Cho got off 170 shots in 9 minutes?? Wow!

Originally posted by JIMC5499
Try putting the backpack on backwards so that it is on your chest.

From what I understand Cho did shoot himself in the temple.

can anyone give me a link to some site that says he shot himself in the temple? the links i saw said he did it to the back of the head. at least i can put my mind to rest on that one.
yes, the backpack turned around to the front seems like it would be pretty efficient he he could have divided it to left/right. one side for each guns mags. still though, say he has a gun in both hands and the gun in the right hand goes empty, he can dump the clip with the push of a button with his thumb from that hand but you can't get a new magazine in without using your other hand?
what then?
set the other gun in the packpack and pick it back up?

it just seems like the reloading seperate guns starts to eat away seconds and his shooting becomes more impressive...
thats why i am saying.....put a paper target 15 feet away and put 2 different guns in each hand, take a second or 2 to aim each time and try to hit that target, left/right/left like that..

harder than it looks i think.
thats at 1 still target. we have something like 60+ hit. thats 60+ seperate targets...each of those had at least 2-3 in em....thats fast shooting man...

Well im under the assumption he only held one gun at a time. Going to the backup if necessary. So mag changeouts would just be a simple and quick function for him. Drop the mag, throw in new mag cycle the slide. He probably didnt even care about the dropped mag, most likely just let it fall to the ground. It's details like these that wwe'd like to know from the case, it would lend more insight into his mindset and intention.

Let's say he packed the empty mags in his pckets, this may say that he didn't intend on shooting himself, maybe he was planning a shootout with police etc. So I dont know if these details are being divulged yet or not.

1 gun at a time with a backup seems more feasable and would definately make it easier to load..you could load fast but you still have the whole multiple targets deal..obstacles moving. yourself moving.....personally, i think it's pretty impressive shooting....

i guess for now i want to most know why did he bother trying to file the numbers off?

Originally posted by Boondock78

i guess for now i want to most know why did he bother trying to file the numbers off?

He was nuts?

Originally posted by JIMC5499

Originally posted by Boondock78

i guess for now i want to most know why did he bother trying to file the numbers off?

He was nuts?

LOL Quite possible quite possible...! Or he watched one too many tv show, thought it would be cool to file off the SN from a gun...

I think cho's rate of fire was poor anyone could fire off that many shots in 9 mins. Just depends how fast you pull the trigger thats all and on another note what if he used this gun in the link below. Look at how many shots in a min you can get with that just makes you think.

I don't see the big deal with him anyway he was nuts and the goverment should have cottoned on to himand stoped him long time before this even happend

93r

Originally posted by SE7ENLook at how many shots in a min you can get with that just makes you think.

93r

The link given is a selective fire machine pistol, selective semi-auto and FULL-auto. Semi-auto fires as fast as you can pull the trigger and limited by mechanics of the gun. However if you are familiar with guns, you'd know that if you intend on hitting anything in front of you, the speed at which you can fire at is limited by this fact. Heck its hard for most people to hit a target (that is to just hit it-anywhere) at 25yds or even 15 yds. You really have to concentrate, sight in and generally take some time between shots.

The 93r link above is impossible to get 1100 rounds off in a minute. Why you may ask, theres only a 20 round magazine.


[edit on 26-4-2007 by greatlakes]

When those times are taken, I believe the munitions are belt-fed and they just record the number of rounds fired in a single minute. That, or they take the time the weapon used to expend a full clip and used math to multiply it to fill a minute.

I know that M-16's fire at a rate of 750 to 900 rounds a minute.

Really the only guns that will have a high rate of fire are vulcans or chain weapons.

Shattered OUT...

Originally posted by ShatteredSkies
When those times are taken, I believe the munitions are belt-fed and they just record the number of rounds fired in a single minute. That, or they take the time the weapon used to expend a full clip and used math to multiply it to fill a minute.

I know that M-16's fire at a rate of 750 to 900 rounds a minute.

Really the only guns that will have a high rate of fire are vulcans or chain weapons.

Shattered OUT...

Can you imagine controlling the beretta on full auto with a belt feed, yikes

It would be fun trying I guess, it does say that it comes with a shoulder stock mount optional.

As far as timing, probably the latter, film the gun in operation with high speed cams and calc it out.

[edit on 26-4-2007 by greatlakes]

Well when I said belt-fed, I meant for production testing purposes, they would most likely mount the weapon on a stand or brace and have it belt fed and automatically fired through a computer or some form of electronic trigger.

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Originally posted by greatlakes
Can you imagine controlling the beretta on full auto with a belt feed, yikes

I prefer my Beretta 92SB with it's 50 round mag.

Thats the official military pistol isnt it (or was at one time)?

Wait, how did you get an extended clip big enough?

Shattered OUT...

Originally posted by ShatteredSkies
Wait, how did you get an extended clip big enough?

Shattered OUT...

I bought it at the factory in Italy in 1986.

I think maybe the reason the times and rounds don't seem to add up is because the 9 minutes is taken from the first 911 call until the shooting stopped.
From what I have read students didn't at first realise that the loud noises they were hearing were in fact gun shots. So, that takes some time there - recognition of the fact. It may even amount to several minutes, taking the overall time to say 12 minutes.

Then people are begining to panic, they realise that someone is running through the building firing shots, I would imagine that most people would first try to escape or find cover. Once that has happened they can then begin to think about calling someone for help. So say one or two minutes there, making it about 14 minutes.

First they need to find their phone, and then wait to be connected to dispatch (from several stories I have heard about American emergency service, this can take some time - forgive me if that is false). Let say this is another minute or two, that makes the overall time something like 16 or more minutes.

From what gun users here are saying, that makes the whole 'find targets, shoot, reload, repeat' thing a lot less impressive. Even though these figures are complete guesstimations, I would say that they are closer to overall time than the media might have us think.


[edit on 26-4-2007 by ilandrah]

[edit on 26-4-2007 by ilandrah]

why would they post up the 1100 round a min if it wasn't possible? There nothing great about how many shots he pulled of in such a time not gona say any more on this topic waste of time Just posted tht up to prove a point!

Probably a stupid question, but what was the reason he shot himself (I also read in the back of his head, which is a really funny place) ? Where there swat chasing him or something ? If thats not the case, why shoot yourself when your on a mindless killing frenzy and still have rounds left, doesn't sound logic, concidering aswell he filed the serial off the gun, so that means he was hoping to come out alive and run away, or I don't the point of covering his tracks. Unless it was planned that someone was supposed to shoot him, never put a name to the gun that shot him. Did he "shoot himself in the back of the head" with a 9mm or 22mm ?

[edit on 27-4-2007 by WeSbO]

[edit on 27-4-2007 by WeSbO]

i still would like to see a link to where it says he shot himself in the temple cause i thought they said he shot himself in the back of the head...thats strange to me...
also filing the numbers off.

also, about these guns being able to fire so many rounds per minute...when they test em out, they're rigged up in a 'jig' for lack of a better word an then mechanically feed the rounds in(via machine)....
just cause the gun can do it don't mean there is a human that can makle it do it. gun's don't operate themselves....not yet anyway

i still think it is good shooting but i only can compare it to mine...it's not as easy as it looks..i'm thinking moving targets amidst a little chaos will make it a little harder

I don't know, but the whole thing seems to me is a failed(at least partially) arrest operation. Cho may be a hostile foreign operative and the govt was trying to take him down secretly but (obviously) they failed to do so and it became an all out gun fight in the hall. That kinda explains the followings:

1. the local police and swat did not go into the scene becoz the feds were in there(?)
2. the second gunner speculation
3. the high casulty number
4. the suicide / neutralisation of Cho at the end of the shooting event

maybe for me i just can't wrap my head around the 'procedures'...they didn't go in cause of this or that...ok, thats fine but here is the deal..you are a cop/swat, whatever. you have arms. you have kevlar/flack...there are stdents inside getting massacred....get in there...
thats what i am thinking....just get in there.
not wait 2 hours....
just seems strange...some of these theories are far out for me but the serial numbers being filed off and the shot to the back of the head is what don't really jive with me.....i still think the shoting was pretty durn good