Ronald Weinland (nothing yet...)

Originally posted by jdposey

Originally posted by Locoman8
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I assume this guy you speak of thinks a pre-trib rapture will happen on June 8 and then the tribulation will begin, right?

Yes, you are correct, the gentleman that I alluded to in the post does indeed state that the Rapture is to take place June 8th.


I am still of the opinion that as long as men continue to set specific dates, the Lord will see to it that nothing transpires on that calculated date.

Yes, basically if a date is set, then we know it absolutely will not occur on that date.

We will know of the season but not of the day or hour.

Let’s interpret (read into) a verse the way RW reads it.

For example, in John, Christ says “Before Abraham, I AM”

Now RW would interpret this passage by reading into it, he would say the Christ is “speaking on God’s behalf”, so that Christ is in effect quoting God, so that the pre-existent nature of Christ would then be nullified by RW’s interpretation of this verse.

Ah……but let’s look at this verse from two angles.

(A) IF RW is correct, then let’s “translate” this verse into what Christ is supposedly saying.
Christ was speaking to a group of Jews, and the Jews were claiming Abraham as their father.

So Christ would then be saying (in RW speak)
“Before Abraham, YAWEH was (the) I AM”
To which the Jews would reply “Well….duh, of course”

BUT THIS WAS NOT THEIR REACTION, they interpreted it as Christ APPLYING THIS TO HIMSELF

Now if they had “misunderstood” Christ, then it would have been blasphemous for Christ to allow them to continue believing this…he would say…

“No, wait, you misunderstood me, I don’t mean ME, I mean the Father” , to which they would reply “Oh, OK, well of course that’s true”

But this did not happen..

(B) OK..let’s look at THE FULL VERSE
“Jesus said to them, verily, verily I SAY unto you, Before Abraham I AM”

Now when you see “verily, verily” in the NT, this is the equivalent of taking a high oath, like swearing on the bible (which technically shouldn’t be done),
So Christ is declaring WITH A HIGH OATH, that what he says following the verily’s is absolutely true.

O.K. let’s see what this verse is saying…
Christ clarifies his statement, he says “I SAY”, he DOES NOT SAY THE FATHER SAYS, but “I SAY”, HE’S APPLYING THIS TO HIMSELF!
To which the normal Jewish reaction would be “blasphemy!”, which they did.

The Jews were claiming supremacy by stating Abraham was their father (earlier verses), so Christ TRUMPS them by declaring that HE EXISTED BEFORE ABRAHAM.
It makes no sense to say that before Abraham, that YAHEH (was the) I AM, they understood that.

So RW’s interpretation and reading into the verse saying Christ was “quoting” the Father makes NO SENSE either on the grounds of case A or case B.





[edit on 16-5-2008 by SirPaulMuaddib_2]

Originally posted by Locoman8
We will know of the season but not of the day or hour.

Yes, this it true.

reply to post by SirPaulMuaddib_2



That is a very good example you have provided. So many clearly spoken things within scripture have been turned into complex interpretations.

basically what i was trying to say is that there is no "God" as you speak. If there was wheres your proof? I would love to see it really i would. The world is not going to end anytime soon until at least one of these things happen. A) An Asteroid or Comet hits the earth. B) The sun turns into a super giant and burns earth to a crisp. C) Earth explodes. D) Some dumb F*** sets off a missile and starts a world war. There is no God period. And i do not see any of these things happening with D most likely even if a missile is launched by mistake.

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The whole conversation is about who's father is who. The jews claim abraham as their father, then Jesus says God is his father and says...

55 Yet ye have not known him; but I know him: and if I should say, I know him not, I shall be a liar like unto you: but I know him, and keep his saying.

Jesus just finishes telling them that he keeps his (God the father's) saying, his words, then right after this he says...

56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.
57 Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?
58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

He even uses the term "I am", the very term Yahweh the father used in reference to himself when speaking to Moses. Jesus is not speaking of himself. He gave many examples that the words he spoke were from his father and not his, even though they came out of his own mouth. Jesus even explained this earlier to the very people who were questioning him....

JOHN 8:25 Then said they unto him, Who art thou? And Jesus saith unto them, Even the same that I said unto you from the beginning.
26 I have many things to say and to judge of you: but he that sent me is true; and I speak to the world those things which I have heard of him.
27 They understood not that he spake to them of the Father.
28 Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am he, and that I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things.

Some more verses...

John 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

John 8:38 I speak that which I have seen with my Father: and ye do that which ye have seen with your father.

John 12:50 And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.

Jesus even gives an example when the same thing will happen for us...

MATTHEW 10:19 But when they deliver you up, take no thought how or what ye shall speak: for it shall be given you in that same hour what ye shall speak.
20 For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you.

Jesus was the very word of God made flesh, why is it such a stretch for you to believe that God could talk through Jesus, especiialy after Jesus said many times that this did in fact happen?

The Jews were claiming supremacy by stating Abraham was their father (earlier verses), so Christ TRUMPS them by declaring that HE EXISTED BEFORE ABRAHAM.
It makes no sense to say that before Abraham, that YAHEH (was the) I AM, they understood that.

He isn't trumping them by saying that he was around before abraham, his is saying that their father may be abraham, but his father was God, not that simply God was around before abraham. What they would have heard was jesus calling himself God (I AM), which is why they wanted to stone him, because afterall, as it says earlier in the chapter, they didn't understand that what he had to say was from God, and not of himself.

[edit on 17/5/08 by doctorex]

Christ's pre-existence is quite plainly addressed in many, many scriptures.

Yes, Christ did claim God as his Father, this is true.

When Christ said "I AM" they understood what RW does not, the Jews in Christ's day understood that He was claiming to be the "I AM" of the OT.

(I realize these verses won't convince you....)

1 Corinthians 10:3-5 (King James Version)
3 And did all eat the same spiritual meat;

4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.

5 But with many of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness.



I hope it doesn't take the full 1260, to convince yourself that RW is a false prophet.

The two identifying signs for the Two Witnesses,will be turning rivers to blood and slaying people who try to harm them and stop them from continuing their ministry.

RW has done neither, nor will he ever do either. I realize nobody's trying to kill him. Sadly I fear he will continue his merry way for the next 3 1/2 years, with zero signs, and people will still follow him. Yes, their are earthquakes and fires and floods, we've always had them, Christ said we would have these down to the end of the age, so yes, we have them, they will get worse as time goes on.

I fear that RW at the end of the 3 1/2 years will go to Jerusalem, and either sit there and wait for somebody to kill him, or try to force the issue by provoking the Muslims, probably by trying to force himself into the temple area.

Revelation says these Two Witnesses WILL TORMENT THE EARTH. They will torment the earth by turning rivers to blood, and pronouncing plagues on the world like Moses did. The modern descendents of Israel will go into national captivity, to which the Two Witnesses will say, just as Moses did, to let them go. The captors will not allow it, for the first 2 1/2 years, they will refuse to let them go, but at the start of the Day of the Lord, the captives will finally be allowed to leave.

I do not know if RW has claimed "responsibility" for any plagues...But he is certainly being lax about his job. He needn't wait 45 days or 90 days, to start sending out plagues, or turning rivers to blood. If that is his job, he should quite frankly start doing it now, not later.

What he should do, is explicitly state he is sending a plague to New York, a little hail, or a little fire, or turn the Hudson river to blood. Set a date for it, just like Moses did. And commit to his job. This idea of waiting, UNTIL SOMETHING HAPPENS FIRST, then looking back and claiming it, is ridiculous.



I ask this sincerely, at what point would you be convinced that he's a false prophet? Would the 90 days be enough? It should be emphasized that the 90 days IS A DATE HE HAS SET to prove his credentials.

Or will you wait out the full 1260 days?

PS. JUST WHEN IS THE PHYSICAL PART OF THE FIRST TRUMPET TO BE FULFILLED?

You know, the part that deals with 1/3 trees being burnt, and all grass being burnt, none of this substitution nonsense claiming something else actually fulfilled the 1st Trumpet sign.

You do realize, he's trying to wiggle out of that one already? By stating it will not happen until after Pentecost?






[edit on 17-5-2008 by SirPaulMuaddib]

[edit on 17-5-2008 by SirPaulMuaddib]

Originally posted by SirPaulMuaddib

The two identifying signs for the Two Witnesses,will be turning rivers to blood and slaying people who try to harm them and stop them from continuing their ministry.

You forgot the little thingy about stopping the rain..................

6These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.

7And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

The 12th mahdi (anti-christ) who will come from the well in Iran and kill them.......

reply to post by doctorex
yeah you're exactly right because if you look in the world news, everything corresond to what this guy has prophesied. I live in Chicago and we had an earthquake in Illinois that could be felt in Minnesota and Atlanta. Strange isn't it? Unexpected field fires and the weather is awful here. Give him to mid July to see if he's true to God or not but to say, I very well believe him.

This physical 1st Trumpet sign, in RW's own words, is to occur within the 90 period.


It should be noted, but sadly many RW supporters are happy to overlook it, HOW the fire, that will burn the 1/3 or all trees, and all the grass WILL BE CAUSED.

Note, what it says....let's disregard for a moment that RW and his supporters will be content with one state being burnt into the ground, rather than a world wide event.....

Note, here's what Revelation says is the method, by which the trees and grass will be burnt, I realize RW supporter will grab any fire, and claim it as the fulfillment...but notice....look!

Revelation 8:6-8 (King James Version)
7 The first angel sounded, and there followed hail and fire mingled with blood, and they were cast upon the earth: and the third part of trees was burnt up, and all green grass was burnt up.

God is often specific, here He tells you HOW IT WILL BE DONE. I realize RW will spiritualize away this part, but look and see...

It says that the burning will be caused by a hailstorm of fire, mixed with blood.

Do you believe what God says? Do you believe He will do it this way? Look at the fires in California or "X" (pick a city where fire has occurred). Was it caused by a hailstorm of fire mixed with blood? Surely this would make front page news if it had!! But no, the fires in California have NOT BEEN STARTED THIS WAY. You must toss out this "fulfillment card". It is bogus. It is not anywhere remotely a fulfillment of the sign. Do you think God is lax on the job? He said He would do it a certain way, but then decides....

"I'll just forget what I said, this should be enough to convince them!"?

Double check, did the sign get fulfilled according to prophesy? Did 1/3 of the trees get burnt up? Did all the grass get burnt up?
Did you notice that....ALL THE GRASS is supposed to be burnt up YET 2/3 of the trees DO NOT...This in itself should indicate the miraculous nature of this plague, where all the grass is burnt up, yet 2/3 of the trees survive, even though all the grass around it was burnt up. Has this happened anywhere yet? Anywhere? Doesn't have to be California! Let me know when it does.



ALSO.....understand this....when the "locust army" is released, down the line (at the 5th Trumpet), look at the special command they are given, and then understand why!

Revelation 9 (King James Version)
4 And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.

THEY ARE COMMANDED to not harm any green thing! Why? Why would that command be given?

IT IS BECAUSE OF THE 1ST TRUMPET DAMAGE.

So much damage will have been done by the 1st Trumpet, to the earth, that a special command to this army will have to be given. Lest all life be extinguished. This cannot be because of some "local" fire in some state! This event is worldwide, if not worldwide, then AT LEAST some entire country will have to "go up in smoke" for this to become an environmental issue that will effect all other life on the planet. Otherwise it makes no sense for this command to be given. Look, this army will be sent out to TORMENT THE EARTH for 5 whole months, I doubt that the commander who sends out this army is just being "green", for the sake of it. It will be necessary, otherwise all life would be extinguished, including the commander and his army.


60 DAYS AND COUNTING, LEFT FOR THE 1st TRUMPET SIGN!

Originally posted by Anonymous ATS
reply to post by doctorex

 

I live in Chicago and we had an earthquake in Illinois that could be felt in Minnesota and Atlanta. Strange isn't it? Unexpected field fires and the weather is awful here.

Before you accept any ole fire as fulfillment of the sign, please (I mean this sincerely), make sure if fulfills the sign according to what God says in His word (not according to what RW says).

Was there a hailstorm of fire mixed with blood?
Did 1/3 of the trees get burnt up?
Did all the grass get burnt up?

If it matches, let me know, because I don't want to miss this important sign.

[edit on 17-5-2008 by SirPaulMuaddib]

Ive explained this before. The reason why an earthquake can be felt in another state is because of the fault line. Fault lines do not just run through one state but many. So when two plates rub together of course your going to feel it else where. As for the field fires or forest fires, when it gets dry of course its going to get set ablaze, its nature. Ronald is fake hes just like a weather man and psychics. Just a logical guesser that hopes things will come true so people trust you.

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Let us examine Ronald Weinland’s predictions to date. All of the quotes provided are Weinland’s own words, taken from his books, his sermons, his blog posts, and in one case, Evangelist Wayne Matthews’ letter to a former follower of the church:

“The world will be shocked and in horror on the day the seventh seal is opened.” [pp. 23, 2008: God's Final Witness]
1:09:55 - 1:10:04 RW March 22 Sermon: “Just like what we believed that just last week here. Oh last week? 18th.” [someone laughs] “Yeah. The seventh seal was opened. Some, some write in the emails and say, Oh, nothing happened!” [Weinland makes mocking voice and there is laughter] “You know? Well you know? Did I say anything was going to happen on the 18th? It’s a spiritual thing. I thought I made that abundantly clear. But God made it quite clear through what he was giving…….”
“Before the Seventh (and final) Seal is opened, the Seven Thunders will become so pronounced that the validity of everything written about them in the previous chapter should roar loudly in the ears of anyone who is willing to admit the truth.” [pp. 115, 2008: God's Final Witness]
“1290: The Seventh Seal is opened and the Seven Thunders intensify particularly in the nations of Israel for the purpose of awakening spiritual Israel - the Church of God that was scattered.” [Letter from Wayne Matthews, March 18th]
“This first powerful event of the Seventh Seal will result in wide-spread destruction over the United States and beyond her border into Canada. The destruction in Canada will be less, but she will experience repercussions from what will happen in the U.S.; because she is a neighbor, as well as a prophetic brother.” [pp. 117 - 118, 2008: God's Final Witness]
1:53:20 “Three More Weeks” RW March 29 sermon: If by Pentecost I’m just going to make this real clear to everyone. If by Pentecost it is not powerfully and abundantly clear that there has been a great deal of destruction that will clearly encompass a third of all plant life in the US and at least the clear results of this mingled with blood the death of very much animal life and the beginning of large numbers of human life then I will stop preaching. Just so all the critics and everyone out there will understand. I am true to my word in these things. OK? And for all the critics if by the end of July and for most likely around Pentecost if nothing has clearly caused great destruction and death I will make it very clear that I was a false prophet. I will do exactly what I said I would do on aaaaall those interviews that I have held. To do less. Well. Would be quite insane.”
“Well the first time they will [blame the burning up of the plants and grass on global warming] but when uh nuclear weapons go off they can’t blame that on uh global warming. During this first stage the forty-five days to ninety days that’s exactly what people will do. You’re exactly right . But after that period of time it’s going to it’s going to change dramatically as things of terrorism begin to take place in this country because we have four trumpets that are going to take place here over six months to a year’s period of time and as they take place it’s going to bring this, the United States here to demise.” [Mike McConnell Show, April 5, 2008]
“We will be in Jerusalem on April 17th which is the day the First Trumpet of the Seventh Seal sounds. The process of all that will occur, with the sounding of the First Trumpet, will begin on April 17th and continue to increase in destructive power (consequences) for the following seven weeks. The Second Trumpet will not sound until after the Day of Pentecost. This does not mean it is near that date, but it means it cannot happen until after that day.[Ronald Weinland Blog Post, April 11, 2008]
37:25 - 37:40 RW April 12 Sermon “God’s Love is Coming”:

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The reason why this particular earthquake was felt in Chi-town and Hot-lanta, is because the New Madrid fault line is such a dormant fault that it rarely quakes moderate or high quakes. The soil is undesturbed and the landscape east of the rockies is flatter and it makes the shockwave travel faster and longer. If a magnitude 7 or 8 hit the New Madrid Fault, St. Louis would be destroyed, Memphis would be destroyed, Chicago would have structural damage, Birmingham would have damage and the quake would be felt from Kansas to New York and from Canada to Florida. If that were to happen, I think we could start blowing that first trumpet.

Originally posted by SirPaulMuaddib
Christ's pre-existence is quite plainly addressed in many, many scriptures.

Yes, Christ did claim God as his Father, this is true.

When Christ said "I AM" they understood what RW does not, the Jews in Christ's day understood that He was claiming to be the "I AM" of the OT.

(I realize these verses won't convince you....)

1 Corinthians 10:3-5 (King James Version)
3 And did all eat the same spiritual meat;

4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.

5 But with many of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness.

You seem to be missing one particular word in that passage.... FOLLOWED. The things and events the Israelites witnessed and participated in, coming out Egypt, the passover, the sacrifices, were all physcial symbols of the spiritual events of Christ and his life and work, who was to follow

As for the rest of your statement, you don't seem to know what RW has actually said or hasn't said, so there's no point in debating it with you. For example you say that the earthquake and the cyclone were not exactly predicted to happen by RW, when they were. In the sermon after April 17th Ron Weinland mentioned the earthquake in the Ohio area, and said that he had prayed to God for more to come in America, which is happening, and that the thunders of Revelation were about to really intensify, and among theose thunders is earthquakes and nataural disaters. Within a month the death toll was at roughly 100,000. RW also said that starting from the 17th of April, the Satan would enter the pope, and he will start saying and changing things. Within the last few weeks already, what have we heard out of the vatican? Aliens exist and and evolution is a more likely creation...

www.catholicnews.com...

news.bbc.co.uk...

Time will tell if RW is false prophet, but it seems he is on track so far, you're just too blind by your own doctrine to see it, becuase things aren't happening the way you believe it should, but God doesn't really care how you think it should play out. It is I who hopes its doesn't take 1260 days for you realise this.


[edit on 19/5/08 by doctorex]

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Time will tell if RW is false prophet, but it seems he is on track so far, you're just too blind by your own doctrine to see it, becuase things aren't happening the way you believe it should, but God doesn't really care how you think it should play out. It is I who hopes its doesn't take 1260 days for you realise this.

You need to turn the mirror around and look into it, because here's my position, I read and expect the event to occur the way GOD SAID IT, not the way I said it, nor the way RW says it. You on the other hand are content with accepting what RW says it should be.

If God said the first trumpet involves A, B, C, D (etc...all mentioned above and numerous other times), you are content to accept E, F, G, H, which do not comply with the sign.

If Christ said he would be in the grave exactly 3 DAYS, I expect Christ to keep his word, not because I say so, but because he is faithful.

Now of course traditional Christianity accepts the falsehood that Christ was in the grave 1 and 1/2 days AND STILL ACCEPT HIM, when they should reject him (of course the Good Friday / Easter Sunday tradition is utter falsehood).

The point is this, I expect God to do exactly what he say, and to fulfill the signs exactly as he says.

I hope you see the complete and utter lack of any 1st Trumpet fulfillment, as a "sign" of things to not come.

Do not accept RW based on his word, or based on him saying he prayed for this or that. Wait until he's more definitive in his timing, I realize you will simply discount this, and accept any "method", but you shouldn't.
What if he said he looked into a crystal ball? Or cast tea leaves? Would you accept that? Or realize this is not how a true prophet works.

When the 1st Trumpet sign doesn't come within the 90 days, will you still believe? I ask this sincerely and hope if nothing, you answer that.

I'm not being sarcastic when I ask, will you accept any fire? Even if it doesn't conform to the specifics for the sign, as it is in Revelation?

The sign (that is the 1st Trumpet sign) has not come these 30 days, RW HAD TO translate this into something else (start of his ministry and pope's visit).

Christ GAVE SIGNS. Signs are not evil in themselves, it's THE ASKING for them that can be evil (if your attitude is evil). When John the Baptist sent his disciples to Christ, HE (John) ask for confirmation. Christ replied with a list OF SIGNS (sick being healed, demons cast out, gospel preach).

So far, the SPECIFIC SIGNS they DO NOT MATCH.

If Moses pronounced a plague of blood, and it hailed instead, would he still be a true prophet or a false prophet. You do realize the Pope will eventually be able to call down fire from the sky, and this is going to be literal? ("in the sight of men"). I hardly thing the Pope will "outdo" the real Two Witnesses, they too will send plagues of blood, and fire will come out their mouthes.

THE 1ST TRUMPET SIGN HAS NOT APPEARED, NOR HAS THE SIGNS SPECIFIED FOR THE TWO WITNESSES APPEARED.

I accept God will do it just as he says, unfortunately RW followers are content with "alternates".





[edit on 20-5-2008 by SirPaulMuaddib]

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I just read his upcoming trips diary and it seems he has no idea what he is suppossed to do. Gods 'final' witness, with all authority and power to bring calamity to the earth with the words of his mouth, is out and about flying to cities to do wee talks and lectures to a few baptised believers.

Sorry I sound cynical but heck, I was expecting a Prophet, (not a 'Profit') who was 100% accurate, demanded authority and held authority.
He says.....

" Over the coming months, planning visits to specific areas will become more difficult as destructive events strike in different locations."........

Which months, which areas, whats events and where? Not a single; even remotely specific clue.
Hang, I'm not the Prophet, but I can say with 100% certainty that I could not plan to travel to specfic areas (but I'm sorry I can't reveal those to you...), due to certain events that will happen (but I can only reveal what those events are after they have happened) in specific locations (that I cannot reveal because even though I'm a prophet - I don't know!). Sorry, its getting more rediculous by the day.

But! He might be right. there's still three weeks plus for events of increasing intensity to produce themselves. By now we should have had something worse than China but nothing has happened yet. Forget China though, it wasn't even on RW's list. Either was Burma. And for a tiny wee tremor in the USA that got a few faithful excited- get real guys, hardly an earthshattering event. So nothing that even resembles a disaster has happened to the USA/Canada/Australia/NZ or the UK since April 17th and now we have three plus weeks left for increasing disaster. Increasing... note this word; increasing....we haven't had anything to increase from yet!
USA disasters = 0 (I was going to mention Hillary but she doesn't really count as a disaster)
Canada disasters = 0
NZ disasters = 0
UK disasters = 0
Australia disasters = 0 (and the rice failure has happened before... but the earth has been burnt up...there you go Ron, evidence at last!)

For you hardcore believers... produce the evidence please, or will we hear a deafening silence like that from RW.

Remember RW said clearly his job started on April 17th. We'll he's either been sacked, made redundant or went to the wrong office because nothing has been produced, reproduced or deduced only reduced...

Please God, let mid June come quicker and put these poor souls out of their misery!

Let's look at how false prophets work and how true prophets work.

A false prophet declares himself to be a prophet BEFOREHAND, and sets out to fulfill his proclamation.

A true prophet DOES THE WORK, then LOOKS BACK AT THE FRUITS of his labors.

Is this something I made up? Look at Christ, before his ministry, he NEVER DECLARED HIMSELF ahead of time to be the Messiah.

He did the work he was supposed to do, and when others asked, he didn't just say that he was the Messiah. He said to LOOK BACK....and see the fruits of his labors. The bible says "by their fruits you will know".

Christ didn't set this pattern and not follow it himself. He complied. When John asked for confirmation, Christ essentially said to look at the fruits. (dead raise, sick healed, demons cast out, gospel preached).

RW expects people to believe without looking back at the fruits.

He will translate and transform a sign into something else when it is not fulfilled according to his schedule. On what basis should a Christian accept that?

If Moses on Monday pronounced frogs on Egypt and flies came instead, should we accept that?

If on Tuesday, he pronounced boils, and hail came instead, should we have accepted that?

If Christ was in the tomb 5 days, when he said it would be 3, shouldn't we reject him as savior?



Also note what God does, He does three things, you see this in the entirety of the old testament.
He will...
1) Be exact and specific on times
2) OR be exact and specific on detail
3) or BOTH

All 10 plagues from Moses were
1) exact on times
2) exact on details
All fulfilled according to schedule + details

A FALSE PROPHET HAS TO BE CONTENT WITH AMBIGUITY.

This is why RW can not, and never will set specific dates, or specific times, statistically he may get some "hits", but Moses was 10 for 10, in both times and details. RW will never do this.

Unfortunately, the claim that RW detractors are "limiting God", is quite untrue. It is the RW supporters who are limiting God, because they refuse to believe God will do it the way He said He would. God, has the THE WHOLE ROAD MAP written down in Revelation, for all to see just HOW HE WILL DO IT. I and many others simple BELIEVE GOD. They are not limiting God, they believe God will do it JUST AS HE SAID, while RW supporters are content with alternates.


MINUS 60 DAYS AND COUNTING.

God set certain sign posts, while we do not know the timings of all the seals and signs, He set up certain sign posts, enough to know so you will act according (ie flee).


The sign posts are:
1) 1290 days - Armies of Beast Power surround Jerusalem (this is when Church flees into place of safety)
2) 1260 days - Great Tribulation begins (Church settled and protected)
3) Sun/Moon sign signals LAST YEAR (of 3 1/2 years)
4) Two Witnesses executed (3 1/2 days left till they are resurrected)


NONE HAVE BEEN FULFILLED YET