Cho got off 170 shots in 9 minutes?? Wow!

I had heard mention of the 17 magazines but it was stated the capacity was over 200 rounds. Even at only 14 round / mag, that could be 238.

Originally posted by roadgravel
I had heard mention of the 17 magazines but it was stated the capacity was over 200 rounds. Even at only 14 round / mag, that could be 238.

Th Glock 19 used a capacity of 15 rnd/mag
The Walther P22 used a capacity of 10 rnd/mag

So any combination of the above mags. It also must be true that some of the found mags were still fully loaded or partially loaded at the time.

170 shots in 9 minutes and not one cop/swat teamer ever approached the building !.......That's the story.

And how long did it take Swat to get there? Cops don't enter the building. Swat does. A street cop isn't trained how to clear a building like Swat is, and it's MORE dangerous for them to try to do it than wait for Swat to get there.

rrahim 1

I can't even go to a normal thought after I saw you remark that he must have been playing video games??? I hope you don't state video games should be banned after this?

Originally posted by SpeakerofTruth
This whole episode doesn't make good sense to me. There is nothing that the "official" story has relayed that really adds up. This guy had an accomplice. There is not much doubt in my mind about it.

I have a hard time beleiving this. What are you basing your accursion on? Where is this mystery accomplice? Did anyone witness another gunman? You'd think with all those students there that one would come out and say there was an accomplice. Maybe I haven't read enough about the topic, but is there any evidence to suggest there was an accomplice, apart from this topic?

Why are you suggesting one accomplice? Why not two? or three?

Please enlighten me to some evidence towards your view point. I'd be more than glad to accept there is an accomplice, but right now what is suggesting this?

[edit on 26-4-2007 by LuDaCrIs]

Maybe someone else can lead me to another interview, but as far as I know there's only been one video interview of a first-hand eyewitness. I find that extremely strange. Could be that others saw another shooter and their testimony is being held back.

Peace

The others were probably in shock and don't want to talk about it. I don't know what I'd do during a shooting, but I can tell you that after hearing about my friends being brutally gunned down the last thing I'd want to do is talk to the media about it. I don't know where to find them but I've heard interviews with professors that were in other buildings, and a couple of students that were in the building, mostly about the Israeli professor that saved a bunch of students.

Anyone figure in how long it would take to reload and add that in to the 170 shots in 9 minutes equation? ... and how many times he would have had to reload? ... especially carrying two guns ... presumably one in each hand? This just seems like it would have taken some uber-skillz to pull off ... but as I said before, I'm uninitiated in the world of firearms.

About 5 seconds tops. He had preloaded magazines. To reload a semiauto it's a matter of pressing the magazine release, letting it drop to the floor, sliding the new magazine home, and pressing the slide release. As soon as the slide is forward, you're shooting again.

Originally posted by SpookshowJon
especially carrying two guns ... presumably one in each hand?

Just for the record, eyewitness video testimony said the shooter was shooting one weapon and reloading that one weapon. This is one of the many mysteries of the event. How many loaded magazines could fit in that vest he was wearing?

IMO there was another shooter and most of the kids that saw him are not with us anymore.

Peace

He was also reported at one point to have two fanny packs. You can put quite a few magazines into a fanny pack.

The more things he had to deal with (ie..fanny packs and a vest, zippers and pockets) lend the official story even less credibility IMO.

Peace

So, wearing an unzipped fanny pack that he could reach into, snag a magazine, and slap home into the gun makes it more credible that he had an accomplice? Ok, sure. All he had to do was clip two fanny packs to his waist, unzip them so the zipper is wide open, and it wouldn't be a problem.

Kinda interesting if the 9 minutes is accurate now that I think of it.

Lets do a breakdown (a quickie not comprehensive to say the least...):

Lets say that each shot (170 in total) takes 1 sec to squeeze off for Cho
170*1sec=170s

Now lets say that 15 magazines were changed with average time of say 6 secs to drop the mag, insert new mag, and cycle the slide, so thats:
15 mags * 6 secs = 90s

Now lets say that Cho laid in 3 shot bursts, and paused for 3 secs to acquire target and reset aim, so thats:
170/3shots burst=56 times to pause between 3 shot bursts
56 pauses * 3 secs = 168s

Whats the total?
Total = 428 s = 7.13 minutes

Thats fairly remarkable, almost robotic in timing. Now this does not include time to chain the door, search for targets much beyond the 3 sec pauses.

Of course there are other explanations like its possible Cho just sprayed off bullets. But this doesnt account for the accuracy of aim that was exhibited and the lethality. Columbine had 2 shooters, more firepower, including homemade bombs, and the deaths numbers 13 in total. It certainly seems likely that cho aimed and took some time with it, so perhaps the numbers may be adjusted up or down depending on your opinions. In my book, adjust the number of secs UP.

If you adjust up even slightly, the 9 minute mark is quickly approached.

[edit on 26-4-2007 by greatlakes]

Folks that have practiced enough get into a zone when they're shooting. They recognize the sight picture without even consciously realizing it. I don't shoot that often, but even reloading a magazine as I'm shooting it doesn't take me very long at all to do. If I had preloaded magazines I could do it pretty fast. I'm not a great shot at target shooting, but people are a different matter. You don't have to hit a head shot or heart shot every time to kill someone.

I target shoot all the time at the local indoor and outdoor ranges and I am impressed with the speed of 170 bullets and accuracy in 9 minutes. This leads me to suspect the 9minutes number as reported. Could have just been tossed out there from an eyewitness report or something.

Agree reloads would be fast, 6 secs average is a good number I believe. This would account for any possible fumble in one or two or several mag changes.

Also in the numbers I did not factor any jams occurring. A jam is not infrequent, especially at that high rate of fire. Shooting 170 rnds in 5-6 minutes (170s+(56*3s)) leads to lots of heat, its a fast rate of fire and this may cause a jam in one of the guns. Clearing a jam sometimes is a pain and could take time. though if experienced which I believe Cho to be, it would be a fairly quick fix, say 10-20s for a jam if one did occur.

for one, i have a few and my 9mm holds 17. even mags that hold 15, i can lace around my waste and get 170 easy...thing i have been thinking about i why a walther 22 and a glock 9?
i mean, who cares the gun but why teo different calibers/makes of gun?
it would have been even more efficient to carry twin glocks...with two different guns, you need to make sure the clips for the .22 is in this fanny pack or pocket. you need to make sure the clips for the 9 are in this pack or pocket..
you can't eject a clip with one hand and reach into the fanny pack, get a clip out, slide it in and let the slide go while holding a gun in that hand and shooting the other gun with the other.

i don't know man....i don't buy into the accomplice throey but i think pulling off that many shots fired and hits in that short amount of time with 2 different guns is pretty impressive...

edit* if you're shooting a hi point or something in that amount of time i would worry but if you're shooting a walther and a glock, i'm thining you'd be fine...170 rounds came off in 9 minutes so you can be fair to say that each sun went though 85 rounds in 9 minutes???


[edit on 26-4-2007 by Boondock78]

I was under the impression that the shootings took place in a dormitory,not classrooms.

This is a big difference between unloading clips into a classroom of say 30+ people or a dorm room with only Im guessing 4 people max in each room?

And as far as the Video Game theory,I read where he played 'Counter Strike',so does this mean he used an aimbot and wallhacks as well?

[edit on 26-4-2007 by Bootyac]

You know boondock, that's a great point you make. I hadn't even thought of it. I guess anybody who buys the official story completely could say that he had .22 mags in one fanny pack, and 9mm mags in the other.

The fact of the matter is that the only eyewitness I've seen on video says Cho was firing one gun, a .22, and he was reloading that gun, a .22. Where was the 9mm? I'll tell you where, it was in somone else's hand, maybe in the stairwell shooting kids as they tried to escape, I don't know, but I'm convinced there was somebody else, and the gun was planted next to Cho's body after all was said and done. For all I know it could have been the person who had the 9mm that actually shot Cho, and not Cho himself.

Once you start to put the pieces together, the more unlikely it is that it happened the way we were told.

Remember, for maximum effect on the public you need maximum body count possible.

Peace



[edit on 26-4-2007 by Dr Love]

[edit on 26-4-2007 by Dr Love]