Steven M. Greer releases UFO photographs!

Originally posted by torsion
Why do you say insects don't fly in straight lines? Can they only fly in circles?

What fun. It's delightful to be able to make a point and find people entirely unable to answer it except by ridicule.

Let's just go through this again, for the benefit of the hard of thinking.

1. I don't know what these images represent. I don't claim to.

2. The idea that they can be explained away by being time-exposure pictures of insects doesn't stand, because insects don't fly in perfectly straight lines. The idea that they can either fly in straight lines or in circles is typical of the one-dimensional binary thinking that infests this forum. Insects, whenever I see them, may fly in a consistent direction, but they don't fly dead straight. Of course there might be a special field around Dr Greer that causes this to happen, I don't know; but to explain the images away in this manner strains credulity for anyone who has ever bothered to watch nature.

3. It's interesting that no-one has claimed that the images were faked in any way, simply that they're the misinterpretation of a natural phenomenon.

Originally posted by rich23
Er... thanks for perpetuating the point I'm making. At no point has anyone met the empirical observation I've made, which is that insects don't fly in perfectly straight lines.

An expert on bug flight, are we? If you're basing your whole Greer issue on the straight-line bug, you're also selectively pointing at evidence. The straight-line bug, a function of a slow shutter speed, is not Mothra, but he's still a bug.

Mothra is a kick. he's an "energy anchor being." He flew into Greer's camp and they took a picture. His purpose is to help the ETs focus on the Greer group ('energy anchor,' get it?) You can see his feet, his wings, his head, and his fuzzy antenna in the shot. He's a cute little guy, but I guess he's bashful and requested his picture be removed from the cseti site. Now he's avaialble only to the initiated Greerians, i.e.: those who pay money to get on secret areas of the site.

The Disclosure Project, itself, is a credible project. Unfortunately it has deteriorated to the point that Greer has led his followers, little by little, to believe incredible things. Believing bugs are ETs is not credible. It shows how far down the path of silliness Greer has gone. To claim, with a straight face, that these bugs are ETs, is laughable. You're the one who needs to wake up here. You're living in a dream world.

Originally posted by schuyler
An expert on bug flight, are we?

If you can find anything in my posts to suggest such a claim, please point it out. I've simply made an empirical observation which has yet to be refuted.

If you're basing your whole Greer issue...

I have no "whole Greer issue". I have reserved judgement, unlike the many people on this forum who seek to pour vitriol on someone they don't know on evidence that they can interpret to their advantage. As I said, not knowing something doesn't bother me: "explaining things away", using apparently "common-sense" explanations (that don't stand up under scrutiny) to account for anomalous images, does.

As for Mothra, I haven't enough evidence one way or another to come to any conclusion. I've certainly had enough anomalous experiences myself to be unable to ridicule it or rule it out completely. I have no need to be scornful of Greer and I'm suspicious of those that do. It doesn't mean that I trust everything he says, either.

I've also seen that there are people who, for whatever reason, are prepared to explain everything away as bugs, seagulls, marsh gas, whatever... they describe themselves as skeptics, but all it means is that they have a narrow view of the world and rule that anything outside that is impossible.

Sometimes, these people, like Philip Klass, have agendas of their own, and are paid to promote them.

Originally posted by rich23
: "explaining things away", using apparently "common-sense" explanations (that don't stand up under scrutiny) to account for anomalous images, does.

When a picture is taken of a moth and it also looks like a moth, then common sense dictates that the picture is of a moth.

There is no scrutiny needed to find anything other than a moth, when the insect in the picture is of a moth.

Leader Greer and his Cult might need a hell of a lot of biased scrutiny to determine that the moth was an alien energy anchor being, but common sense cuts through the ridiculous misidentification.

Pictures of moths are not anomalous, they are pictures of moths. They don't stand up to the scrutiny that tries to turn them into alien ET beings, as they are moths.

Originally posted by tezzajw

Originally posted by rich23
: "explaining things away", using apparently "common-sense" explanations (that don't stand up under scrutiny) to account for anomalous images, does.

When a picture is taken of a moth and it also looks like a moth, then common sense dictates that the picture is of a moth.

There is no scrutiny needed to find anything other than a moth, when the insect in the picture is of a moth.

Leader Greer and his Cult might need a hell of a lot of biased scrutiny to determine that the moth was an alien energy anchor being, but common sense cuts through the ridiculous misidentification.

Pictures of moths are not anomalous, they are pictures of moths. They don't stand up to the scrutiny that tries to turn them into alien ET beings, as they are moths.

perhaps CSETI can be persuadent to post better photos and video, and madame Debbie's response to zoomein may indicate that that is in the works!

Originally posted by tezzajw
When a picture is taken of a moth and it also looks like a moth, then common sense dictates that the picture is of a moth.

There is no scrutiny needed to find anything other than a moth, when the insect in the picture is of a moth.

Of course they could be moths! Strange species I must say!

Having said that take a look at some of the 'moths' shot on camera by FOX NEWS in Baghdad. And these 'moths' seem to be HUGE!




Couldn’t be flares or tracers or a dirigible. Is it a camera / NVD glitch? Or a moth? So what do you think it is? It does look like a 'Rod' to me, like this one..



So what's the big deal? If it's a so called 'rod', it may be just one of the millions of insect species indigenous to Earth. WHY SHOULD WE SAY IT'S ALIEN?

Cheers!



[edit on 12-6-2007 by mikesingh]

Great pictures. These objects shown, are not moths or insect. Due to the size. The fog gives a nice distance CUE, hence we can judge they are quite big.
Thank you for the excellent pictures.

I believe we are facing to similar phenomena but still different source.
So I can't really rule out Steven's pictures has moth or insect.
Especially the big glowing one, cause the girl said it was a light above her tent when she took the picture.
So out of the 4 pictures we have originaly, the nature of them cannot be explained with precision. So people are speculating.


[edit on 12-6-2007 by ETDisclosure]

Originally posted by ETDisclosure
Great pictures. These objects shown, are not moths or insect. Due to the size.

What size are they? Please give more details on what size you think they are and how you come to that conclusion.

The fog gives a nice distance CUE, hence we can judge they are quite big.

What fog? A night vision camera is in use.

I believe we are facing to similar phenomena but still different source.

Here's the exact same phenomena. The same as you see in the Baghdad video stills and the same you see in Greer's 'Energy Anchor' video still.

So I can't really rule out Steven's pictures has moth or insect.

Maybe you can't, but I would guess most rational people can!

Originally posted by torsion

What size are they? Please give more details on what size you think they are and how you come to that conclusion.

What fog? A night vision camera is in use.

Maybe you can't, but I would guess most rational people can!

They seem to be many meters wide.
The depth cue, the color, the distance from the camera.
So you are saying I'm not rational?
Maybe you are too Stubborn to accept the evidence shown? Or, too close minded?
The link you provided is a different phenomenon. You can see how isolated the ones shown above are different than the lines shown by your link?
2 Different things in my opinion.

[edit on 12-6-2007 by ETDisclosure]

No, really - I just want to laugh. Loudly.

Ok, they're not moths. They're tumbling, flying forms which have wings that flap and produce the cork-screw like motion on the image.

No, they're not moths, they're alien energy anchor beings especially summoned by the leading professional in extra-terrestrial contact, Dr. Steven Greer.

Oh, man... this stuff sickens me. Ok, they're not moths.

Someone clean up the sarcasm dripping from me, please? If I could roll my eyes any further in my sockets, then I might be able to see the alien energy anchor beings around me in a different spectrum. Yep, they're not moths - there's so many more credible explanations, the first being alien energy anchor beings. Fine, we'll all believe that as we swallow the Kool-Aid.

what is so hard to believe about the notion that these "rods" could be communication/scouting probes of some sort?

Originally posted by MrdDstrbr
what is so hard to believe about the notion that these "rods" could be communication/scouting probes of some sort?

Hey, if you want to accept fiction as fact, then you'll believe in anything.

I thought alien light anchor being things can't be photographed until specifically asked by Greer, so has he been to Iraq and summoned them to help over there ?

See, you can't have it both ways, either alien light anchor being thing (let me call them alabt from hereon) can jam any camera and will and Greer had to be there to make them visible to the heretics eye or alabt forgot to cloak or jam the equipment on DOZENS of occasions. Or maybe you should do your research into moths (which can indeed become quite big in certain subspecies)/photography.

Not conclusive ? Ok another approach - why do you think, alabt pictures have been removed from Greers site as soon as the word MOTH became connected to them ? Fear of being ridiculed ? Greer should be used to it, don't you think ?

Another one - did you take your time to view in some threads here, where some pictures of moths inflight are shown ? Sure, all these pesky photographers and entomologists (?) could fool us all with secretly shooting pics of alabt and selling them as moth pictures, but i prefer to apply the good ole Occam and stay with a) these are moth pictures and b) Greer has become either batshiat crazy or just a Golddigger over the years.



darn typo :/

[edit on 13-6-2007 by Phil J. Fry]

Originally posted by Phil J. Fry
I thought alien light anchor being things can't be photographed until specifically asked by Greer, so has he been to Iraq and summoned them to help over there ?
[edit on 13-6-2007 by Phil J. Fry]

Help in Iraq, so we can take over the industries, oil field and own another population. Help the US to spread like a disease, all over this planet, extended it's tentacles to put in place this New world Order? Ummm, NO.

Amazing how many people signed up on this site to debunk information they have no idea about...

Aren't we here to find out more and have constructive criticism?

You need to watch Ecsa's full length documentaryvideo.google.com... 9967750938&q=Rods+duration%3Along

video.google.com...

Thank you weknowyouknow.
Interesting video. Wonder if that's the same thing that came on the camera on that CSETI Training.

Very nice movie, I just finished watching it.
There is more to all this, than the average debunker JOE on these forums wants to see...
Great find Weknowyouknow.

[edit on 13-6-2007 by ETDisclosure]

"you would think that Science is the pursuit of Truth, but in fact it is the pursuit of Funding" - "Joe" in the film

Originally posted by MrdDstrbr
"you would think that Science is the pursuit of Truth, but in fact it is the pursuit of Funding" - "Joe" in the film

Man, that makes a whole lot of sense. I was talking to a friend of mine that is a computer graphic doctor, and he said, who ever is willing to pay for research, will get the researchers to work for them. And of course, if you want to survive, you will make compromises to work...
Now try to tell me their aren't biased...

Originally posted by Phil J. Fry
I thought alien light anchor being things can't be photographed until specifically asked by Greer, so has he been to Iraq and summoned them to help over there ?

Of course Greer hasn't been to Iraq. If he had the insurgents would have dropped their guns, IEDs and decapitation knives and they'd be playing guitars! Converting men of violence into musicians is something Greer claims to be able to do simply by summoning the flying saucers!

Here's the Baghdad 'rod' explained (half way down the page) and Escamilla's debunked.

I've just been watching a BBC program called Springwatch. It's a live show about wildlife in the UK. They showed some recorded night time footage of an otter using night vision cameras. Lights on the camera attracted numerous moths and other nocturnal insects. I recorded it on my PVR and when the footage is advanced frame by frame some of the moths turn into Greerian Alien Energy Anchors!

What a spoil sport the truth can be! But, hey, continue to deny the truth if you wish!

What a spoil sport the truth can be! But, hey, continue to deny the truth if you wish!

I hope, this wasn't adressed at me, otherwise i'll have to assume, that you somehow misunderstood my post

But otters are cute, anyway