Steven M. Greer releases UFO photographs!

Originally posted by Phil J. Fry

What a spoil sport the truth can be! But, hey, continue to deny the truth if you wish!

I hope, this wasn't adressed at me

No, Phil. It was a general comment aimed at anyone who chooses to ignore all the evidence and continue to insist that insects are alien energy anchors

Originally posted by torsion
Of course Greer hasn't been to Iraq. If he had the insurgents would have dropped their guns, IEDs and decapitation knives and they'd be playing guitars! Converting men of violence into musicians is something Greer claims to be able to do simply by summoning the flying saucers!

Here's the Baghdad 'rod' explained (half way down the page) and Escamilla's debunked.

I've just been watching a BBC program called Springwatch. It's a live show about wildlife in the UK. They showed some recorded night time footage of an otter using night vision cameras. Lights on the camera attracted numerous moths and other nocturnal insects. I recorded it on my PVR and when the footage is advanced frame by frame some of the moths turn into Greerian Alien Energy Anchors!

What a spoil sport the truth can be! But, hey, continue to deny the truth if you wish!

Man, even after seeing the work of all those researchers, and the quality of it, you are stuck in that mentality that you can explain all those phenomena with bugs? Sure bugs can explain a few strange things on cameras, but not everything that was presented. I'm speechless...

Originally posted by ETDisclosure

Originally posted by torsion
Of course Greer hasn't been to Iraq. If he had the insurgents would have dropped their guns, IEDs and decapitation knives and they'd be playing guitars! Converting men of violence into musicians is something Greer claims to be able to do simply by summoning the flying saucers!

Here's the Baghdad 'rod' explained (half way down the page) and Escamilla's debunked.

I've just been watching a BBC program called Springwatch. It's a live show about wildlife in the UK. They showed some recorded night time footage of an otter using night vision cameras. Lights on the camera attracted numerous moths and other nocturnal insects. I recorded it on my PVR and when the footage is advanced frame by frame some of the moths turn into Greerian Alien Energy Anchors!

What a spoil sport the truth can be! But, hey, continue to deny the truth if you wish!

Man, even after seeing the work of all those researchers, and the quality of it, you are stuck in that mentality that you can explain all those phenomena with bugs? Sure bugs can explain a few strange things on cameras, but not everything that was presented. I'm speechless...

I don't think he saw the documentary I posted on page 17 of this thread.

Torsion, well done - as usual.

Iraqi alien energy anchor beings helping with the global concern of conflict and oil. Right...

We should expect to see the footage of a container ship leaving the USA.MIL.NWO full of guitars to arm the Iraqi insurgents. Leader Greer can boast how he and ET disarmed them all and helped them play music instead.

It shows how far Cult Greer needs to leap in order to scramble for the truth.

I look at it like this:

there are now hundreds, if not thousands, of videos of these "rods".

maybe SOME of them can be explained away as moths or insects or dust on the lens or whatever.

but all 100% of them???

it is MORE likely that there is at least some truth to this phenomena, than the possibility that all 100% of the videos are fakes or insects!

my vote: some sort of scout probe.

Looks like the pictures were removed. I was curious but couldn't get to them.

Here is the video again if some of you missed it.

Full length documentary. Take the time. Sit down and enjoy.

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Google Video Link

Originally posted by MrdDstrbr
I look at it like this:

there are now hundreds, if not thousands, of videos of these "rods".

maybe SOME of them can be explained away as moths or insects or dust on the lens or whatever.

but all 100% of them???

it is MORE likely that there is at least some truth to this phenomena, than the possibility that all 100% of the videos are fakes or insects!

my vote: some sort of scout probe.

I live close to an interntional airport. If I were to take hundreds of clear photos of the aircraft on approach would you apply the same argument, and say that 100% of the pictures couldn't be aircraft? Would some of them have to be 'scout probes'?

There is absolutely no reason why the 'rods'/'alien energy anchors' are not 100% insects!

Originally posted by torsion

Originally posted by MrdDstrbr
I look at it like this:

there are now hundreds, if not thousands, of videos of these "rods".

maybe SOME of them can be explained away as moths or insects or dust on the lens or whatever.

but all 100% of them???

it is MORE likely that there is at least some truth to this phenomena, than the possibility that all 100% of the videos are fakes or insects!

my vote: some sort of scout probe.

I live close to an interntional airport. If I were to take hundreds of clear photos of the aircraft on approach would you apply the same argument, and say that 100% of the pictures couldn't be aircraft? Would some of them have to be 'scout probes'?

There is absolutely no reason why the 'rods'/'alien energy anchors' are not 100% insects!

these videos are taken by many different people, in many different locations around the world, with many different types of cameras etc.... not just by one guy, in the same location, of the exact same objects all the time....

Originally posted by MrdDstrbr
these videos are taken by many different people, in many different locations around the world, with many different types of cameras etc.... not just by one guy, in the same location, of the exact same objects all the time....

Exactly! That's how i see it too.
Torsion's thinking if flawed. Putting all the cases in the same basket is not right.

Originally posted by MrdDstrbr
these videos are taken by many different people, in many different locations around the world, with many different types of cameras etc.... not just by one guy, in the same location, of the exact same objects all the time....

Doesn't that logically suggest to you that the reason the rods appears, is that it is an artifact of the camera equipment when a moth flies past? It doesn't matter who you are, where you are or what equipment you are using, the rods can appear if a moth (butterfly, dragonfly, insert any other flying insect) flies past the lens as the shutter is open.

No, of course it doesn't. You think that all over the world, people who are totally ignorant, are capturing alien energy anchor beings in their pictures. You made that very clear.

these objects fly at very high rates of speeds. that why you speed up the shutter speeds. not slow it down to where anything in the picture is blurred. havent you watched the #ing video already.

Originally posted by tezzajw

Originally posted by MrdDstrbr
these videos are taken by many different people, in many different locations around the world, with many different types of cameras etc.... not just by one guy, in the same location, of the exact same objects all the time....

Doesn't that logically suggest to you that the reason the rods appears, is that it is an artifact of the camera equipment when a moth flies past? It doesn't matter who you are, where you are or what equipment you are using, the rods can appear if a moth (butterfly, dragonfly, insert any other flying insect) flies past the lens as the shutter is open.

No, of course it doesn't. You think that all over the world, people who are totally ignorant, are capturing alien energy anchor beings in their pictures. You made that very clear.

what I am saying is that for it to be a simple optical illusion involving a moth or insect SOME of the time, is perfectly plausible.

but there is a large volume of evidence of "rods", from many different people and cameras and locations and conditions, and it is highly unlikely that it's an optical illusion 100% of the time!

so there is something strange and new going on there, in at least some of the cases...

Originally posted by weknowyouknow
these objects fly at very high rates of speeds. that why you speed up the shutter speeds. not slow it down to where anything in the picture is blurred. havent you watched the #ing video already.

They fly at the speed of common insects because that is what they are. The video you have linked too is old and I'm sure most of us have seen it so no need for your rudeness. It may be new and exciting to you however, but over time (depending on your ability to critically think and reason) you will realise that you've been taken in by a simple, unintentional camera effect- and a nice slice of humble pie will await you!

As I've suggested before to other blind followers, try working things out for yourself. Try a little experimentation. Don't rely on the narrative of a commercial dvd and swallow everything they serve up to you. Think for yourself.

Rods are very old news and their true nature has been proven time and time again. Get a camera, get outside and film some of your own - they're all over the place these insects and your video camera will do you the honour of converting them into rods/alien communication energy anchors/ light beings/loved ones or whatever other arcane thing you wish to pretend they are!

Originally posted by torsion

Rods are very old news and their true nature has been proven time and time again. Get a camera, get outside and film some of your own - they're all over the place these insects and your video camera will do you the honour of converting them into rods/alien communication energy anchors/ light beings/loved ones or whatever other arcane thing you wish to pretend they are!

Well if your explanation is that it's a simple optical illusion with moths or insects and the shutter speed of the camera, every single time - how do you account for the fact that they have experimented with different kinds of cameras and shutter speeds and the effect is still reproducible?

Originally posted by MrdDstrbr

Originally posted by torsion

Rods are very old news and their true nature has been proven time and time again. Get a camera, get outside and film some of your own - they're all over the place these insects and your video camera will do you the honour of converting them into rods/alien communication energy anchors/ light beings/loved ones or whatever other arcane thing you wish to pretend they are!

Well if your explanation is that it's a simple optical illusion with moths or insects and the shutter speed of the camera, every single time - how do you account for the fact that they have experimented with different kinds of cameras and shutter speeds and the effect is still reproducible?

I'll respond to this for torsion. they can't understand what's going on. They have to hang on to old debunking arguments.

These rods object, cannot be explained, so they are UFOs until we are identify what they really are. Unidentified, Flying, Object. So it matches that.

Originally posted by MrdDstrbr
Well if your explanation is that it's a simple optical illusion with moths or insects and the shutter speed of the camera, every single time - how do you account for the fact that they have experimented with different kinds of cameras and shutter speeds and the effect is still reproducible?

I can't take credit for the explanation, it's derived from the diligent work of others who proved that rods are nothing more than insects. I've experimented myself simply to verify the proof. Using different cameras doesn't make much difference because the technology is the same. 'Rods' (insects) have slight variations just like 'orbs'(dust motes). This variation is a result of the different camera types.

If you choose to perpetuate ignorance and deny the proof that is right before your eyes then you may one day be rewarded with free membership to CSETI! The blind and the guillible are the type they desire!

Nice to see that you have recovered from your curiously short-lived grammatical disability, 'MrDdstrbr'.

Originally posted by ETDisclosure
These rods object, cannot be explained, so they are UFOs until we are identify what they really are. Unidentified, Flying, Object. So it matches that.

A bit of a confused response from you there, ET, don't you think? I've provided you with material to back up the fact that 'rods' have been explained, so why do you insist that they haven't been explained? Bear in mind the motto of ATS is to deny ignorance, not show it!

You explanation is flawed, is what I mean.
So i have to reject it and see if "real researchers" have done some work regarding this.

If i Have to choose between taking your advice and the one from somebody that has years of experience taking photos of these objects, my choice is simple, I would trust Jose Escamilla before anybody else on this, including people that Think they have all the answers...

Originally posted by ETDisclosure
You explanation is flawed, is what I mean.

Don't just say "it's flawed". Explain why you think it is flawed. And explain why these objects are alien energy anchors and not insects.

If i Have to choose between taking your advice and the one from somebody that has years of experience taking photos of these objects, my choice is simple, I would trust Jose Escamilla before anybody else on this, including people that Think they have all the answers...

But my advice was to experiment yourself. That way you don't have to listen to either me or Escamilla. That's how you discover the real truth, ET.

I was impressed with rods when I first saw them but thought it a little odd that a new, never-before seen ariel creature had suddenly been discovered with new technology. So first we have to examine the new technology that is being used. And therein lies the answer, rods are a product of the internal workings of the video camera!
It isn't only flying insects that create the rod effect. Some years ago I recorded scenes from a program about life in the deepest parts of the oceans. The scene that showed swarming plankton produced exactly the same effect when the video was put on still frame. (Underwater alien communication energy anchors, Greer will no doubt argue!)

Sadly unexciting but absolutely true!

But I'll repeat, ET, don't take my word for it, nor anyone else's. Get a camera and prove it to yourself. Or simply tune to Discovery, record a documentary about plankton or insects and start hitting the pause button.

Originally posted by weknowyouknow
these objects fly at very high rates of speeds. that why you speed up the shutter speeds. not slow it down to where anything in the picture is blurred. havent you watched the #ing video already.

How do calculate the speeds? What do you mean by "very high?"