Steven M. Greer releases UFO photographs!

Originally posted by torsion

Originally posted by ETDisclosure
You explanation is flawed, is what I mean.

Don't just say "it's flawed". Explain why you think it is flawed. And explain why these objects are alien energy anchors and not insects.

If i Have to choose between taking your advice and the one from somebody that has years of experience taking photos of these objects, my choice is simple, I would trust Jose Escamilla before anybody else on this, including people that Think they have all the answers...

But my advice was to experiment yourself. That way you don't have to listen to either me or Escamilla. That's how you discover the real truth, ET.

I was impressed with rods when I first saw them but thought it a little odd that a new, never-before seen ariel creature had suddenly been discovered with new technology. So first we have to examine the new technology that is being used. And therein lies the answer, rods are a product of the internal workings of the video camera!
It isn't only flying insects that create the rod effect. Some years ago I recorded scenes from a program about life in the deepest parts of the oceans. The scene that showed swarming plankton produced exactly the same effect when the video was put on still frame. (Underwater alien communication energy anchors, Greer will no doubt argue!)

Sadly unexciting but absolutely true!

But I'll repeat, ET, don't take my word for it, nor anyone else's. Get a camera and prove it to yourself. Or simply tune to Discovery, record a documentary about plankton or insects and start hitting the pause button.

Ok Torsion, but I'm going to ask you to do the same thing. I'm asking you to go out at night, and take pictures and I'm asking you to reproduce similar pictures to what Dr Greer has published.

I'm looking for:

An image that resembles a clear, lighted silhouette of a moth(no bluriness please)

Clear pictures of the same spiralling rod bugs that you say are everywhere.

Not any of that speck stuff either.

Originally posted by c3hamby
An image that resembles a clear, lighted silhouette of a moth(no bluriness please)

c3hamby, why should Torsion take a clear picture of a moth, without bluriness, when Cult Greer's moth was blurred?

I really don't understand what you are asking? Cult Greer showed a moth that was blurred, as obviously, the photographer was incompetent.

I'm sure that Torsion, being the intelligent and capable person that he is, could go out and take a picture of a moth that isn't blurred and also one that is blurred.

The pictures were moths and you want them so desperately to be something that they're not.




Torsion, what flavours does Kool-Aid come in? I think that I might buy shares in the company that makes it. They'll never go out of business at this rate.

Originally posted by torsion

Nice to see that you have recovered from your curiously short-lived grammatical disability, 'MrDdstrbr'.

What can I say, sometimes the francais just slips in, you know? it is part of me after all!

BTW, it is "MrdDstrbr". not "MrDdstrbr".

Originally posted by c3hamby
Ok Torsion, but I'm going to ask you to do the same thing. I'm asking you to go out at night, and take pictures and I'm asking you to reproduce similar pictures to what Dr Greer has published.

I'm looking for:

An image that resembles a clear, lighted silhouette of a moth(no bluriness please)

Clear pictures of the same spiralling rod bugs that you say are everywhere.

Not any of that speck stuff either.

What's the point in me doing it again? I know they are insects as other rational thinkers do. It's only you, Et, and 'MrdD' who need educating as to the true nature of these things - and as I've said, self-education is best. As you and your chums clearly won't listen to anyone other than Greer there's little point in me making further effort to provide you with more evidence. None of you want to know the truth when it proves that Greer is a dishonest charlatan.

If I did post a picture I'd taken myself you would argue that it might be very similar to Greer's 'anchor' but it is not identical so therefore it's an insect while Greer's remains an 'alien anchor'- exactly like your chum Tock did when I presented him with an 'orb' that resembled the dust mote in front of Greer's T shirt (remember, the one that CSETI tried to pass off as paranormal).

Still waiting for ET's critical analysis that suggests this thing is an alien energy communication anchor and not an insect! In fact, as you have jumped in to respond for ET, C3Hamb, why don't you explain why it is an alien anchor and not an insect?

Come on Greerians, start backing up your shallow talk with some credible analysis, reasoned debate or verification instead of simply ignoring all the evidence that causes Greer's house of cards to collapse.

Originally posted by torsion
It's only you, Et, and 'MrdD' who need educating as to the true nature of these things

Get it right please, it's "MrdDstrbr", as in "Merd Disturber" (pardon my French!!)

Come on Greerians, start backing up your shallow talk with some credible analysis, reasoned debate or verification instead of simply ignoring all the evidence that causes Greer's house of cards to collapse.

I already gave you my reasoning.

You are claiming that the "rods" are a simple optical illusion involving a moth or insect and the shutter speed of the camera, 100% of the time.

For me, the body of evidence is too large to simply be written off in such a trite manner. Especially when they have deliberately experimented with different kinds of cameras and different shutter speeds, to test your hypothesis - and yet they keep getting the same effect.

It's possible that it is a simple optical illusion, SOME of the time. But I think it's highly unlikely that it's an optical illusion, ALL of the time.

Originally posted by MrdDstrbr
...they have deliberately experimented with different kinds of cameras and different shutter speeds, to test your hypothesis - and yet they keep getting the same effect.

Of course they are getting the same effect. They are filming the same thing each time - insects! Changing the shutter speed and camera isn't going to make any difference if you keep filming the same things- ie insects! I get the same effect with my camera. You will too if you have one and are willing to make the effort to do some experimentaion! You keep ranting on about seeking the truth yet seem to prefer to cling on to falsehoods because they are compatible with your Greerian world view!

Originally posted by torsion

Originally posted by MrdDstrbr
...they have deliberately experimented with different kinds of cameras and different shutter speeds, to test your hypothesis - and yet they keep getting the same effect.

Of course they are getting the same effect. They are filming the same thing each time - insects! Changing the shutter speed and camera isn't going to make any difference if you keep filming the same things- ie insects! I get the same effect with my camera. You will too if you have one and are willing to make the effort to do some experimentaion!

sorry but your logic is flawed. just because you filmed some insects, and they looked like "rods", does not mean that ALL "rods" MUST BE insects.

it is still possible that there could be something else going on.

You keep ranting on about seeking the truth yet seem to prefer to cling on to falsehoods because they are compatible with your Greerian world view!

well maybe it's because:

i can't find any evidence of any angry CSETI trainees who feel defrauded by Mr. Greer. I can find evidence of satisfied trainees.

Greer claims he has footage of various encounters.

Dr. Joe Burkes claims Greer showed him the "Gulf Breeze" encounter footage at a lecture and this persuaded him to join CSETI.

the CSETI coordinator confirms that they have that footage.

(3 points of corroboration!)

when queried about the possibility of a rep from ATS attending a training, the CSETI coordinator had absolutely no objections to that.

when queried if the NDA prevents trainees from posting about their experiences on ATS, she stated it isn't an issue as long as trainees do not divulge the identities of other trainees and do not use photos/video without permission.

when you actually get talking to CSETI, you find that they act like they have nothing to hide, and the door is actually wide, wide open for someone to go on a training and meet with Mr. Greer and have all these questions answered.

so, you can keep acting like you have somehow singlehandedly debunked Greer and toppled his "house of cards" all you like, i can't stop you, but my own research just keeps turning up positive things about them....

Originally posted by MrdDstrbr
so, you can keep acting like you have somehow singlehandedly debunked Greer and toppled his "house of cards" all you like, i can't stop you, but my own research just keeps turning up positive things about them....

I've never claimed to have single-handedly debunked Greer. He has been thoroughly debunked and irrefutably exposed as a charlatan and deciever by several other credible people. If your own 'research' has brought up any positive evidence why don't you share it here? We will happily subject it to some critical analysis and see if it stands up to fair scrutiny! And we won't take the lazy route and simply say 'your thinking is flawed' time after time, which is the only rebuttal you seem to be able to muster.

If it makes you happy getting all excited about Greer's big rod I'm sure Greer will be pleased too. But I suspect he will be even more delighted if you send a big cash donation his way- because that's why he's waving his rod about! It's a lure for the gullible!

MrdDstrbr, I'm starting to get the distinct feeling that your participation here is merely as a billboard for CSETI.

Originally posted by intrepid
MrdDstrbr, I'm starting to get the distinct feeling that your participation here is merely as a billboard for CSETI.

intrepid,

as stated, one of my purposes here is simply to encourage a little diplomacy and actually talk to CSETI about these issues. while there are people like torsion in his post above, blasting away, calling Mr. Greer a charlatan, deciever, and on and on.

i just feel that while people are blasting away with their attacks and condemnation of Greer and CSETI, it's important to keep pointing out that CSETI's attitude is more like "sure, come to a training, take some pictures if you like, post about it on ATS if you want, we don't care either way".

i wish you guys would stop with the accusations. i don't receive a cent from CSETI, i only want to find the truth about them, due to the scope of their claims.

Originally posted by torsion

Originally posted by MrdDstrbr
so, you can keep acting like you have somehow singlehandedly debunked Greer and toppled his "house of cards" all you like, i can't stop you, but my own research just keeps turning up positive things about them....

I've never claimed to have single-handedly debunked Greer. He has been thoroughly debunked and irrefutably exposed as a charlatan and deciever by several other credible people. If your own 'research' has brought up any positive evidence why don't you share it here? We will happily subject it to some critical analysis and see if it stands up to fair scrutiny!

I've already presented all the evidence I have.

I have no problem with summing it all up for you, except that I may be accused of "viral marketing" for presenting all my evidence in a public thread.

If it makes you happy getting all excited about Greer's big rod I'm sure Greer will be pleased too.

any more sexually suggestive/abusive languaging like that and I will make a complaint to the staff....

Originally posted by MrdDstrbr
the CSETI coordinator confirms that they have that footage.
(3 points of corroboration!)

Three points of lies, deception and disinformation.

If a project called The Disclosure Project has video footage that will prove ET and they are not disclosing it, then the logical conclusion is that it is a hoax.

Cult Greer knows this, but Cult Greer is smart enough to know that there are people who believe his moths are alien energy anchor beings too.

Originally posted by tezzajw

Originally posted by MrdDstrbr
the CSETI coordinator confirms that they have that footage.
(3 points of corroboration!)

Three points of lies, deception and disinformation.

Doesn't make sense as a strategy to me at all. Why would they lie about possessing video, when it would be so easy to catch them in that lie?

Originally posted by MrdDstrbr
Doesn't make sense as a strategy to me at all. Why would they lie about possessing video, when it would be so easy to catch them in that lie?

They no doubt do possess a video. In fact I've read somewhere that it is described as being 'not very exciting', or words to that effect, and that was by a CESTI supporter, I'm sure.

The reason they don't want to show it is because it most likely shows aircraft or sattellites or some other everyday objects. Not quite clear enough to identify but indistinct enough to call an interstate beam ship, or gravity distortion vector craft or any other made-up name the decievers would wish to use.

Look what happened when they were found to be dishonest about the very photographs this thread is about. They hid them from public view. So much for disclosure!

Originally posted by torsion
Look what happened when they were found to be dishonest about the very photographs this thread is about. They hid them from public view. So much for disclosure!

They likely hid them from public view because it was pointed out to them that the pictures were being heavily ridiculed.

However, if I recall correctly, the CSETI coordinator also told zoomein that they were going through what they have to find better stuff to post.

So maybe some better evidence will come out of this, maybe not.....

Originally posted by MrdDstrbr
They likely hid them from public view because it was pointed out to them that the pictures were being heavily ridiculed.

That's exactly what Millerman said! Strange how you two are so alike

Surely CETI can withstand a bit of ridicule? They took the photos down because they'd been rumbled, not ridiculed!

So maybe some better evidence will come out of this, maybe not.....

Well, lets see. It would take an hour or two to replace the photos with 'better' ones (can't see why they didn't use the 'better ones' first) and how long has it been? Hmmm, 2 moths, sorry, I mean 2 months since the bad photos went up.

So what are we waiting for, and why are we waiting?

I think you're right with "maybe not" as far as seeing any evidence is concerned...

Originally posted by torsion

Originally posted by MrdDstrbr
They likely hid them from public view because it was pointed out to them that the pictures were being heavily ridiculed.

That's exactly what Millerman said! Strange how you two are so alike

Perhaps one day the staff will remove the suspension from our good friend milleur's account!

After all, he only received some interesting information from CSETI, and in his eagerness to share it with ATS he made a few small blunders! But in the spirit of "Deny Ignorance" I hope they can eventually be forgiven!

So maybe some better evidence will come out of this, maybe not.....

Well, lets see. It would take an hour or two to replace the photos with 'better' ones (can't see why they didn't use the 'better ones' first) and how long has it been? Hmmm, 2 moths, sorry, I mean 2 months since the bad photos went up.

So what are we waiting for, and why are we waiting?

Again, torsion, have you actually voiced your complaint directly to CSETI? Or only made it here on this forum that they don't read?

Maybe if enough people ask to see some footage, they will provide some.... that is the best I can do here, since I am only one completely obscure person in the grand scheme of things.

Also, as I keep trying to point out, the door is incredibly, completely wide open for someone from ATS to attend a training and capture some photos/video of their own to share with the forum.....

Originally posted by MrdDstrbr
Doesn't make sense as a strategy to me at all. Why would they lie about possessing video, when it would be so easy to catch them in that lie?

We have caught them in the lie. Cult Greer has been busted as a fraud.

Remember the original title of this thread is how Cult Greer released UFO photographs, right? Well, it wasn't long before those UFO photographs were taken down, was it? Cult Greer got caught selling moths as being alien energy anchor beings and grifting dust-motes to be alien orbs.

There's a word for them in the Australian language - WANKERS.

Originally posted by MrdDstrbr
Maybe if enough people ask to see some footage, they will provide some.... that is the best I can do here, since I am only one completely obscure person in the grand scheme of things.

That paragraph is dangerously close to reading like a recruitment spiel for the Cult. Cult Greer discloses NOTHING and provides NOTHING.

Also, as I keep trying to point out, the door is incredibly, completely wide open for someone from ATS to attend a training and capture some photos/video of their own to share with the forum.....

Again, that reads dangerously close to being another recruitment spiel for Cult Greer. Perhaps, a weak attempt at viral marketing to encourage more Kool-Aid drinkers.

Attending Cult Greer's fundraising vector parties is not required. There is no logical reason, at all, to donate another $800 to a fraud.

Where's the Fed-Ex? Which G7(8) country are we waiting for to show alien contact? Lies, deception and fraud.

Originally posted by tezzajw

Originally posted by MrdDstrbr
Doesn't make sense as a strategy to me at all. Why would they lie about possessing video, when it would be so easy to catch them in that lie?

We have caught them in the lie. Cult Greer has been busted as a fraud.

Remember the original title of this thread is how Cult Greer released UFO photographs, right? Well, it wasn't long before those UFO photographs were taken down, was it? Cult Greer got caught selling moths as being alien energy anchor beings and grifting dust-motes to be alien orbs.

There's a word for them in the Australian language - WANKERS.

IIRC, the title of their pics page was something like "Interesting images from 2006 trainings".

I don't think they were intended to be final proof of their Contact activities at all, they were just "interesting images".

It's you that keeps framing them as if they were specifically aimed at people like us and ATS, intended as proof of their vectoring claims.

That kind of egocentrism can be expected from longtime readers of ATS, but when you actually get talking to CSETI, you find they don't really care about ATS either way. I highly doubt those pictures were posted for our benefit or intended to satiate our demand for proof....