentecost. I don't know when it's going to happen.

[RE FIRST TRUMPET]
. This is what's happening. It could be by things that are so dry and so bad, it could be by fires, it could be by floods. To kill and destroy. I don't know what's going to cause it. And I don't even know when.

[RE TRUMPETS]
That we still won't have the evidence that we in our own physical carnal minds want to see? Because perhaps a part of what it's talking about is something that's going to be accomplished in the next three trumpets? I don't know!

[RE FIRST TRUMPET]
So the first trumpet announces something, and something follows, it doesn't say when. It doesn't say when. Or how, specifically here. I don't know what that means! Hail and fire? Mingled with blood? We know it means death, we know people will die as a result of it,

[RE FIRST TRUMPET]
Speaking of the grass and the trees. and what its saying here. So again. I don't know fully what that is. It means what it says. It will be done, one way or another. How, exactly when it takes place,I don't know.

How sad that God completely botched up on the training of his two witnesses. I still haven't heard a peep out of the second witness. It's over 6 weeks, neither of them has turned a river to blood, pronounced a specific plague on a specific city for a specific time. This is the power God gave for them, a power which they haven't exercised one wit. Why on earth did God choose these two to do a job, they clearly refuse to do????



[edit on 1-6-2008 by SirPaulMuaddib]

Did all the prophets know exactly when and how the things they had given to them by God were going to to take place, or sometimes what they even meant? Quite frankly no, which you seem to be forgetting. They even asked questioned about what is was they were seeing, and at times it was told it was not for them to know. At other times they were asked if they knew what it was they were seeing, and they clearly didn't, so other details were given to them to explain things further. RW says he doesn't have all the exact details of what is going to take place yet, and you say that God has done a botched job? Well I guess God did a botched Job with people like Daniel then too, right? Why do you waste your time? There are many people I believe to be false prophets, but I don't sit there wasting hours trying to find fault with them, I know time and God will do that for me, and because of that, I don't fear anything they have to say.

reply to post by doctorex



Your grasping at straws with a graph showing increased tornado activity in the USA. I'm not surprised as all natural events are increasing. It's certain that the earth is in it's last days. If I beleived your graph then the USA is going to be wiped out only by tornadoes and they will have to occur in every major city and every day. Even RW is not that far wrong.

Doctorex, these things you talk about have no bearing on RW's predictions, let someone show me... where is the great catastrophes on the countries listed.

Flies buzz around what type of things? You still haven't confirmed whether what RW said about his statement on Pentecost is right. Is that his quote? Has he changed it? A yes and a yes or no would be sufficient, because then we can focus on the correct date.

If SirPaul's post includes things from RW's own sermons, then the guy is already out. We've seen it all before. If that's all he can come up with since 17th April then there must be thousands more who have come to the same conclusion some of us have by now. If my Pastor was an innaccurate as that, i'd be really worried.

Still, I will give him 6 more days. He deserves that after sticking his neck out so far. After that date I expect RW to use the words 'soon' and 'in the near future' - well HELLO, even my teenage boys can read the Bible an are saying those words.

Originally posted by daggyz
Your grasping at straws with a graph showing increased tornado activity in the USA. I'm not surprised as all natural events are increasing. It's certain that the earth is in it's last days. If I beleived your graph then the USA is going to be wiped out only by tornadoes and they will have to occur in every major city and every day. Even RW is not that far wrong.

Doctorex, these things you talk about have no bearing on RW's predictions, let someone show me... where is the great catastrophes on the countries listed.

the tornados, the quakes, the cyclone, all natural disasters, said by RW to increase after April 17th, as part of the thunders, so yes, they do have something to do with his prophecies, and who said anything about there being only tornados, you're simply coming up with reasons not to believe what is right in front of your eyes.

Originally posted by daggyz
You still haven't confirmed whether what RW said about his statement on Pentecost is right. Is that his quote? Has he changed it? A yes and a yes or no would be sufficient, because then we can focus on the correct date.

To tell you the truth I rarely read everything on here, but I've told you before that RW said the sign you are looking for (the nukes) comes betweem the 45-90 day period, so there's your date.

Originally posted by daggyz
If SirPaul's post includes things from RW's own sermons, then the guy is already out. We've seen it all before. If that's all he can come up with since 17th April then there must be thousands more who have come to the same conclusion some of us have by now. If my Pastor was an innaccurate as that, i'd be really worried.

Anybody can quote anything out of context or take things the wrong way, myself included, if you want to know for yourself, why not listen to them yourself. Anyway, this thread is simply going in circles, even with everything that has been happening around the world, so I think I'll leave it that, chow.

Let's find out what this chart is really saying....

You see, the picture of the other chart is a PRELIMINARY look, not ACTUAL.

Let's look at 2008 PRELIM. (under Killer Tornadoes)

it was for
April prelim = 0 ....so here it DROPPED TO NOTHING
May prelim = 10....here it went up.

Under number of tornadoes, on left side..

We have preliminary counts for March, April, May of...
March = 151
April = 192
May = 547
Preliminary counts WILL HAVE DUPLICATE REPORTS. These are not removed until the FINAL ACTUAL reports come in.
So there can be a wide discrepancy between the prelim, and the final reports, AT THIS POINT WE DON'T HAVE ACTUAL NUMBERS.
We do not have actual, accurate number for Mar, Apr, May. So far, as far as ACTUAL numbers, they are ahead in time, by about one month, but otherwise the NUMBER is about the same for last year.




If you look at the SECOND chart, the actual numbers for the BEGINNING of March, match the number for THE END of March from last year. (which would be about 232 tornadoes). So in terms of time, the count reached 232 EARLY THIS YEAR, but they have not increased in NUMBER. For April, the prelims from this year and last year are about the same (off by 5).

We simply do not have actual numbers YET. Plus many of the prelim numbers ARE DUPLICATES.





To say they've increased would be false, we do not know yet, so far, based on prelim data, from this year and last year...the prelims for April are about the same. (off by 5)

Forget the charts they mean nothing. What this thread is about is RW's words.

on 3rd February doctorex said ......

"Besides Ron has said all along the events follwoing the first trumpet will be quite visible, and will happen over a period of seven weeks, so don't expect him to spiritualize them away. He has even said if nothing physical hapens by Pentecost he will admit he was a fals prophet."

Although doctorex doesn't hold to that anymore, it is something he clearly held to back then. If doctorex is searching truthfully he only has till 8th June, at which time RW is proved wrong...

Those were RW's and doctorex's words...not mine!

Something else for someone to explain.

On 10th April 2008 in London on the James Whale show, RW was reported as saying "...on Thursday, next Thursday (17th April) we will see something in the news..."

Ron believed (or at least hoped or thought or suspected) that something big would happen on that date. It didn't.

"...there will be..." "...WILL..."

That is a prophet speaking stating an event WILL happen on 17th April that we will SEE..." ....not in our hearts, not in our spirits, not in our minds..... ON THE NEWS! On TV, a visual expression....

I can't say RW is probably a fraud and then come back later and say "well I didn't mean it like that, I meant a fraud as in nothings happened at the time I said it". That's being vague and defensive. If you say something, let it be accurate. I mean he's a fraud because nothing will happen on 8th June and although 'an event' will probably happen somewhere given enough time, it will not be predicted accurately enough for ANYONE to claim they knew about it.

Bible: "Let your Yes be Yes, and your No be No"
RW: "It will, On such and such, BY this date, Umm, well, I meant it spiritually speaking... By this date, I meant this date. No I mean within this time frame, no I mean before 2012 "

Maybe the nuclear bomb is not a physical one and the ports in the states are not real ones. Maybe it means a "flash in state of liquid" not a detonation in the ports of the states. (It could be spiritual and not physical after all!)

Forgive me people, but many hold fast to one who has not been accurate and hold onto his words in fear of being 'left behind' or something. Jesus told us how to be saved, and it didn't include last day prophets. Although ignoring a real one could be harmful to us as we live on earth, but wont affect our salvation. Anyone whos says ignoring a prophets words will affect our salvation is deluded.

April 17 + 45 days = June 2
April 17 + 90 days = July 16

So the next 45ish days, we will get nuked in America?

BUT WAIT.

What the heck happened to the 1st TRUMPET????????????

ARE WE SKIPPING OVER THE 1ST TRUMPET SIGN?????????????

or is that being rolled into the next event????

It's so hard keeping track of unfulfilled prophecies.

:-(

Originally posted by SirPaulMuaddib_2

It's so hard keeping track of unfulfilled prophecies.

:-(

Isn't that the truth! I have been laid back just reading everyone's post on this thread and if anything surely stands out as proof regarding Mr. Weinland, it is the fact of the unfulfilled prophecies.

Things have been happening everywhere BUT where Mr. Weinland has projected his prophecies to take place. It is as if the Lord is personally working against Mr. Weinland and his silent, second witness wife, Mrs. Weinland.

I can’t imagine how embarrassed and disappointed they must be in assuming so much in regard to themselves, yet, that is what happens when one rises up in false humility.

[edit on 6/2/2008 by jdposey]

reply to post by SirPaulMuaddib_2


good call on the dates

I highly doubt this guy will step down

his site is never updated, youd figure hed be out there letting everyone know

many will come in his name to deceive if even the very elect

i wonder if the whole 2nd winess thing was forced on his wife, i feel bad if thats the case or if she is just deluded enough to think she is one too

sad sad world

Let's deal now with earthquakes...
have they decreased? stayed the same? or increased?

Let's look at the facts...





Just eyeballing it for last year and the current totals for this year..
From magnitudes 0.1 - 9.9 they are all about half of what they were from 2007.

The exception is 6.0-6.9, for this year is is almost the same as for last year.

Of course, we are only halfway through this year, so the numbers that we have, are half of what we had for last year. So if trends continue, we will match last years total, and be just about the same.

So, thus far, the earthquakes have not increased, they have stayed the same, they are actually slightly under than for last year.

These figures are for the United States.

The evidence is not in RW's favor.

So thus far....

Thunder #2 (earthquakes) - no increase, about the same
Thunder #3 (weather) - prelims about the same, nothing conclusive. actual numbers we do have, show no increase (but "early arrival")

Thunder #5 - no early deaths of specified ministers, no "notable" number of deaths of any famous people.

Thunder #6 - self proclamation of self appointment as 2 witnesses *which in itself is against biblical "protocol"*, not even Jesus did that concerning himself.

Thunder #7 - increased revelation (too ambiguous)

week 7......cough...cough....

i am so friggin pissed that ronnie is so quiet and isnt witnessing to the world and that 2nd witness what the f?

is she just there for the night time cuddles?

hmmm


3 days til Pentecost


waddadoosh


so reminds me of Yisrayl Hawkins who is in jail actually on bigamy charges and molestation charges with a minor i believe

well plus the whole nuclear war killing 1/3 man didnt pan out for him either

waddadoosh strike 2

[edit on 5-6-2008 by MurderCityDevil]

[edit on 5-6-2008 by MurderCityDevil]

2 days to go
And then to show
A few more days are needed
So we'll have to wait
Till July 16th
Before the tares are weeded

It's always more
Extended time
To make room for chances
But they won't come
And poor old Ron
Into the sunset dances

But it will
It surely will
End one day in this fine land
But it will happen
When true witnesses arrive
And not by Ronald Weinland



[edit on 6-6-2008 by daggyz]

[edit on 6-6-2008 by daggyz]

Oh I forgot to say....

Hi Audra!!!

(That's Audra Weinland for those of you who didn't know she reads these columns and keeps a watch on us)

reply to post by daggyz


Well hello to you Audra Weinland. I havne't heard you witness yet.

reply to post by Locoman8


its cause Laura is a witness

Audra must be someone else, a love child? or just someone clever enough to use that as a screenname

reply to post by MurderCityDevil


Thanks for the correction. I just saw the last name and assumed it was witness number 2. I forgot his wife was Laura.