War With Iran Has Begun 5/21/07

Its really going to happen isn't it?

Im in Canada so i realy have no say in what Americans do with there military.

But i have a feeling we might be getting dragged into this as well.

I know Harper
www.ctv.ca...

www.cbc.ca...

Canada's purchase and long-term support of 100 slightly used Leopard 2A6 battle tanks will be $1.3 billion — roughly double the Conservative government's initial public estimate last month.

As he detailed a laundry list of military hardware the Conservative government plans to buy over the next few years, Defence Minister Gordon O'Connor surprised the Commons Thursday by announcing there will be a 20-year, $650-million service contract attached to the tank deal

The army currently has 17 aging Leopard 1 tanks operating in Afghanistan, but they're not suitable for the hot, dusty climate, where temperatures reach 55 C during the day.

what is with this sudden need to expand canadian military?

Im sick of hearing about Canadians dieing over American propaganda.
i was under the impression that the rest of the country felt the same way.

Those that believed the official story were sorry for the americans that
9-11 happened. we supported your chase for Bin Laden, and now we have a huge foot in our defense departments door that is inconspicously trying to open it all the way.

I feel like screaming at the top of my lungs. especially at those that are trying to say that reporting about actions of the CIA should be considered treasonous. What other defense do we have againsts a treasonous government. If governments are so worried about the international exposer of information, then they should have thought about that before they accepted campaign promises to help globalise corporations including media outlets.

Stupid move on their part, maybe if they had all their ducks in a row...

Not this generation of politians, they are nothing but a bunch of drunks in expensive suits in high price hotels, trying desprately to shave enough wealth off the american tax payer that they might feel equal to the corporate vampires that own their weak pathetic butts.

and they have the nerve to give the public crap for getting in the way of thier filthy plans.

Originally posted by tom goose
Im sick of hearing about Canadians dieing over American propaganda.

Oh right, its all our fault. We forced you into it, right?

It is GLOBAL. That is why you are involved. GLOBALIST propaganda. GLOBALIST war.

Follow the money. We dont even control our own money, our own economy. Think bigger, think GLOBAL. Then blame yourself, not the US, and I promise in return not to blame you. You allow your nation to cater to the GLOBALIST war just as much we allow our nation to do the same.

if you don't bring the war to the opponent that means he brought it to you. then all your stuff gets blown up, and that's not cool.

Originally posted by DCP
if you don't bring the war to the opponent that means he brought it to you. then all your stuff gets blown up, and that's not cool.

Wow, far out man. That was deep.

Are you like, a General or something?

Originally posted by djohnsto77
I think the CIA has been trying to destabilize the Iranian theocratic regime for decades, so this isn't that earthshattering news.... *yawn*

But I do agree with the posters that news organizations shouldn't report stuff like this. They have the right to, but it's damn irresponsible, especially if sensitive information that would jeopardize the mission is revealed.

Come on guys...who really runs the news organizations? Answer: Your elected representatives.

This should only be something celebrate because Iran isn't stopping it's pursuit for an all out nuclear war against the United States. The United States should make a priority of preventing Iran from obtaining anymore WMDs, because they certainly plan on using them. Against who? Well it should be obvious based on the masses of thousands who gather round and chant "death to america' every week.
I would fully support the U.S. going to war with Iran NOW than later.

Originally posted by laiguana
This should only be something celebrate because Iran isn't stopping it's pursuit for an all out nuclear war against the United States.

With what, what are they going to attack you with, flying power plants ?

The United States should make a priority of preventing Iran from obtaining anymore WMDs, because they certainly plan on using them.

Let's supose they do get nuclear weapons even if I don't think this is the case, what are they going to do with 1 or 2 nuclear weapons?
If they use the nukes then others would nuke them and it would insure that iran lost so they would not gain anything by using nukes because 1 or 2 nukes against an arsenal of nukes that united states has there is no chance of wining but it is a sure way to total ensured loss, iran would be wiped off the map.
So I don't see your point.
If you think rational you would get it.

Against who? Well it should be obvious based on the masses of thousands who gather round and chant "death to america' every week.

Those are a bunch of idiots, just like the case with united states where other idiots bash united states for one single idiot george bush who gets other idiots to bash other countrys that has some idiots in them.
Idiots don't form countries only groups, and the world in general has plenty of them where ever you look no matter what country is.

I would fully support the U.S. going to war with Iran NOW than later.

I have been looking in general to your opinion on this forum.
If you support the war why don't you join the war and go fight it your self?
Why are you waiting for others to do what you want? when you can do it your self.


[edit on 24-5-2007 by pepsi78]

ABC has proven they are enemy combatants and traitors on this one. Releasing classified material that may kill brave U.S. warriors has been punished by death in the past. I recommend that the entire ABC staff be air dropped into Basra as a reward.

We should be glad that the warfare is clandestine rather than overt, if that can now be sustained after this. It's about time we unleashed the full power of our intelligence services on this problem. That is if there is any capability left after Clinton gutted the U.S. intelligence capabilities in favor of passive electronic listening devices.

It's not like the Iranians haven't been secretly killing Americans since their revolutionary days. They fund Hamas, who by the way slaughtered U.S. marines in Lebanon many years ago and who by the way are sending sophisticated bombs to their Shiite brethren in Iraq. I hope their leaders pay the full penalty for their evil. Justice deferred makes the heart grow sick.

^^ ignoring the propaganda above - please , you must be blinded by the flag and deafened by the pledge that you cannot see the truth in front of your very eyes.




hypohisis:

Israel launch a nuclear strike against iran using F-15`s repainted in US colours.... 1 gets shot down - the US gets the fallout , israel wins.


and yes they killed US sailors before so they will do anything they want.

just as they killed britsh nationals in terrorists acts.

Clickitty_clackitty: I enjoyed your post on the differences in cultures, and how we are un-earthing forbidden/hidden/fount scholars. It enlightened.

After reading that, I have to pinch myself to make sure I'm not dreaming.

Way Waay thumbs up!

And slaughter, you may be right. Ba!ba!bomb!

Originally posted by grimreaper797
I pay the income tax, and the gas tax, and social security tax, etc. I pay for a good deal of the taxes you do (assuming you are a property owner, I don't pay that one). Fact is though, even if they did benefit me, that doesn't make a difference.

And it doesn't make a diference that you pay taxes; that doesn't give you the right to know everything the government knows.

Your recourse is the ballot box.

Secrets are sometimes necessary. And grimreaper does't have the right to know all those secrets, unless he chooses a career path that puts him in position of authority.

You have to grow up and accept those facts.

And if you want to justify your love for the terrorists by calling yourself a "patriot", go ahead. You're not fooling anybody but yourself. The difference between you and me is, I'd make sure they received their rights (grudgingly), but you'd be falling all over yourself as you grovel up to them, saying "Love me! Love me! It was all my evil president's fault!"
[edit on 23-5-2007 by jsobecky]

My god, you sound like Giuliani and it's frightening. Who says terrorists and national security more, you or him? I like how you twist words like that to get an emotional response...ever think about running for office with other neocons like yourself? You do a good job at twisting words for an emotional jerk.

Now, when we come back to reality, and what I REALLY said, people can see that what I had pointed at was it takes a REAL american to want to give rights to everyone because principles are more important then your own petty emotional grudges you choose to have.

I don't want to give those scumbags any rights. But I will, because our constitution says I must. That's the difference between you and I - you want to make them all comfy and happy. That's being fawning and obsequious. That's revolting.

I remember watching Bush at that address he gave congress when he named Iran as one of the countries in the "axis of evil" and remember thinking to myself "well thats Iran stuffed"

Just because a news article states the CIA has the "secret" go ahead from Bush, I dont think it makes any real difference to Iran or the troops on ground.

Originally posted by Harlequin
hypohisis:

Israel launch a nuclear strike against iran using F-15`s repainted in US colours.... 1 gets shot down - the US gets the fallout , israel wins.


and yes they killed US sailors before so they will do anything they want.

just as they killed britsh nationals in terrorists acts.

If maybe they have say a jet handy right in the Kurdish part of the Iraqi airfields they were contracted to help protect that could be possible, but for them to reach Iran directly from an airstrip in Israel is probably unlikely. The Osirak mission was considered a suicide mission because they didnt think there would be enough fuel. For them to pass through multiple countries and not be able to refuel I dont' think it could happen.

If anything, no one has mentioned it but they have several nuke capable subs they could easily sneak into the gulf and just launch from there. Everyone has been assuming they would use planes but those Dolphins might be carrying surpise payloads.


pie


[edit on 24-5-2007 by ThePieMaN]

Anyone ever thought of the possibility that one of Irans black market suppliers finally fulfills their promise & provides them with an operational nuke and then ""somehow", it manages to go off. I can see the headlines now, "Iranian nuclear accident kills thousands". Don't be concerned about US buildup in the area, be concerned when they make a rapid pullout.

Originally posted by marg6043

Originally posted by Cutwolf

On the other hand, we are at war. We seem to forget that the goal in war is to kill as many of the enemy as possible. We seem to forget that war is violent and that civilians do die in war.

Yes that may be truth but lest no forget that we brought the war to Iraq it was not Iraq the one that made war to us.

That alone is enough to understant that our troops are fighting a forced war by this administration and that the lost of lives is nothing but the result of the pushing of this war.

This war in Iraq is shameful.

When we finally turn the lights back on, we've either won or lost. That is really all the matters.

In a war pushed for not reasons but those of personal private agendas is not winners and the losers are the death.

How you achieve victory in a war should not be an issue. War is war and the goal is to win.

What is the goal and what do you define as to win and for whom is the wining, only for the profeteers of war, they are sure to be the ones reaping the benefits after the blood of inocents is spilled.

Whatever the case may be, wars are about killing. Whoever the war is being fight for, wars about killing. Wherever the wars are being fought, wars about killing.

Innocents die. Its war. Only recently have we had this fascination with a "clean" war.

You may not agree with the war, but we're at war, and we should try to crush the enemy by any means possible.

Originally posted by DCP
if you don't bring the war to the opponent that means he brought it to you. then all your stuff gets blown up, and that's not cool.

Yeah, that worked out really good for us when we went into iraq didn't it! I mean, Saddam was knocking on our door wasn't he. So, how'd that all work out?

Originally posted by pepsi78
Those are a bunch of idiots, just like the case with united states where other idiots bash united states for one single idiot george bush who gets other idiots to bash other countrys that has some idiots in them.
Idiots don't form countries only groups, and the world in general has plenty of them where ever you look no matter what country is.
[edit on 24-5-2007 by pepsi78]

So, you like to dismiss them all as idiots? Much like you probably dismiss the WTC hijackers as idiots as well? I won't argue that they are idiots, but they are also terrorists when they are calling for the destruction of the United States.
And Iran just happens to have two leaders that applaud this type of behavior and that also lead the masses into it. Therefore they are motivated even more to seek action through their words. Iran has already been connected in support of several terrorist organizations and that's simply now a fact whether people like to face it or not.
Terrorism has left it's mark everywhere in the world. As the Islamofascists gather recruits to join them in their mission against infidels across the globe, it only continues to grow.
How could anyone not take it seriously when islamo-based terrorism has left millions of people dead? The only ones trying to undermine this threat is the liberal media, and their treasonous agenda against the United States. Oh and let's not forget all those conspiracy theorists that think they are involved in some underground movement against our government despite their baseless claims.
As far as personal involvement, well yes there is..and frankly that's where I'll leave it. Though I will say that one does not have to be in combat units nuccessarily to provide the U.S. military and govt with support against terrorists.


[edit on 24-5-2007 by laiguana]

Originally posted by laiguana
So, you like to dismiss them all as idiots? Much like you probably dismiss the WTC hijackers as idiots as well? I won't argue that they are idiots, but they are also terrorists when they are calling for the destruction of the United States.
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[edit on 24-5-2007 by laiguana]

So that constitutes terrorism? I'd think that acting on those thoughts was the bad thing but now you cant voice your hatered anymore? What about those who call for the destruction of Iran on these boards, are they terrorist too?

Well if you're living in the U.S. and calling for its destruction don't be surprised if you are sent on a long-term vacation to Gitmo. Terrorism should not be tolerated As far as the Iranians viewing the U.S. as terrorists? Of course they do...we are the 'great satan' according to them.

Originally posted by laiguana
So, you like to dismiss them all as idiots? Much like you probably dismiss the WTC hijackers as idiots as well? I won't argue that they are idiots, but they are also terrorists when they are calling for the destruction of the United States.
And Iran just happens to have two leaders that applaud this type of behavior and that also lead the masses into it. Therefore they are motivated even more to seek action through their words. Iran has already been connected in support of several terrorist organizations and that's simply now a fact whether people like to face it or not.
Terrorism has left it's mark everywhere in the world. As the Islamofascists gather recruits to join them in their mission against infidels across the globe, it only continues to grow.
How could anyone not take it seriously when islamo-based terrorism has left millions of people dead? The only ones trying to undermine this threat is the liberal media, and their treasonous agenda against the United States. Oh and let's not forget all those conspiracy theorists that think they are involved in some underground movement against our government despite their baseless claims.

"WTC hijackers are terrorists, calling for the destruction of the United States. Iran applaud this type of behavior and also lead the masses into it. Iran already been connected in support of several terrorist organizations, a fact whether people like to face it or not. Terrorism, everywhere in the world. Islamofascists gather recruits in their mission against infidels across the globe...continues to grow. Islamo-based terrorism has left millions of people dead. The liberal media and their treasonous agenda against the United States, are trying to undermine this threat. Lets not forget those conspiracy theorists that think, despite their baseless claims."

OH... The fresh smell of propaganda!
Work for Fox News by any chance?

Hey, wait a sec.....
Oh my god! Dick? ...Dick Cheney, is that you?



[edit on 24/5/07 by Navieko]