Ronald Weinland (nothing yet...)

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Greetings jd.....I must say I agree with you in principle,however,when I witness the resolve demonstrated by RW my feeling is to allow for the manefestation of his claims which,at this time have not run their course...I have reached a stage in my existance where my fear is directed toward God and his judgement....And from that I will draw the courage to stand up to any man...Be he an agressor or a false prophet...

About a year ago, in radio interview, Ronald Weinland himself was saying that you can call him a false prophet by May 2008 if his prediction didn't comes thru.

It didn't.

So why are we still discussing this, the guy is a fraud, that bible verse this or that, the apocalypse this or that, all that is fraud.

Go back and live your lives...

Originally posted by PopeyeFAFL
About a year ago, in radio interview, Ronald Weinland himself was saying that you can call him a false prophet by May 2008 if his prediction didn't comes thru.

It didn't.

A quote would be nice.....a year can do a lot of things to one's memory.

Originally posted by gnipp gnopp
reply to post by SirPaulMuaddib_2

 

Originally posted by SirPaulMuaddib_2

This is the SAME PATTERN He will use with the Two End Time Witnesses.

[edit on 2-5-2008 by SirPaulMuaddib_2]

Interesting work on the pattern however, each time God told Moses and Aaron when and what to say along with when and what to do. Let's not forget that when Moses failed to follow God's instructions he was not permitted into the promised land.

The two witnesses are given full reign to strike the earth with plagues as often as they desire (Rev 11/16).

God seems to be using a different method of operation in the days to the two witnesses. Leaving this fact out of the pattern, skews the conclusion you've draw.

Nice history lesson though.

-Enjoy

Yes, you are correct that in the former case, Moses was doing as God instructed, while in the latter case The Two Witnesses have more free reign.

I (of course) did not say it would be done EXACTLY the same, but the pattern would be the same.

that is...
1) witnessing to world leaders (and of course the world in general)
2) Pronouncing Judgment to be Executed immediately or on a specific date.
3) It happens at the appointed time.

As a general "rule of thumb", so to speak...
Regarding OT prophecies, God is either 100% specific and exact as far as timing OR 100% exact on the detail of what will happen OR as with the case of Moses, 100% exact and detailed as far as the plague + timing.

By that I mean, a true prophet is NOT going to do this...
Pronounce some ambiguous plague, to happen at some ambiguous time.
So that when "it"occurs, he'll raise his hand and say "Yeah, that was me, I did that". This is basically what RW is doing.

Now if RW stated:
NYC ....get ready...this Monday, I will send a plague of hail.
And it occurred then I would take notice.


And as mentioned RW SHOULD NOT HAVE TO WAIT ON GOD. God "TOLD HIM" he (RW, if he is one of the two witnesses), THAT HE HAS FREE REIGN TO DO AS HE (RW) PLEASES.

Now to the issue of his wife being the witness to RW's WITNESS, this quite frankly is a lot of baloney. The true TWO WITNESSES will BOTH be witnessing of God. There's not going to be one spokesman and one witness to the spokesman.



The pattern of Moses and Elijah is there for a reason, God is showing you what to expect of these Two Witnesses.

1) Moses - exact plagues pronounced / exact timings pronounced.
2) Elijah - fire came down out of heaven at his word, immediately

The TWO SIGNATURE characteristics, that are explicitly specified for the Two, are
1) turning rivers to blood like Moses.
2)"breathing fire" + immediate death of enemies like with Elijah.

Of course RW has done neither, nor will he ever do either.

reply to post by gnipp gnopp


Greetings GG.....My question to you would be,with respect to the two witnesses,The free rieign that will be granted to them will be exercised at will...Would it be presumtuous to think that these judgements will be meated out as a result of cause..and not any personal ill will...Cause being a failure to repent....

WEEK 3 : NOTHING.

1) 1 / 3 of trees that are to be burnt still here
2) grass still here
3) no rivers of blood
4) no breathing fire.


What is sad is that these things will come eventually, but after a false prophet crying wolf, people will discard the warning when it comes.



[edit on 8-5-2008 by SirPaulMuaddib]

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Sadly much of the world is blind to even the thought of the end times, those who are somewhat aware have been mislead into the rapture lie, and a very few who do watch and wait keep looking for the "big" thing to happen, so they can say, yes that's it..............

The signs are all around, just buried among the media idiots who are clueless morons.............

The tribulation countdown has begun. Earthquakes, storms, floods, tsunamis, tornado's, the entire idiot "green" movement, open "gay" marrage is a sign. "giving and recieveing in marrage" just like in noah's time and in Sodom.........

Read, repent, find God..............keep the sabbath, the holy days, and the commendments......................the end is near..................

Helio is right. And for those who don't know what the true holy days are, I will list them for you. I am going to start a thread in BTS about the true holy day feasts and the deceptive pagan holidays most christians celebrate today.

First and foremost, the weekly sabbath is on the 7th day of the week, which is Saturday. Sunday has replaced the sabbath because of the Roman Catholics bringing more pagans into christianity and distinguishing christianity from Judaism.

Passover, which was replaced by the catholics with the pagan holiday of easter, is the day we celebrate Jesus' sacrifice on the cross. The bread and wine are symbolism for his flesh and blood. The Last Supper was an example of how to celebrate the christian Passover. It was commanded in Leviticus 23:5 and observed by Jesus and the apostles in Matthew 26:2, 17-19; Mark 14:12-16; Luke 2:41-42; 22:1, 7-20; John 2:13, 23; 6:4; 13:1-30; 1 Corinthians 11:23-29.

Feast of Unleavened Bread is a holy day that described the haste in which the Israelites left Egypt in such haste they didn't let the bread rise. It was commanded in Leviticus 23:6-8 and observed by Jesus and his apostles in Matthew 26:17; Mark 14:12; Luke 2:41-42: 22:1, 7; Acts 20:6; 1 Corinthians 5:6-8.

Feast of Pentecost was the day God miraculously granted His Spirit to the New Testament Church and is a continuous reminder that God is the Lord of His harvest, choosing and preparing the firstfruits of His coming Kingdom by granting them His Spirit. This Holy Day is commanded in Leviticus 23:15-22 and is observed by Jesus and his apostles in Acts 2:1-21; 20:16; 1 Corinthians 16:8.

Feast of Trumpets celebrates the coming Kingdom by sound of a trumpet. The trumpet sounds to announce special messages. This feast is symbolism for the announcement of the return of the Messiah on earth. This day also pictures the time when faithful Christians who have died will be resurrected to life for 1,000 years. It was also this time of the year (Late summer, early fall) that Jesus was born- not on Dec. 25, and the fall feast season represents the time when Christ will come to the earth again to reign in glory. This Holy Day was commanded in Leviticus 23:23-25 and observed by Jesus and his apostles in Matthew 24:30-31; 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17; Revelation 11:15 though the holy day is not mentioned by name in the New Testament, the holy day was celebrated as referenced.

Day of Atonement is observed by fasting, refraining from eating or drinking, this day represents humanity's need to be reconciled to God through the forgiveness of sin. At the return of Christ, Satan the devil, who now leads mankind astray, will be bound so the nations can be reconciled to the Father through Christ. Luke referred to this observance as "the fast" in Acts 27:9. This Holy Day is commanded in Leviticus 23:26-32 and is observed by Jesus and his Apostles in Acts 27:9.

Feast of Tabernacles is also known as the Feast of Ingathering to mark this great harvest period, pictures the 1,000 year rule of Jesus Christ immediately following his return to the earth known as the Millenium and is a 7 day feast. It is commanded in Leviticus 23:33-43 and is observed by Jesus and the apostles in John 7:1-2, 8, 10, 14; Acts 18:21.

Last Great Day is the final holy day feast and is the 8th day of Feast of Tabernacles. It is also known as the eighth day. It pictures the great judgment of humankind described in Revelation 20:11-13. During this time all people who have died not knowing God's plan for them will be resurrected to life to be given an opportunity to respond to God's call. Thus it represents the completion of the spiritual harvest of mankind. This holy day is commanded in Leviticus 23:36 and was observed by Jesus Christ and his apostles in John chapters 7-9.


Our creator wants "all men to be saved" (1 Timothy 2:4) and is "not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance" (2 Peter 2:21), to "walk just as He walked" (1 John 2:6). They followed Christ's command to teach converts to "observe all things that I [Jesus] have commanded you" (Matthew 28:19-20).

Originally posted by theodorej
reply to post by gnipp gnopp

 

Greetings GG.....My question to you would be,with respect to the two witnesses,The free rieign that will be granted to them will be exercised at will...Would it be presumtuous to think that these judgements will be meated out as a result of cause..and not any personal ill will...Cause being a failure to repent....

I believe that God chastises those he loves. It's for their betterment. Those that follow God would do and have done the same. Why would God give such great power and responsibility to people that hold grudges, bitterness or ill will? Those are fruits of a wrong spirit. Anyways that's the way I see it.

-Later

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Do you consider the symbolic meaning of the Feast of Unleavened Bread for Christians to be that after being forgiven of sin (passover), one strives not to harbor or partake of sin (with leavening or yeast being a symbol of sin)?

-Later



[edit on 8-5-2008 by gnipp gnopp]

Yes, this is the meaning of it.

[edit on 9-5-2008 by SirPaulMuaddib]

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Greetings GG.....I agree with you that God would never give such unbridled power to a person with such a spirit.....I must say that,having listened to RWs recent sermon...I came away with an impression that he was harboring ill will for some of his critics or as RW called them mockers of God....Please clear this up if you can....Perhaps I heard him wrong ??

Originally posted by gnipp gnopp

Originally posted by theodorej
reply to post by gnipp gnopp

 

Greetings GG.....My question to you would be,with respect to the two witnesses,The free rieign that will be granted to them will be exercised at will...Would it be presumtuous to think that these judgements will be meated out as a result of cause..and not any personal ill will...Cause being a failure to repent....

I believe that God chastises those he loves. It's for their betterment. Those that follow God would do and have done the same. Why would God give such great power and responsibility to people that hold grudges, bitterness or ill will? Those are fruits of a wrong spirit. Anyways that's the way I see it.

-Later

Originally posted by theodorej
reply to post by gnipp gnopp

 

Greetings GG.....I agree with you that God would never give such unbridled power to a person with such a spirit.....I must say that,having listened to RWs recent sermon...I came away with an impression that he was harboring ill will for some of his critics or as RW called them mockers of God....Please clear this up if you can....Perhaps I heard him wrong ??

This seems to be an ongoing problem with Mr. Weinland, confusing the difference between speaking out against him personally , and his confusing that as though one were mocking God, or, mocking, as it were, the church as a whole. He has already threatened anyone who would do that. I believe they were to die a painful, slow death?

I don't doubt that Mr. Weinland is filled with anger, that is to be expected of such people who operate completely outside the will of God. Just as it is no surprise to the ill-well threats that have been coming from his lips.

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I think I must respectfully DISAGREE here. Does the New Testament not have value?

Galatians 4:9-11 (New International Version)
9But now that you know God—or rather are known by God—how is it that you are turning back to those weak and miserable principles? Do you wish to be enslaved by them all over again? 10You are observing special days and months and seasons and years! 11I fear for you, that somehow I have wasted my efforts on you.

Galatians 5 (New International Version)
4You who are trying to be justified by law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace. 5But by faith we eagerly await through the Spirit the righteousness for which we hope. 6For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision has any value. The only thing that counts is faith expressing itself through love.

Colossians 2:15-17 (New International Version)
16Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. 17These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ.

Ephesians 2:14-16 (New International Version)
14For he himself is our peace, who has made the two one and has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility, 15by abolishing in his flesh the law with its commandments and regulations. His purpose was to create in himself one new man out of the two, thus making peace, 16and in this one body to reconcile both of them to God through the cross, by which he put to death their hostility.

www.biblegateway.com...

There is only ONE LAW we must abide: LOVE; To love God and one-another.

BUT, it is also to follow your faith. If yolu believe in it, you'd better do it.

So, if you believe that their are restrictions and orders, then you had better follow them.

Is it any less "special" to celebrate god and His Son on a Tuesday? a Friday?

Do you also abstain from certain foods, even though we have been told (New Testament) that all is clean?

I think too many people get wrapped up in the parts that are not important and forget about the TRUE message: Faith. Hope. Love. "and the Greatest of these is Love".

Originally posted by enigma77
reply to post by Locoman8

 

I think I must respectfully DISAGREE here. Does the New Testament not have value?

Galatians 4:9-11 (New International Version)
9But now that you know God—or rather are known by God—how is it that you are turning back to those weak and miserable principles? Do you wish to be enslaved by them all over again? 10You are observing special days and months and seasons and years! 11I fear for you, that somehow I have wasted my efforts on you.

That verse is taken out of context. The Galatians were gentiles, they were never under the law of God, they served other gods and other laws and days. Read the previous verse...

8 Howbeit then, when ye knew not God, ye did service unto them which by nature are no gods.

This is what Paul was talking about them going back to.

Galatians 5 (New International Version)
4You who are trying to be justified by law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace. 5But by faith we eagerly await through the Spirit the righteousness for which we hope. 6For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision has any value. The only thing that counts is faith expressing itself through love.

Nobody is trying to justify themselves by following the Law, they are simply doing so because they want to show their love for God, through obeying him.

Colossians 2:15-17 (New International Version)
16Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. 17These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ.

That is right, these things are between us and God.

Ephesians 2:14-16 (New International Version)
14For he himself is our peace, who has made the two one and has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility, 15by abolishing in his flesh the law with its commandments and regulations. His purpose was to create in himself one new man out of the two, thus making peace, 16and in this one body to reconcile both of them to God through the cross, by which he put to death their hostility.

This must be read in context. It is talking about the commandments and regulations for seperation of the Israelites and the Gentiles, read the previous verses...

11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.

Originally posted by enigma77

There is only ONE LAW we must abide: LOVE; To love God and one-another.

Yes, but how do you show your love for God? By obeying him.

Originally posted by enigma77
So, if you believe that their are restrictions and orders, then you had better follow them.

Is it any less "special" to celebrate god and His Son on a Tuesday? a Friday?

Do you also abstain from certain foods, even though we have been told (New Testament) that all is clean?

I think too many people get wrapped up in the parts that are not important and forget about the TRUE message: Faith. Hope. Love. "and the Greatest of these is Love".

If it was important enough for Jesus and the Apostles to observe these days, such as the Sabbath, Passover, Pentecost (there are even accounts of the apostles observing these days after the death of Jesus), then I would consider it important. Afterall, doesn't the book of Zecariah, a book about the end times and the coming kingdom of God to this earth, talk about even Gentiles observing the feast of Tabernacles, and that those who don't will be punnished?

ZECHARIAH 14:16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.
17 And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.
18 And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain ; there shall be the plague, wherewith the LORD will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.

I think it is important, and it is all part of the commandment of love, our love toward God, which Jesus said was the most most important commanment...

MATTHEW 22:35 Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying,
36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38 This is the first and great commandment.

We have to ask ourselves, how do we show love toward God?

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Matt 5:17-18 it does not get any more clear than this...............

17Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

18For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

How can anyone misread this statement from Jesus himself?

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Greetings HP....Absolutely!!....I have heard rationale on all sides of that scripture,but is still very plain to me.....No Law has been done away with giving exception to animal sacrafice...

Originally posted by theodorej
reply to post by gnipp gnopp

 

Greetings GG.....I agree with you that God would never give such unbridled power to a person with such a spirit.....I must say that,having listened to RWs recent sermon...I came away with an impression that he was harboring ill will for some of his critics or as RW called them mockers of God....Please clear this up if you can....Perhaps I heard him wrong ??

I know of which sermon you speak. It would be presumptuous of me to speak for RW. Theodorej, I would suggest you inquire of God and/or RW personally. I would like to point out an observation though. If he is one of the two witnesses then he would not harbor ill will. If he does then he is not one of the two.

Simple yes, but the crux of it is that God has given it to each to decide for themselves what they perceive. I'm surprised, honored and humbled that you feel I may be of value to you in this, however I can only tell you of my perceptions from my choice. You know that I believe him. I heard his words in the context of hate the sin but love the sinner and in the context of God doesn't take it lightly when someone hurts His people, especially the babes in Christ.

The man he used as an example of rotting from the inside out hurt many people and the significants of how and when he died means a lot. I feel that man mocked God, as much as Nick, T8 and many here feel RW has mocked God (and I find it interesting that many await a similar judgement to befall RW). So what of hate the sin/ love the sinner? I would say that God set an example for these times which is mentioned above.

Placed against the backdrop of what I perceive happening for this world, it is a serious matter of what's in the hearts of men and women. I think you believe this also, hence your question of RW's heart.

That's how I see it in my heart from the choice I made. I wish the best for you in making your choice.

-Later Partner

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You and the remaining posts after took the words right out of my mouth. I was ready to blast out the fact that Paul was speaking to the gentiles and that those days they observed were pagan rituals and such. It's funny how people just find a line in the bible and call that proof when all one needs to do is read on and see the deeper meaning. Through the faithful keeping of commandments, we show our love to God. Those Holy Days I laid out in the previous post are considered God's "Holy Day Plan" in which throughout the harvest year, you learn the ultimate plan for humankind. What kind of understanding do you get from Christmas or Easter? Even if you considered the masked christian morals (Christ's birth, ressurrection), you still have Easter bunnies and Santa Clause which defeat the purpose of those days. Christians never celebrated birthdays, only the days of death, which is why Christ is celebrated in death, not in birth with early christians through the passover.