Steven M. Greer releases UFO photographs!

Originally posted by torsion

You Greerians are so lazy! Millerman/MrdD wants someone else to do his leg work and partake in the CSETI 'training'. You keep asking others to provide links to this or proof of that instead of making an effort yourself. A few mouse clicks is all it takes...

I told you, I'll go myself one day, but it might be a while...............

And no one will believe anything I say when I get back anyway.

While we're on the topic of being lazy, have you communicated with CSETI at all torsion? Please, since the members of this site seem to have chosen you as the "leader of the Greer critics", please put those investigative and "critical thinking" skills that you pride yourself on to work, and see if you can get some kind of coherent explanation from CSETI as to why they have never posted any of their video.

Keep in mind, the CSETI coordinator has already admitted that they have the "Gulf Breeze" encounter footage. And she doesn't respond to demanding or accusing tones at ALL, so you have to be civil and polite about it.

Will you do this? Or only continue to blast away at them behind their backs?

Originally posted by torsion

Originally posted by c3hamby
Thanks. Now, would you be so good to post the link to the picture so I may view it?

Greer and his accolytes hid it in shame, as you well know. But if you look at the first page of this thread you will see it clear as day - Greer's Big Rod - an insect flying by his Sony camcorder set to Super Night Vision.

A 35mm camera won't reproduce the same effect, nor will a digital still camera as far as I'm aware. Video certainly works. To get the true corkscrew effect the insect needs to be close to the lens - the wings are what cause the helix pattern. If they are too far away the wings aren't discernable and you will just get a pencil-like rod effect - that's what I have got on my Sony camcorder.

You don't have to film it yourself - recording off tv and pausing frames also works. Wait for a nature program that has lots of flying insects and give it a try.

[edit on 18-6-2007 by torsion]

I'm sorry Tor, I think that I thought you were referring to a picture that you had made yourself. That's what I was referring to when i had asked you to recreate this, I now understand you were referring to still video pics.

Have you posted such a picture from your video camera or do you have the means to do so? If so I would like to see what you have so that you can show what effect you are referring to.

yep, each and everyone of these are insects, thanks for clarifying

Doug Yanega of the Entomology Department at the University of California at Riverside:
a videographic artifact based on the frame capture rate of the videocam versus the wingbeat frequency of the insects. Essentially what you see is several wingbeat cycles of the insect on each frame of the video, creating the illusion of a "rod" with bulges along its length. The blurred body of the insect as it moves forward forms the "rod," and the oscillation of the wings up and down form the bulges. Anyone with a video camera can duplicate the effect, if you shoot enough footage of flying insects from the right distance

Rods explained

Originally posted by Phil J. Fry
yep, each and everyone of these are insects, thanks for clarifying

Rods explained

This is a different Phenomenon. The picture shown is something different than what we call rod. They have certain similarities, but are completely 2 different things.
You got to be blind not to see we are dealing with 2 very distinct phenomenon.

Ahhh, so this picture is easily identified as an insect, while picture of vectored alien energy anchor is actually identified as alien energy anchor/rod. Great, i'm blind.

And by the way, can escamilla also vector alien energy vectors ?
Otherway round, has greer vectored a rod ? i'm confused here.

Originally posted by c3hamby
To respond to your post, I never heard, or don't recall Dr Greer claiming it was an energy comm anchor, unless it was from the posts that someone was posting on behalf of Debbie.

c3hamby, Mouthpiece Debbie is part of Cult Greer. Cult Greer posted on its website that the moth was an alien energy anchor being. Leader Greer made this direct claim when he posted the picture of the moth on his website.

Don't try and embrace ignorance and state that Leader Greer knew nothing about it.

Originally posted by MrdDstrbr
You know, I'd start lining up volunteers and cash to get a rep with a camera out on an actual training, but I have a sinking feeling I could get banned if I did that....
So I'm left shouting into the void for help.... lovely.

Yeah, if you did that you should be banned. ATS is not a platform to recruit more members for the fradulent Cult Greer.

The only reason you are left shouting for help is that you haven't yet paid Leader Greer any money. Pay him with your own funds, then see how much help you receive.

Originally posted by tezzajw

Originally posted by c3hamby
To respond to your post, I never heard, or don't recall Dr Greer claiming it was an energy comm anchor, unless it was from the posts that someone was posting on behalf of Debbie.

c3hamby, Mouthpiece Debbie is part of Cult Greer. Cult Greer posted on its website that the moth was an alien energy anchor being. Leader Greer made this direct claim when he posted the picture of the moth on his website.

Which identity at ATS represents Dr Greer? I'm very confused. Does Debbie have an account at ATS, or was that represented by someone else?

Please lose the attitude.

[edit on 18-6-2007 by c3hamby]

Originally posted by c3hamby
Which identity at ATS represents Dr Greer? I'm very confused. Does Debbie have an account at ATS, or was that represented by someone else?

Of course you are confused, that's not surprising to me. You don't know which part of Cult Greer's dogma to believe and which part to reject.

Leader Greer posted the picture of the moth on his own website and called it an alien energy anchor being.

Originally posted by ETDisclosure

Originally posted by Phil J. Fry
yep, each and everyone of these are insects, thanks for clarifying

Rods explained

This is a different Phenomenon. The picture shown is something different than what we call rod. They have certain similarities, but are completely 2 different things.
You got to be blind not to see we are dealing with 2 very distinct phenomenon.

Right, the "rods" don't leave tracers like that, they look like one distinct object the entire time.

Originally posted by tezzajw

Originally posted by MrdDstrbr
You know, I'd start lining up volunteers and cash to get a rep with a camera out on an actual training, but I have a sinking feeling I could get banned if I did that....
So I'm left shouting into the void for help.... lovely.

Yeah, if you did that you should be banned. ATS is not a platform to recruit more members for the fradulent Cult Greer.

And like I've told you time and again, the idea was not to "recruit" people, the idea was to have ONE representative of ATS go and investigate them properly.

The only reason you are left shouting for help is that you haven't yet paid Leader Greer any money. Pay him with your own funds, then see how much help you receive.

One day, I will go.

But another reason why I am a poor choice is that I have no clue about cameras and video equipment, nor do I own any. I would be going more for the opportunity to meet Greer, for the meditation training, and to see what kind of extraterrestrial wackyness ensues.

Originally posted by Phil J. Fry

Maybe they'll provide us some, if we keep asking them nicely.....

SIX years without the slightest bit of proof and we should ask nicely ?! I thought greer is a nice man with the intent to disclose ?

I say "ask nicely" because the CSETI coordinator doesn't respond to demanding or accusing tones at all whatsoever. (I got a little bit exasperated with her too when she admitted to me that they've had the "Gulf Breeze" footage for 15 years.....)

I suspect that they may be reluctant to post their footage because it isn't as spectacular as people want it to be; it's usually just more bright lights in the sky, like this.

CSETI members and witnesses keep saying that these encounters are much more amazing in person, but difficult to capture with a camera.

That's not correct. He never claimed to possess the device himself, he said they met with an inventor who showed it to them. Allegedly the inventor was very seriously threatened and went into hiding.

Sure, no need to research, got the interview right here

But isn't that akin to the invisible elf in the garden ? Again, without the slightest bit of proof, it's just a story and i heard better. But i agree that Big Oil is indeed pretty close to being evil.

Oh they're not just "pretty close", they are really, really evil, them and the international bankers and military-industrial complex types.

Just to sound not too offensive regarding greer, i actually think sending an ATS person to one of the meetings is a good idea, but i also think, they should do it for free in this case. Would be the best marketing for them, if greer could proof anything, don't you agree ?

Well, if the senior ATS staff actually get talking and negotiating with CSETI, maybe they'll offer to have someone attend for free! Or maybe not. Who knows?

I've tried to nudge the staff in that direction, but I am just one small (and apparently unpopular) voice....

If you support the idea, put it in your suggestions box, and maybe if there's enough demand for it the staff might look into it. But as of right now, the admins haven't commented on this at all either way. (Which I am quite thoroughly creeped out by, actually. Admins, are you pissed at me or what??)

I can't help but wonder, why isn't anyone simply placing some sort of net or trap over or inside the cave that these so called rods are flying back and forth constantly over? IF rods are so commonly filmed all over the world wouldn't it be logical to simply find out a way to capture some and take a closer study or are these some kind of "smart bugs"?

That YouTube video with the reporter going hundreds of miles to a cave just to film and watch "rods" fly around and film them with his low-tech camera sure seemed like a way to milk vacation money from the network when all he had to do is drive to Burbank for the same results. To bad he didn't pack his butterfly net, he could of been a hero.

Bzzzzzz

Originally posted by BuzzingOn
I can't help but wonder, why isn't anyone simply placing some sort of net or trap over or inside the cave that these so called rods are flying back and forth constantly over? IF rods are so commonly filmed all over the world wouldn't it be logical to simply find out a way to capture some and take a closer study or are these some kind of "smart bugs"?

I am pretty sure they have done things like that, they have been out there with nets and things trying to catch a sample..... but never have.

Which indicates to me that they are not mere insects.

Now wait a second here, please.

But another reason why I am a poor choice is that I have no clue about cameras and video equipment, nor do I own any.

But you can see, what's an insect and what's a "rod" ? Without any clue on things like shutterspeed etc. ? Not a very good position to seriously discuss this effect,in fact this is quite like a discussion on aviation with a person unaware of the bernoulli effect. Please before talking about the subject, inform yourself at least on the basics. Get all the information you can get, weigh it, look what's more probable and come to a conclusion.

I am pretty sure they have done things like that, they have been out there with nets and things trying to catch a sample..... but never have.

This is a little gem here. You are "pretty sure" that they tried, but you don't know, you don't even take the time to back up your position with a little websearch, but you can tell, that these are not insects ?

Please, do some basic research about the things you say. I don't even expect you to get a cam and test it for yourself, but posting on a thread about a photografic effect without knowing at least the basics is pointless. The ugly ( and probably not wanted ) side effect is, that you have to get away from belief and into knowledge. Sometimes this means to accept the simple, mundane but proven truth.

Originally posted by Phil J. Fry

I am pretty sure they have done things like that, they have been out there with nets and things trying to catch a sample..... but never have.

This is a little gem here. You are "pretty sure" that they tried, but you don't know, you don't even take the time to back up your position with a little websearch, but you can tell, that these are not insects ?

Jose Escamilla and team have done real investigation into it. They've experimented with different cameras and shutter speeds, tried to catch a sample, everything. They show and talk about these things in the videos.

I trust his educated and experienced opinion over someone like torsion's any day.

Show me a "rod" video taken from an environment below freezing temperatures (winter in Montana, say?) and I may be conviced to eat me hat, until then bugs they be. I guarantee one can not be found and if it is its hoaxed. "Rod" sightings in the US nearly evaporate during the winter months, funny isnt it? Or at minimun, they dissappear from areas where the weather is inclimate for bugs.

And as far as netting them? A butterfly net will do wonders, but then again those who drank the koolaid re: "rods" certainly couldnt afford to be seen running around with butterfly nets, could they?

It is amazing the lengths people will go to make the mundane spectacular.....

Originally posted by MrdDstrbr
I trust his educated and experienced opinion over someone like torsion's any day.

Yup, the more experience at filming insects you have, the better those pictures of insects will be. Actually, the first Mothra picture was the best ever. It has been unequalled. You could see his fuzzy little head, his legs, his wings, and his fuzzy anntenae coming off the top--beautiful shot.

But, seriously, millerman, all these small lights in the sky, all this talk of insects, it's not doing you any good. It's not a very good recruitment tool. I dare say that most people, when they take a good look at this stuff, are going to come away from it thinking "These guys can't seriously think these bugs are aliens!" and you lose them. Greer loses them. This is true EVEN IF Mothra really is an energy anchor being. If that's all you got, it ain't much. Just think of the quality of recruit you can attract with Mothra. Do you REALLY want this kind of person to join up? They'll be seeing energy anchor beings in every house fly that manages to poo on a window. That's diverting energy from 'the cause.'

Let me use an analogy. Let's say you want to recruit for the army. You put out the word that recruits will be taught how to shoot the latest technology single-shot bb gun, drive a state-of-the-art go-cart, and be trained in the latest computer technology on VIC-20's and Apple II machines. Sign right up!

Hmm, probably won't drive quality recruits to your doorstep, right? I don't think so either. So, you really need to dump Mothra and Mr. Roddie and get a new advertising agency, one with some zip, some cool looking aliens, and the ability to hold the attention of someone with an IQ over 100. Then your success will be obvious and you'll be turning away people.

Originally posted by schuyler

But, seriously, millerman, all these small lights in the sky, all this talk of insects, it's not doing you any good. It's not a very good recruitment tool. I dare say that most people, when they take a good look at this stuff, are going to come away from it thinking "These guys can't seriously think these bugs are aliens!" and you lose them.

Well guess what? I don't give a flying crap what YOU think, or what "most people" think!

"most people", are SHEEPLE, who believe whatever they are trained by authority figures and the idiot tube to believe....