Ronald Weinland (nothing yet...)

Originally posted by SirPaulMuaddibYou need to turn the mirror around and look into it, because here's my position, I read and expect the event to occur the way GOD SAID IT, not the way I said it, nor the way RW says it. You on the other hand are content with accepting what RW says it should be.

No, you reading what you want into what God says. You expect 1 third of all the trees to be burned up on the entire planet. You're reading that into what is written, and the words that were used. It doesn't say that at all, it doesn't even mention of how big an area, it is only talking about where this events happens...

7 The first angel sounded, and there followed hail and fire mingled with blood, and they were cast upon the earth: and the third part of trees was burnt up, and all green grass was burnt up.

The greek word translated as earth doesn't always mean the entire planet, it also means, a country, a land, or simply even the soil. The greek verse even mentions one third of the earth being burned up, which is left out in the English verse (it only mentions the tress and the grass), so how do you destroy one third of the entire planet away with out destroying all of it? You can't, because it's not even talking about the entire planet.

If you're so convinced RW is a false prophet, why fo you keep going on an on and on about him? Something must be really pushing your buttons. Oh, it's because you want to warn everyone, right? Well, if it's so clear that he's a false prophet, you don't have anything to wory about, do you? It is God who calls people to truth, not man, so if what you are saying is the truth, nobody will see that unless is God is working with them and calling them in the first place, so what you or I have to say is rather meaningless, it is God who does the work, and if he wants people to see that RW is a false prophet, i'm sure he's quite capable of making that obvious in time. What people choose to believe is between them and God, and if they are wrong, then they will answer to God, and that includes me, and you. So, what do you have to fear from RW? Are you trying to expose him? Believe me, anybody who does actually now and understand what RW has said, knows you're doing a pretty terrible job at it.

I find it sad that RW supporters will continue to believe despite the signs not matching.

I said the 1st Trumpet sign would be over the whole earth or AT LEAST a major continent.

The seals + plagues will kill off about 90% of all humanity. So yes, the desvastation will be worldwide and terrible.

The greek word translated as earth doesn't always mean the entire planet, it also means, a country, a land, or simply even the soil.

I have no problem accepting that as a possibility. But I have stated why I believe otherwise, the clear implication from the 5th Trumpet plague, is that the damage is substantial, and not some "little" fire in some state somewhere.

Also i might add that it does state in the bible that a world wide earthquake will be felt. Keyword "Worldwide" . So if this is true then the 7th seal is no where near being broken as Ronald says. Also in doctorex's comment you said that he prayed for more destruction in America? Would that not make him a terrorist? Anyway its all logical guess, or hes getting information from very informed people. Also brings me to another question for doctorex. Do you really believe
the load of crock this guy is saying? He just seems like another psychic to me only basing his predictions as "Acts of god".

RW March 29 sermon: If by Pentecost I’m just going to make this real clear to everyone. If by Pentecost it is not powerfully and abundantly clear that there has been a great deal of destruction that will clearly encompass a third of all plant life in the US and at least the clear results of this mingled with blood the death of very much animal life and the beginning of large numbers of human life then I will stop preaching.

Oh, wait a minute, you mean RW agrees with what I'm saying?

I personally believe it will be global, but as I said, otherwise it would have to involve a entire continent.

I am sorry but Ronald is no doubt fake. I am sure Doctorx will comment "Why do i keep rambling one about it then". Well i have to say this, if he was real wheres the destruction to New York, Chicago, L.A that he said would happen???
Were is this world wide earthquake thats suppose to happen before the 7th seal.
The only thing i seen happen in the bible so far is that a war would break out near the Euphrates River in the end times. Well thats happening now is it not? And i am sure someone would say that Satan has shown him self in the smoke of the twin towers, look it up its not fake . But i doubt we are anywhere near the 7th seal i say we are closer to about the 4th or the 5th. I am saying this out of my belief but not as a fact.

As for the fires in Florida, they have had them before its not an uncommon thing California and Florida both have fires almost every year. And why is the fires in Florida so big? Ever heard the term "Spread like wildfire" its hard to control fire man did create it but they can very rarely control it(by create i mean discover). And by what i hear from other sources the mark of the beast is coming soon.

Reluctantly i do not believe that Europe is going to take over the US and the dollar will demise and the euro will rise. It is just to biased to believe that.

I seen, yes i know no one will believe me but ask anyone in my first hour class in 12th grade which was 6 years ago. I foresaw destruction on 9/11. I just did not know where. I get these feelings but not like exact places or what have you that people were going to die on that date. I still have minor images of the future to come but like I said i have no idea where they will happen, nor really a date. Knowing what would happen 9/11 was very rare as i did not feel it until that day. I mean i knew it was coming but when i started to get a very bad pit in my stomach and started to cry. It scared me crapless what happened 2hrs later. Believe me if you want but like I said am I any more creditable than Ronald?

Which brings me to another point Ronald also said a president would not be in office this term. All i can say is bull. look how many people have been voting its not going to be as he says.

I know I am being harsh on Ronald but until I see the most important of his predictions come true then all my faith is in god not Ronald.

Sorry for the long note to i usually do not type this much.

reply to post by Xmarksthespot


NINETEEN more days to go folks. 19 more days in which God will have to cram an ever increasing number of ever worsening disasters upon the USA/UK/Canada/Australia and NZ, to keep bolstering RW up as a true prophet.
Of course God doesn't hold him up as a prophet as NOTHING that could remotely be classed as a disaster out of the ordinary things that normally occur has happened since 14th April.

19 more days Ron, you'd better pray hard or word your renouncing, no rush though, you've got 189 days to prepare one.

Anyone heard how his health is

Theres something else no one has mentioned that occurred before the lastest failed predictions. I refer to the deaths of church leaders he predicted.

For example, the first phase of the 5th thunder which according to "2008 - God's Final Witness" was to include the early deaths of specific individuals, none of whom have died. If you don't have an Armstrongite background, this may be without significance to you initially and you'd have to do some research to understand this.

He predicted the deaths of the following church leaders:
Living Church of God -- Roderick Meredith
Restored Church of God -- David Pack
Philadelphia Church of God -- Gerald Flurry
Church of the Great God -- John Ritenbaugh.

All of these individuals were to have died early in the 5th thunder, well before the 7th seal opened on March 18th. Yet none of these people have died. Reread pages 107-108 of his book and do some Googling on these people.

Weinland in his book defined their deaths as a test as to whether or not he was a true prophet, and by his own test is defined as a false prophet. If you go to his church web site he tries to explain this away by referring to the one sentence that describes the deaths of all other ministers prophesied to happen during the great tribulation which started April 17th.

So he's already proved wrong but lets do it again.

Only 19 days to go for massive massive and continual disaster on USA/Canada/NZ etc. It has to be continuous now because so many days have been missed since 17th April for it to be progressive.

Any RW fan out there prepared to try to defend his error about the church leaders.....we are listening....!!!

RW's EXIT STRATEGY ALREADY BEING FORMULATED...

This is from a leaked email, I'm quoting it from another site that has this posted.

“W” first appeared on the old Ironwolf forum, and has long been thought to be a church insider of some sort, based on the information he has provided to the Internet forums about activities inside the church. My responses are in brackets in bold.

“This is the back up plan for Cog-pkg if Ron is not who he says to the church by the middle of July 2008. All these ideas were released within the last couple days. So, this plan is not set in stone. This is the plan released to a select few members for input if the 45-90 day prophecy fails to come to true.”

“w” just clarified the origins of this plan here:

“The e-mail was not sent out to more than ten people, so not even all the elders know. (I wasn’t supposed to receive the e-mail, so my identity is still hidden) A few lay people did receive the e-mail too. Weinland & the others are still waiting on the 45 to 90 days to finish before moving forward. If a major natural disaster or actual terror event occurs before the middle of July 2008, then all bets are off. Keep in mind these individuals actually do believe in the two books(including Weinland).”

1. Series of sermons stating why & what happened, including repentance by Weinland in late July 2008.
[Pre-meditated repentance? Or a repentance coerced by threat of coup d'etat?]
2. Appointment of Harrell as head of the church(of course God/Christ above him in their organization) and Matthews in Australia.
[We figured that anyway.]
3. Others that are considered preaching elders will become evangelists.
4. New elders would either start to preaching in their areas in the months afterwards or in 2009.
[Better get in early, if you want to be in the Levitical chain of command at all, n00bs.]
5. Harrell, Matthews. Wroyzek(sp?) [Read: The Three Stooges] would take over the weekly sabbath and annual holy day sermons, beginning in August 2008.
[Can't'cha just picture these good ol' boys rubbing their hands together in glee at the thought of finally being able to brow-beat the brethren themselves? There is an upside to this for us demons as well: No more sermons that are all Weinland, all the time. Although Matthews preaches as though time stood still circa 1985, in my opinion. And Harrell really needs to drop the "Christ our older brother" schtick, if he wants to retain any credibility whatsoever.]
6. Weinland cease preaching and would no longer be the pastor in any capacity after August 1, 2008(depending on any legal matters) Harrell would take over at that time.
["Depending on any legal matters"? What the hell does that mean?! If he's sued for the tithe monies, he won't forfeit his position? Or will he forfeit his position so he can't be sued for the tithe monies?]
7. The new theme would be most of the same, except that we are still in Ladiocea, but the final 3 1/2 years is coming soon, but not September 2011. [So are they going to imitate Clever Gerry Flurry, who is predicting another Great Trib. to hit us in 2009, or are they going to go the route of Spanky Meredith, and fudge on the "five to ten to fifteen years" front?]

enigma77 is missing the point, pagans admit there is no right or wrong path, and every religeon is trying to describe the same thing what works for some people doesnt work for others. religeon though has been corrupted and closed minded people like yourself bring out the worst in it
your religeon wants you to be scared of god so you obey HIM
funny that men rule the world so obviously gods a man =)
anyways free yourself from your prejudices
walk in the light.

reply to post by doctorex


Greetings Doctorex.....It may not be clear that RW is a false prophet,but it is obvious that God has elected to TARY...either that or RW is not listening to his instructor...Or perhaps he has never been getting any instructions and only just thought he was....After much research I think we could agree that to date nothing that RW declared has happened and I think, not withstanding any spiritual events that have occured and I was not blessed with the understanding to recognize,I still maintain that through Gods mercy and love he will see fit to give people (sinners) such as myself a fair warning through a prophet,who prophesises, and events take place in a physical nature.. so people such as myself will know this prophet is of God....I fully understand RWs conviction and resolve....I have a similiar nature and because he is convinced this nation is doomed in the short term....He is preparing for his own survival so as to continue to minister to the faithfull in this nation by moving his communication media (internet etc.)to Switzerland and the UK....I would think that God would see fit to keep him safe where ever he would be.....and allow him to continue his work as the end time witness until his work is complete....I think in due time many of things RW speaks of could come to past but this will happen in Gods Time not his.....My prayer is for mercy with the hope that this nation will change.....

reply to post by Anonymous ATS


Greetings.....Is there a special reason for your ananimity,or are you just afraid of discourse.....It is an envyable position to be in the woodline and snipe at folks in the middle of the meadow....because of your fear of being identified you can never be wrong....and for that reason I don't care what you think because it does not really matter....you don't want to stand for anything....

My prediction is that RW will use the Jonah's defense.

Jonah preached destruction, but it didn't come.
(technically it did, it came later, I don't remember offhand when, I think 70 years later)

The destruction was delayed, but only because the nation from the king on down fasted and repented.

reply to post by daggyz


That is a good point daggyz! Not only did he mention the death of those select church leaders, he also mentions a passage about my following church, the United Church of God. First let's read what he says about the 5th seal and it's direct link to the Church of God. I am starting in page 102 of "2008: God's Final Witness".

"God has shown that He has taken His protection away from His ministry that was scattered (those ministries who have not repented). This began to be made manifest less than a year ago. Although it was news in many parts of the world when it happened (I was in Australia and it was in the news there), the world did not take much notice of an event that happened in one of the scattered groups less than a year ago. On March 12, 2005, in a hotel in Wisconsin where some had gathered for Sabbath services, a disgruntled member of their congregation entered the meeting room and fired 22 bullets from a 9mm handgun within a minute, killing seven people. Before the shooting stopped, the pastor, the pastor's son and five other church members were dead and four others were wounded. Then, the disgruntled member killed himself."
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I read this article on the internet and it was from the "Living Church of God. The man who shot those rounds was disgruntled because the church apparantly dictated who he was allowed to date and marry. He became upset and started shooting. This event is what I believe made Ronald Weinland believe other church members would be killed. Let's read further. On page 107-108 he makes mention of a petition to God and the death of the scattered churches of God.
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"I have also made a petition to the ETERNAL God of Abraham. My petition is that this first phase of the Fifth Thunder be fulfilled exactly as it is written here. This request is so that scattered brethren who are asleep might be awakened and know that God has granted them the opportunity to repent and return to Him at this time. Also it is so that they may know that I am His end-time prophet, His spokesman for the two ent-time witnesses. It will be revealed in a very short time whether I am God's prophet or not, as well as whether scattered Church leaders are God's ministers any longer or not. As stated in a previous chapter, either one of these is true or neither is true.
To make it absolutely clear, my petition covers more in regard to the scattered ministers. The most notable among them will be those who die toward the beginning. However, every minister who was scattered, who fails to repent early on and return to God (with me, as God's minister, teaching them) will die during the final three and one-half years of great tribulation. They will not see the millennial reign of God's Kingdom on earth.
The most notable deaths early on, which are yet to come to pass, will be the two remaining television presenters in the Living Church of God. The sound of this thunder will be intensified by the early deaths of the leaders of the Philadelphia Church of God, the Restored Church of God, and the Church of the Great God. Then, those in the larget scattered group, who think they have escaped, will be lifted to believe that God is with them because they are so filled with pride. But, when that happens, the deaths of many in the United Church of God will begin.
How much more specific can one be to show that he is either of God, and indeed his prophet, or someone who has clearly stepped over the line to be dealt with by God in a speedy manner. Time will tell! And, you don't have long to wait!"
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Here he specifies that unless the scattered Church of God repents and accepts Ronald Weinland as the end-time prophet and minister, they will see much death in their ministries. He really speaks roughly about the United Church of God, which is the church I associate myself with. He has already been proven false in his 5th thunder prediction. In those pages from 102-108 RW sounds like a minister high on himself and trying to scare people to make them think he caused the massacre within the Living Church of God and that it will continue into the United Church of God at the beginning of the tribulation. This prophecy of the 5th thunder automatically makes him a false prophet. I no longer need to wait till July-August to see if he's right, because he's been proven wrong on so many of his claims. He spoke of the intensity of these thunders until the opening of the 7th seal but the thunders never intensified. No other church members died, no other Katrina has hit, and we haven't had another 9-11 since it happened. There are great disasters around the world today, but RW's claim is that America would see these intensified signs before the opening of the 7th seal. I think the man slings fecal matter to the fan and those who are hit with it, keep on believing. Those of us who shielded ourselves from the $#!+ storm he started can clearly see the lies he's already told. Wake up and realize that once you're proven a false prophet, it's best to just stop.

To make it absolutely clear, my petition covers more in regard to the scattered ministers. The most notable among them will be those who die toward the beginning. However, every minister who was scattered, who fails to repent early on and return to God (with me, as God's minister, teaching them) will die during the final three and one-half years of great tribulation. They will not see the millennial reign of God's Kingdom on earth.

This would be an incredible abuse of power, if RW was imbued was such power. (which he hasn't).

The power given to the Two Witnesses will not be used this way.
It will be used (I'm only referring to slaying people at a word, not the general plagues) on a AS NEED basis. The bible say they will slay people who try to PHYSICALLY HARM THEM. It does not say they will have the power or authority to slay people just because they tick them off.
Only against people who try to lay hands on them, this is because THEY MUST ACCOMPLISH THEIR MISSION. So when this is the case, when someone trys to prevent the mission from preceeding, then yes, they will slay them at a word (I believe the fire from their mouths will be literal).

The same greek word "pur" for fire, is used with the false prophet, which will be exercised "in the sight of men". So with the false prophet the fire will be literal. I believe it will also be literal with the Two Witnesses.

reply to post by SirPaulMuaddib_2


Sirpaul, please help me out on the "The truth behind, "The Rapture" thread. Pre-trib guy is giving me a hard time and I need some assistance. You are a knowledgeable man and I have great respect for you. It is located in the BTS spirituality forum. I appriciate it.

Originally posted by Locoman8
reply to post by SirPaulMuaddib_2

 

Sirpaul, please help me out on the "The truth behind, "The Rapture" thread. Pre-trib guy is giving me a hard time and I need some assistance. You are a knowledgeable man and I have great respect for you. It is located in the BTS spirituality forum. I appriciate it.

I'll check it out
(post a link)

[edit on 22-5-2008 by SirPaulMuaddib_2]

Another day and ???? This is becoming really boring Ron! Do something to relieve us from the boredom. Strick a plague or bang a stick on a rock or part the sea or something... anything that above what any human could do or 'predict'.

By the way I saw a note from theordorej about the anonymous reply. Like he isn't? There is nothing in theodorej's profile that reveals anything other than a user name and some useless info (same with mine actually but I'm not making the accusation of anonynimity).
theodorej, you have no location, no photo, nothing to identify yourself either. Don't accuse someone of hiding as if you aren't completely open yourself. There is nothing in your profile that reveals anything about you that couldn't be false. Your 'profile' says
Topics I Dislike
Personal based,self serving conversation..
Stuff I Don't Like
Selfishness,Arogance and Huberous

The last two words are spelt wrong, have the same meaning and don't match your comments to Anonymous. What a jerk!

If you can't stick to the topic, neither will I!

But back to RW. Still nothing.....!

5TH WEEK

NOTHING, NOTHING, NOTHING.

Not a single blood red river. Not a single breathe of fire.
Not a single explicit pronouncement of a specific plague for a specific place.

The Pope hasn't called down any fire from heaven.

Nothing.

That is not to say these things will not EVENTUALLY occur, but that is when the true 3 1/2 years start, and the true Two Witnesses start their ministry.

God GAVE MARKERS TO WATCH FOR. To know when these DO START.

They have not occured yet.

RW expects us to 'take his word', that it has started.

God expects us to see the evidence that will be clearly visible, and then we will know. (the onus will lie on God to provide the visible evidence not on untrustworthy man). God is not going to initiate the most critical time in HUMAN HISTORY, on the WORD OF A MAN. He will provide the evidence.

[edit on 23-5-2008 by SirPaulMuaddib]

I'm growing tired of the liar that is Ronald Weinland. I had a tornado hit my community 2 days ago, but it was like an F-0 and only knocked branches off trees. Did he send that little rinky-dink storm to me since I'm a United Church of God follower? As he said, I am a heathen for following their ways and not his.