Ronald Weinland (nothing yet...)

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You ask me if the new testament has any value and I answer back by saying, yes it does. Then I ask you if the old testament still holds any value? You need to realize that just because Jesus died for our sins does not mean it makes the old testament fufilled or obsolete. I am speaking of the holy days that God himself commanded and Jesus with the apostles celebrated. Jesus didn't command a celebration of his birth or a celebration of his ressurrection. He did, however tell us that his death would be the sacrifice for his father's passover. That's why he is called the Lamb of God. He was the sacrificial lamb of passover. He was hung on the cross on passover and was ressurrected during the feast of unleavened bread. His death brought a deeper meaning to these holy days and did by no means add new holy days. The days you know as Christmas and Easter are buried in pagan traditions which violates God's commandment, "Thou shall worship no other gods but Me, for I am a jeoulous God." By easter egg hunting, you are contributing to the celebration of fertility... by waiting for Santa Clause, you are celebrating the immoral celebration of the god Saturn by exchanging gifts with one another and becoming greedy with the traditions set forth by the catholics and pagans. Though the birth of Christ was an important event in christian history, it was never meant to be celebrated again. It was never celebrated by Jesus or the apostles. The early church never even celebrated it. It wasn't until the catholic church came about that birthdays were even celebrated in christianity.

Originally posted by daggyz
If a major event happens just one day after his date provided - he is still wrong.
Now about the earthquakes and the mention that a wee one of 5.4 was 'the sign', good grief people hundreds occur all the time, most we cant feel. A significant one of 7.5 occurred on 8th April near Vanuatu but of course that one was too early. Based on current data I predict one of at least 6.8 will occur somewhere in the worldbefore RW's date on June. It's just a statisical fact, not a prophecy. But if say, San Francisco, Wellington or Nagasaki were to be hit by an 8.3 before that date, then there would be a coincidencal comparison that would require some serious thought. However, it would be one earthquake and a whole disasterous serious of events will have to occur as a sign as others have eluded to....

Originally posted by daggyz
If a major event happens just one day after his date provided - he is still wrong.

You're mistaken that he said everything would happen on April 17th. This is the date the first trumpet is blown, with the consequences following...

April 3, 2008

My wife and I, as well as Johnny and Myrtle Harrell, will be visiting Israel from April 14th through April 21st. We will be in Jerusalem on April 17th which is the day the First Trumpet of the Seventh Seal sounds. The process of all that will occur, with the sounding of the First Trumpet, will begin on April 17th and continue to increase in destructive power (consequences) for the following seven weeks. The Second Trumpet will not sound until after the Day of Pentecost. This does not mean it is near that date, but it means it cannot happen until after that day.

ronaldweinland.com...

Seen many bad events in the past couple of weeks? Oh, only a nearly 100,000 killed in a cyclone in burma, now 10,000 killed in earthquake in china, earthquakes rattling reno, need I go on? Oh but 100,000 people die in natural disaters all the time don't they, simply coincidence, nothing to see here, move along...

Originally posted by daggyz
I checked the link for the date of pentecost but guess what! It doesn't exist as it wont connect? I maintain that the date RW gave for pentecost is incorrect by the normal and proven yearly calculations for it. Anyway enough said about that, if he's wrong he's wrong, just one more thing that everyone will ingnore until June passes. If a major event happens just one day after his date provided - he is still wrong. Will you agree to that?

Now about the earthquakes and the mention that a wee one of 5.4 was 'the sign', good grief people hundreds occur all the time, most we cant feel. A significant one of 7.5 occurred on 8th April near Vanuatu but of course that one was too early. Based on current data I predict one of at least 6.8 will occur somewhere in the worldbefore RW's date on June. It's just a statisical fact, not a prophecy. But if say, San Francisco, Wellington or Nagasaki were to be hit by an 8.3 before that date, then there would be a coincidencal comparison that would require some serious thought. However, it would be one earthquake and a whole disasterous serious of events will have to occur as a sign as others have eluded to....

So China was hit with a large one. I predicted that. Does that means I have more credibility than RW? Of course not. It wasn't in the USA, the ground isn't burnt up in the USA. 1/3 of all animals in the USA haven't died. Theodorej eluded to a small earthquake as a 'sign'. They happen all the time as I had mentioned earlier. Burma,China, Argentina.... they aren't the USA which RW says will be hit. Still, there's four weeks left for SanFran to be hit with a 7.6 and above or even better...New York and I don't say that because I don't like New York I say that because they don't get many earthquakes 1884 and 1994 they had a small one. Now that would be RW being accurate. But even so I'll give him credit for saying tht things will escalate in the seven weeks after 17th April. Well we've had two disasters world wide so getting worse would have to be annialation of western countries cities.

RW also said "Beginning in February, those thunders will increase dramatically, and by April this world will begin to be shaken to its foundations." There was nothing in February and by April nothing happened before the end of March.
The key will be increase in frequency an intensity. So lets see....
... how about Houston Texas, and earthquake of 5.8 on 23th May.. a tsunami to hit Hawaii on 27th May, a biological terrorist attack in Canada on 1st June and a meteorite hitting the States again on the southern coastline on the 3rd June with Auckland NZ exploding with a volcano on the 8th June.
Now that would be increasing in intensity and frequency and all that in addition to the minor cyclones, earthquakes, bombs and market falls.

Seeing as I'm specific and RW is not (at all) he has more chance of being right. But I did predict a 7.6 and above. So who's with me...anyone wnat to joiun my church?

The event EXPLICITLY SPECIFIED for the first trumpet is

A) 1 / 3 of trees burnt on earth (I take it to mean the entire earth)
B) All grass is burnt up or dried up.

NEITHER HAS HAPPENED.


All these other events, are part of the general signs for the end times, we've always had them, and always will have them, and yes, they will get worse as time goes on. The point is this : WE'VE ALWAYS HAD THEM, AND THEY DO NOT CONSTITUTE THE 1st TRUMPET EVENT.

That's right. I don't see any connection between RW and China, Bhurma, or even the tsunami that hit a few years ago. By the way the cyclone death toll is at 32,000... not 100,000. I fear that these disasters are a result of end-time prophecy being fufilled but by no means is it trumpet time. Here in west Georgia we have seen a record number of twisters, especially in the Carroll County area where I work. Twisters tore up the town of Bowdon, Carrollton, and other towns across the state a few days ago. I mentioned a month or so ago about downtown Atlanta getting hit by a twister. This is just where I live. I heard that an entire town was wiped off the map from an ef4 twister in Oklahoma or Missouri or somewhere in the mid-west. RW is too vague in his prophecy. I'll stick with Daniel, Jesus, and John.

reply to post by doctorex


Greetings Doctorex......The title of the book is 2008 Gods Final Witness...As I see it God may decide to tary...that is his perogative,but as far as RW is concerned...according to his own proclamation,IT HAS STARTED..4/17/2008..I would think his job as the end time witness has started with the opening of the 7th seal...Can we expect some evidence of his judgements to be of a physical nature or will they be of a spiritual nature....

If it didn't come to pass, he will call it spiritual nature instead of physical. 90% of revelation's prophecies haven't even occured yet and the trumpet has already sounded? Don't get me wrong, I think our time is up very shortly, but not by RW's timeline.

In a recent sermon, RW said he had no clue as to what
"turning rivers to blood" meant....and I thought

How sad that God "chose" and "prepared" a prophet that has no clue about what he's doing or what his job is.

The Great Tribulation starts at the 1260 day mark (that is 1260 days before Christ returns).

It does not start 45 days LATER or 90 days LATER. This is simply preposterous. God has withheld punishment on the world for the past almost 2000 years since Christ was born. When the 1260 days starts, they will be many OUTWARD VISIBLE signs to show it.


ps. WEEK 4 : STILL NOTHING
(Beginning to see a pattern here?)

[edit on 15-5-2008 by SirPaulMuaddib_2]

RW is also hedging his bets, he has now stated he will not declare himself a false prophet, he also has said that the physical stuff will not happen until after Pentacost. (I believe he was referring to the "first trumpet" stuff, ie the trees burning and grass burning, and not the "second trumpet".


AGAIN: WEEK 4 NOTHING.

[edit on 15-5-2008 by SirPaulMuaddib_2]

Well the way I see it is Ronald is no doubt a fake even if something does happen as he says it would only be because hes a good guesser. I mean ya i know i should be patient and wait till whenever or however long he prolongs his stories till something finally happens. As for the earthquakes the one in southern Illinois...that part of the U.S is on a huge fault line! bigger that of even California's. That part of the U.S has a major earthquake about every 1200 years(years might be off thats at the top of my head last time i checked). Once that happens from what scientists say is that Lake Superior is suppose to drain into Lake Michigan and flood Michigan, Indiana and flood into the Mississippi River. As for the earthquakes in China and probably California it happens i mean they are on fault lines to. Japan gets em. Twain gets them. I mean come on. Now if we get like a 12.0 earthquake then OK then ill believe the world is coming to and end. As for the increased weather patterns well the world is going through its major pole chance right now. Look it up. Well I am done boring you all I am sure someone will rebuttal my statements but oh well. I am only a student in college majoring in earth and space science as i want to study the earth and the universe. Well Goodbye all.

reply to post by Anonymous ATS


To previous earth science major poster...

If you catch this reply, I was wondering (while I have a earth major's ear), if you happened to know offhand how the earthquakes of this year, compared to last year? (ie...more or less of them, and average scales for them)

reply to post by Anonymous ATS


That's right. Earthquakes happen frequently in areas that they happen frequently in. Crikey, I'm suprised people actually don't see that!
Anyway the earth is winding down no doubt about that.
I still want to see disasters occuring weekly and with greater death tolls and only in the countries RW said they would occur... USA/UK/Canada/Australia/NZ etc.
If my previous predictions come true then I will call myself the almost nearly, apprentice to the third cousin of the man who knows the final witness!
What I'm waiting for is huge Tsunami to hit a western nation on the western coast and cover a city with 50,000+ dead. That would be revealing.

Hey, it all might happen yet but there are only four weeks left. If major major events don't happen (frequently in the next four weeks in those countries) RW will say its spiritual.
The only thing then that will prove to his flock that he's wrong is him dying (I eluded to that earlier) just like another Ron! That would prove it and end it. But lets wait till 15th June to hear him say "No I meant it was all spiritual" first before we see what happens to him.
If its true then good, God honours truth. But he also doesn't suffer fools for long.

As I've mentioned before, BEFORE THE 7TH SEAL...which contains the seven trumpet plagues, is the 6th seal.

WHAT HAPPENS AT THE OPENING OF 6TH SEAL? Has this happened yet?

Let's examine this...it is a physical event. Not only does Revelation mention it, but it's mentioned in a number of OT books, as well as the Gospels.

Let's be absolutely clear, because quite frankly the bible is crystal clear as to what happens that it mentions it ABOUT 9 TIMES. And gives mostly the same description regarding it.


Revelation 6 (King James Version)
12And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;

13And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

14And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.

So here we have
A) great WORLDWIDE earthquake (ver 14)
B) sun turning black (this CAN'T be an eclipse, I will explain logic as to why)
C) moon turns to blood red.
D) great meteor shower.

For B, I don't think this can be an eclipse, because it does not say the sun will be covered, it says the SUN ITSELF will turn black. Also, during an eclipse one can say the sun turns "black" because the moon is eclipsing it, but then if this is the case, then the moon IS NOT blood red, but black, so it doesn't fully match the sign correctly.


OK..here are some OT prophesies, that present the same thing (basically)


Isaiah 13:9-11 (King James Version)
9Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it.

10For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine.

11And I will punish the world for their evil, and the wicked for their iniquity; and I will cause the arrogancy of the proud to cease, and will lay low the haughtiness of the terrible.

This one ADDS one other aspect....The stars shall BLINK OUT

And note...WHEN THIS OCCURS, it occurs during the "Day of the Lord". THIS IS THE LAST YEAR, of the 3 1/2 years.











Joel 2:10 (King James Version)
10The earth shall quake before them; the heavens shall tremble: the sun and the moon shall be dark, and the stars shall withdraw their shining:


Joel here mentions the earthquake, as well as the stars blinking out.










Joel 2:30-32 (King James Version)
30And I will shew wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood, and fire, and pillars of smoke.

31The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and terrible day of the LORD come



Here Joel TELLS YOU WHEN this occurs, and it occurs JUST BEFORE the start of the "Day of the Lord", this event SIGNALS THE START OF THE LAST YEAR.





Joel 3:14-16 (King James Version)
14Multitudes, multitudes in the valley of decision: for the day of the LORD is near in the valley of decision.

15The sun and the moon shall be darkened, and the stars shall withdraw their shining.

16The LORD also shall roar out of Zion, and utter his voice from Jerusalem; and the heavens and the earth shall shake: but the LORD will be the hope of his people, and the strength of the children of Israel.









Mark 13:23-25 (King James Version)
23But take ye heed: behold, I have foretold you all things.

24But in those days, AFTER THE TRIBULATION, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light,

25And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken.


[CONTINUED]

Notice AGAIN...this event occurs AFTER the tribulation period (the first 2 1/2 year of the full 3 1/2 years, the last year being the "Day of the Lord" which lasts one full year).

When RW says the first trumpet has been blown, HE IS SAYING THE OPPOSITE OF WHAT GOD IS SAYING.

God says the trumpet is blown AFTER the tribulation. RW has stated it has been blown BEFORE THE TRIBULATION.

This tribulation is PHYSICAL not spiritual. Revelation says that those who have to go through it GIVE UP THEIR LIVES.

They are beheaded. So the guillotine will be brought back.









Matthew 24:28-30 (King James Version)
28For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.

29Immediately AFTER THE TRIBULATION of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:





Again...the WHEN....is AFTER the tribulation which most certainly has NOT OCCURED YET.





So the scriptures are quite plain without reading anything into it.

THIS SIXTH SEAL EVENT (which precedes the trumpet plagues) HAS NOT OCCURED.

If the 6th Seal has NOT BEEN OPENED, then MOST ASSUREDLY the 7th CAN NOT HAVE BEEN OPENED, the 7th seal is when the trumpet blasts are blown. SO THAT THESE CAN NOT HAVE HAPPENED EITHER.



Why anybody would follow RW amazes me. Based on HIS WORD ALONE, without one iota of confirming evidence of any kind (which most assuredly will follow the true Two Witnesses), many have been hood winked. That anyone would believe Christ didn't pre-exist, and preach that and that people would swallow this blasphemy hook, line and sinker, just boggles the mind.

I wouldn't follow him into the back yard, much less anywhere else.

There are parts of his books that are actually very educational and explains the problems with most christian or Abrahamic religions and the truth about certain things and I know it's because he was a member of the Worldwide Church of God before the split, but as far as his prophecy goes, he's already been proven wrong. If the trumpet has sounded and he's one of the witnesses, he should be witnessing non-stop in Jerusalem with mass-media attention for 1260 days while performing plagues of wonder and fear. All he's doing is running his mouth right now.

Originally posted by SirPaulMuaddib_2
In a recent sermon, RW said he had no clue as to what
"turning rivers to blood" meant....and I thought

How sad that God "chose" and "prepared" a prophet that has no clue about what he's doing or what his job is.

My goodness, that indeed should be revealing to everyone who follows Mr. Weinland. I have to agree, if God indeed has chosen Mr. Weinland as one of the end time witnesses, surely his understanding of the word would be more clearer.

On a side note, I came across another gentleman, via an email which someone sent me, who, through a study of scripture, has come away with June 8, 2008 as being the day which Jesus will call His church up.

For anyone who is interested in reading this study, just u2u and I will send it to you.

It seems the land is filled with Prophets.... everywhere

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So you are saying we should go out there and kill, steal, and commit adultery. There are 10 commandments not 9 and they are equally as important. If you break one you are guilty of breaking the whole lot.

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Jesus will call his church up after the tribulation because that's what the bible says. That means that prior to June 8, we have been in tribulation for the past 3 years, 5 months and 1 week? Hard to believe. We are just in the labor pains before the tribulation. All those who think Jesus will call you up before the tribulation ever begins, you are sadly mistaken because Jesus himself stated in the gospel that he would call his elect AFTER the tribulation. Read Matthew Chapter 24 if you don't believe me. Pre-trib rapture concept was conjured up in the late 19th century. Even the early church apostles preached about post-trib rapture. I assume this guy you speak of thinks a pre-trib rapture will happen on June 8 and then the tribulation will begin, right? June 8 might be the start of the tribulation but it's not the day of the rapture. Those of you more interested in the "rapture" topic should join in on my thread "The truth behind the "Rapture"". in the BTS spirituality and religion forum or just click on my name, visit my profile and have a direct link to that thread.

Originally posted by Locoman8
reply to post by jdposey

 

I assume this guy you speak of thinks a pre-trib rapture will happen on June 8 and then the tribulation will begin, right?

Yes, you are correct, the gentleman that I alluded to in the post does indeed state that the Rapture is to take place June 8th.

Back tracking, 20 years ago, there was another gentleman, Edgar C. Whisenant who advocated that the Rapture was to take place September 1988, publishing a small booklet entitled, 88 Reason Why The Rapture Will Be in 1988. Of course, Mr. Whisenant accumulated a lot of money from that book which he used to build his ministry and, when that date passed and his calculations failed, he republished and said he was mistaken, the Rapture would be in 1989. Of course, I don't think too many bought into his (re) calculations.

I am still of the opinion that as long as men continue to set specific dates, the Lord will see to it that nothing transpires on that calculated date.