Vatican Official Declares Extraterrestrial Contact Is Real

Hello there Monk, thanks for your contribution.
If you had read the thread there is more than enough evidence that the Vatican believes there are other life forms.
Consolmagno and Balducci , 2 very high ranking Vatican figures both state this.
some of us are waiting on email replys that we have sent to Vatican and other Catholic spokespeople.
There is much evidence provided.
And more will be posted.

Here is a great Interview with Consolmagno on a Catholic site..

"Do I believe intelligent life outside of earth is possible? Sure," he said. "The odds of us being the only planet with intelligent life are miniscule. Either there is life, intelligent life, out there waiting to discover us or there isn't, and we are all alone. Intelligent life has to be self-aware, have the ability to make decisions, and to choose or not to choose. Alien intelligence would have to be a creature of God because God created everything. So, in what sense are they alien? They are our relations, our brothers and sisters. No, I don't believe in 'alien' life. It is there because it is a creation of God. I don't rule anything out, but I am not afraid of it, either."

link
www.catholic-doc.org...

More interesting views from Consolmagno, and it looks like he has a similar agenda for the Vatican as Balducci.

Consolmagno’s job is to shore up the crumbling edifice of the Church
against the acidic drip, drip, drip of rationality and science . “To me
there is no clash between faith and science,” he says. “My religion
teaches me that God created the universe, but my science teaches me how
he did it. Religion doesn’t become obsolete like a science text book. In
3000 years, people will still be reading the Bible, but they will not be
reading the science texts of today.”

That tension between science and religion is the backdrop to his life’s
work, and Consolmagno has been granted a special dispensation from the
Church to produce a book called Intelligent Life In The Universe?
Catholic Belief And The Search For Extra-Terrestrial Life. Published by
the Vatican’s Catholic Truth Society, it explores an issue which could –
theoretically – reduce the spires and steeples of Rome to rubble.

The Roman Catholic Church has, in the past, been obliged to rue its
mistakes: the Crusades, the Inquisition, wartime acquiescence by certain
clergy with Nazism. But it was the scientific cock-ups, not the moral
ones, that really threatened the institution’s authority. Having taken
more than 350 years to admit its mistake in convicting Galileo of heresy
for insisting that the Earth orbited the sun, the Church seems keen to
demonstrate that it is no longer the natural haven for scientific
dunces: hence, Consolmagno and his peculiar little book.

It’s Consolmagno’s job to finesse any looming doctrinal difficulties
that the search for extraterrestrial intelligence may present for His
Holiness Pope Benedict XVI.

link
www.mail-archive.com...@yahoogroups.com/msg00306.html

I find this most interesting.
The Vatican have asked him to do this book and also have published it.

That tension between science and religion is the backdrop to his life’s
work, and Consolmagno has been granted a special dispensation from the
Church to produce a book called Intelligent Life In The Universe?
Catholic Belief And The Search For Extra-Terrestrial Life. Published by
the Vatican’s Catholic Truth Society, it explores an issue which could –
theoretically – reduce the spires and steeples of Rome to rubble.

here is the same article, in the Sunday Herald.
findarticles.com...

[edit on 24-4-2007 by Shadoww]

Consolmagno cites biblical evidence for the existence of E.T.s

Another bit of Biblical evidence is the opening of John’s Gospel, who tells us that The Word (which is to say, the Incarnation of God) was present from the beginning; it is part and parcel of the woof and weave of the universe.

Just how this “Word” might be “spoken” to the rest of the intelligent universe, I don’t know. But it will be in “words” (that is, events) appropriate to those beings. In any event, good extraterrestrials (ETs), just like good humans, do not need to know about Christ for salvation; that’s the tradition of “baptism by desire.”

The point there is that, even though the life of Jesus occurred at a specific space-time point, on a particular world line (to put it in general relativity terms), it also was an event that John’s Gospel describes as occurring in the beginning—the one point that is simultaneous in all world lines, and so present in all time and in all space. Thus, there can only be one Incarnation—though various ET civilizations may or may not have experienced that Incarnation in the same way that Earth did.

link
www.timboucher.com...

It appears that the Vatican (Catholic Church) is accelerating its Public Acclimation Program to assure its faithful, and anyone else who will listen, that Star Visitors are real, are in the Bible, and are children of God, too.
First the Vatican "let" Monsignor Corrado Balducci go on Italian national television five times to proclaim that the encounters people are having with Star Visitors are real, not a delusion, and not a case of demon possession. Further, that these Star Visitors appear to be more advanced, intellectually and spiritually, than Humans.
and (April, 2006) another Vatican-sanctioned spokesperson, a Harvard and MIT-trained Ph.D, Jesuit Brother Guy Consolmagno, an expert astronomer at the Vatican Observatory atop Mount Graham, Arizona, has spoken up.
In the current (April, 2006) edition of Harper's Magazine, Consolmagno writes, "There are, unquestionably, nonhuman intelligent beings in the Bible", and gives numerous citations. He also quotes Jesus as saying, "I have other sheep that do not belong to this fold."
Perhaps the Vatican astronomer's boldest statement is, "And perhaps it's not so far-fetched to see the Second Person of the Trinity not only as the Son of Man but also as a Child of other races ."
He goes on to ask, "Any creature of this universe, created and loved by the same God who created and loves us, ...Would they deserve to be called alien?"
He reminds his readers that God is "Bigger than whatever parallel universes may or may not exist beyond our own." And that God is "able to concentrate His entire effort, energy and love on each one of us tiny individuals on this tiny planet. And, I have confidence, on any other individuals on any other planet as well."

Heres another Jesuit Vatican priest who is claiming the existence of E.T.s
The more i look in to this the more astonishing info there is.


JESUIT ANNOUNCES: THE E.TS. THEY EXIST, THEY ARE OUR BROTHERS
of Alfred Lissoni, publicist and teacher trained to the teaching of the religion - you/they can rejoyce ufologi and contattisti. The Thirsts vaticano recognizes existence of angels and alien! After the announcement of the Pope, brought by the Tg3 Leonardo, according to which the Church favorable e' to the idea of the existence of the extraterrestrial, e' father's time Jose' Luis, that surprises crowds with a burning affirmation. "Him extraterrestrials exist and they are our brothers", it has declared to the journalist scientific Franco Forest Martin (for the Messenger of the evening of 13-6-00, www.cun-italia.net...). Father Funes, a Jesuit 36 year-old Argentinian, not it has only two degrees (one in astrophysics and one in theology), but e' above all narrow collaborator of father Coyne, the Jesuit that follows the project Thirsts vaticano. Funes does part of the VATT (Vatican Advanced Technology Telescope), the section of the Group of Search of the observatory Vatican, of room to Tucson, Arizona, within the project Stargate' (not is made proud who misuses publishingly of this name), of which do part the Jesuit Richards Goyle, scientist and Chris Corbally, assistant manager of the Group. Fundamental his study on Disks galattici and disco' galaxies (theme of the conference organized in Rome by the Specola Vaticana in the Pontifical one Universita' Gregoriana from the 12 to June 16 together with father George V. Coyne, Henry Corsini and Francis Bertola of the Universita' in Padua, father's teacher Funes). "In a typical galaxy, a heap of one hundred billion stars, there you/they could be crowds of twin planets of the Earth, with living beings as us", it has declared the young Jesuit to the Messenger of the evening, expressing si' personal opinions, but of weight a great deal remarkable. "If, as I believe, them they exist, brothers of the creation can be considered. Me I think that in the other planets of the solar system very primitive forms as bacteria exist only or virus. The evolved civilta's are distant, for now invisible and unattainable, as the angels, also them brothers of the creation." Father Funes e' known for to have observed and photographed (together with Michael Cappellari) the galaxies S0 - he/she Knows in the May of 99. Sources: Messenger of the evening, to Happen 13-6-00; Tg3 Leonardo 9-6-00; Guy's Stargate Consolmagno 8-4-98; To Astra 11-98; Forthcoming Volumes of the ASP Conference Series; VATT 19-8-99.

shadoww,

Great thread BTW. (and I have read it all, including some research of my own).

BUT the problem I am having with all of this is that all of it is based on Balducci’s and Consolmagno’s OPINIONS neither of them actually say they have concrete proof of Star Visitors or have they provided any. Just saying you believe does not mean its true.

The Vatican has a problem really, if it censors what they are saying for whatever reason it looks like a cover up and if they support them it would be the biggest story ever and plastered over every news channel in the world, aliens might as well have landed on the front lawn of the Whitehouse! No, its better to say nothing and it will eventually go away.

Thanks Smartie...
Im not saying the Vatican have come out and blatantly said it to be true..
What i know is Balducci is working on a Vatican commission that in his own words is for helping the Vatican to " cope" with disclosure..
All i am saying is that they are laying a fouindation down for disclosure, incorporated it into the Catholic doctrine, published a book with answers to questions about E.T.s and the Catholic church.
Yes the Vatican has not blatantly told the world there is E.T.s, but these actions speak volumes.
The fact they have been allowed to speak like this and even been give grants to release books on the subject, and that it has been allowed to be said to congegations.. means that they expect disclosure.

lol, you say it like these people are rebels and loose cannons.
No way... look what happened to Coyne.
Sacked because of his public views on evolution.
Balducci is a very high standing, chief Demonologist and a very important Vatican official.
Consolmagno was appointed as chief astronomer by the Pope.
these are not rebels, they are doing exactly what the Vatican wants them to
otherwise they would be sacked or shushed up.
Both of their agendas originate at the Vatican hierarchy.


your right it is a huge story.
People just dont seem to understand its depth and meaning.

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I think you are right if what the Vatican is doing (re the disclosure part) is true, its in their interests to make a gradual change in their stance. I’m sure I have read somewhere that the Vatican has recently changed the way it talks about God? I’m sure it was God of Heaven and Earth but is now including the Universe, I could be wrong on this.

I’ll keep looking.

there has been a lot of change in their doctrine Smartie you are right.
I have seen this whilst researching.


The Roman Catholic Church has held its position on many subjects over the centuries. For example, it hasn't changed its position on abortion or homosexuality. It probably never will.

Yet, some things have changed with the times, including their stance on UFOs and extraterrestrial life. Giordano Bruno once wrote:

“Innumerable suns exist! Innumerable earths circle around their suns, no worse and no less inhabited than this globe of ours. For no reasonable mind can assume that heavenly bodies that may be far more magnificent than ours would not bear upon them creatures similar or even superior to those upon our human Earth.”

Giordano Bruno was "burned at the stake by Church Bishops for teachings against the Church" in February of 1600. This recent news from the Vatican reflects the magnitude of change since Giordano died in the name of science (see "Vatican priest"). It reflects an open-minded, honest approach to the subject of UFOs and extraterrestrial life; they've come along way since since the 17th century AD.

then we read what Balducci, Coyne and Consolmagno say..
Very obvious change in stance.

Saw this thread a few days ago and was going to post then.

Been away from the computer for a couple of days and when I began browsing just now, saw that in the interim this thread had grown by another dozen and more pages !

Reason I was going to post when I first saw this thread was to say that I first read the 'Balducci News' several years ago, in Nexus or New Dawn; it must have been in the late 1990s or early 2000s.

Back then, the article quoting Balducci was virtually identical to that in the OP, if memory serves correctly. The article even said that Balducci had been on national tv in Italy several times in recent months to let people know 'aliens are real' sort of thing. Same story.

The story is similar to the one about the Vatican allegedly acknowledging that EVPs 'are real' ... and are the 'real' voices of the deceased. This story goes on to claim that the Vatican authorised and funded extensive research into EVPs, via 'two Jesuits' who reportedly wrote a book in which they claim to have recorded 77,000 voices of the deceased (or something along those lines).

Malachi Martin wrote some hair-raising tales and was touted as being 'official Vatican exorcist'.

So who knows. At the time I read the above (and other) claims, I was fairly impressed. I mean the word 'Vatican' used in conjunction with Balducci and his aliens and Martin's 'evil spirits', etc. carries an apparent 'seal of genuiness'. Readers can't imagine that people (Balducci for example) would be permitted by the Vatican to make such claims unless they'd been 'officially approved' by the Vatican top brass.

But when you see the story of Balducci's claims being trotted out for public consumption numerous times in seven or more years --- you begin to think 'agenda'. Or hogswash. Or sensationalistic 'filler' in this or that publication, etc. Balducci enjoys notoriety; attention maybe? Or maybe the story is similar to those old chestnuts (long since disproved) which are still dutifully included in newly published 'paranormal' books: e.g. the coffin that floated around the world, complete with occupant and landed in the place of its occupant's birth or whatever.

If Balducci is still making the same claims which shot him to fame seven or eight years ago and is still quoting his original claims word for word, then is he to be taken seriously?

Or is the current 'Balducci claim that ufos/aliens are real' simply a dredged up repeat of yesterday's news to fuel the alien-belief that seems to dominate so many forums? Are we being subjected to 'repeat it enough and the sheepies will accept it as true'? Are we being primed for holographic representations of an 'alien/ufo takeover' ?

After all, Orson Well's little escapade succeeded in creating panic, way back in the 1940s. If it worked once, it will work again, thinks the NWO engineers --- especially when the performance is rendered far, far more believable via the relatively superior technology of c2007 (well, probably 2050 technology, if we believe the military possess technolggy 40 years in advance of what is released to the sheepies).

What I would like the Vatican to start making announcements about are the damned Chemtrails ! It's not as if they could fail to be aware of them. Italy's not a large country by any means and it's being bombed by Chems, to the point 'protesters' have picketed Italian airports and it was in the Italian (and other newscasts) that several people died from the effects of Chems, only a year or so ago.

If the Vatican's in any way interested in going mainstream, I'd suggest it begins by using its clout to fix things at grassroots levels first -- throw some weight behind demands for information about Chemtrails: their ingredients, purpose and whatever 'authority' the 'authorities' claim permits them to poison the populace without the populace's knowledge or consent. THEN, when the Chemtrails issue is 'opened' -- sure, by all means Vatican --- start dabbling in ufos/aliens if you deem it 'priority'.

Although --- I think the Vatican should get out of people's bedrooms and sex-lives and reproductive issues BEFORE it turns its attention to ufos/aliens. BECAUSE --- if 'aliens have always been here' --- what's the rush? Yep. I can think of a whole raft of issues which the Vatican needs to get up to speed on before launching itself into 'alien/ufo' territory.

Anyway ------ the Balducci story is years and years old. And based on the OP, that story hasn't changed one iota in all those years. No 'official' Vatican confirmation, no further information .... just endless 'repeats', like 'I Love Lucy'.

ermmm... nice post.
yes some of the Balducci stories are old news.
the fact he was brought up again is because he has just done another TV appearance.
Nor does the thread rely on one person.

The thread discusses Consolmagno, Coyne as well as brief appearances from other Vatican figures as well as Balducci.

Just because something was said several years ago does not make it irrelevant or BS..
His past interviews have been re-examined because of his new interviews.

The important issue Balducci brings to the table is the things he says..
Once his credibility had been proven beyond doubt, his words take on an even more significant meaning.

interresting period of time..

Giordano Bruno was "burned at the stake by Church Bishops for teachings against the Church" in February of 1600.

Galileo was ordered to Rome to stand trial on suspicion of heresy in 1633.
He was ordered imprisoned; the sentence was later commuted to house arrest for the rest of his life.

Galileo began his telescopic observations in the later part of 1609, and by March of 1610 was able to publish a small book,
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The Sienese painter, Bonaventura Salimbeni, at the end of the 1500’s, was awarded a commission for a work to be executed for the right hand altar of the Church of San Pietro at Montalcino.
His work was to be completed for the year 1600 because the commission was to commemorate the Christian Jubilee that year.
The painting has been signed:

Ventura Salimbeni/pittor serenis/fecit/anni jubilei/1600.

The artist carried out his commission on time.



The painting is structured vertically and the Holy Eucharist is placed in the geometric centre surrounded by various holy people and priests on each side.


In the upper part of the painting the Holy Trinity is depicted: On the right is God the Father, on the left is God the Son, and above Them in the centre, is the Dove which represents the Holy Spirit.
In the lower left one of the people wears a crown similar to that of a Pope – it is believed to be Pope Clemente VII.

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the Holy Eucharist looks like those things in Starwars - Holographic communication.

Hey - your phone is calling!. Or -
The Lord's Supper and the Breaking of Bread?
j/k.

[edit on 24-4-2007 by Ram]
That picture is really weird.

[edit on 24-4-2007 by Ram]

It is a bit weird, it looks like a Satelite or a transmitter..
Have seen it before, but didnt pay much attention.

yes - but we can quickly be decieved.

I just made this illustration based on my own studies.






PS:just look at my avatar

you see the cross in the center -
Of both pictures..

ALPHA & OMEGA

It's originally old mytology - The druids - Odin - Thor - Nordic Mytology.
Astrology. That is the midgaards worm - Eating it's own tail around the globe.

You can ask yourself now.
Why is Astology demonic in the name of the church?
Bitches burnes on the stake of fire. Why?

This is the small but important beginning to real knowlegde -

Sunday - is a holy day. you go to church on sundays - that is where preist fill you with BS ect.

[edit on 24-4-2007 by Ram]

All this talk about Catholics and ETs reminds me that it was a Jesuit Priest that made me aware of crop circles and Dr Greer's work around the Disclosure Project.

I believe there is something going on within the Catholic church around this issue.

If --- as Balducci claims --- aliens/ufos 'have always been here -- they are real' etc. --- then what changes?

Reportedly, there are eye-witnesses depictions of 'fleets of ufos' crossing the skies 800, 900 years ago. Ancient Sub-Continent manuscripts mention 'wars in the skies' and detail these flying craft. In England several hundred years ago, the entire congretation of a church reportedly watched a 'flying ship' (complete with sails) float slowly over their heads. The occupants of the craft reportedly 'waved' to those below and one of those below reportedly grasped the anchor and was carried skywards. Reportedly, the anchor and a section of rope/chain are still to be seen outside the church, the explanation being that the occupants of the craft dropped the anchor upon which the man was being carried aloft.

Several months ago, someone here in ATS provided twenty or more paintings, each several hundred years old, in which various depictions of ufos are to be found. There's no doubt the 'craft' and/or objects contained within the photos are of extraterrestrial origin: when the paintings were created, there were no flying craft in existence which had their origins on earth.

There are also numerous written descriptions of flying craft contained within writings many hundreds of years old.

We occupy this tiny fragment of Time and many alive now believe the world was created around them: that Time began when they hit the planet and will end when they depart. Not so of course. We have far more efficient communications systems now than ever before and these allow us to discuss matters in a way not available to those of previous eras. But ufos/aliens -- like cockroaches -- were here before we got here and doubtless they'll still be around when we are no longer. We didn't 'discover' ufos/aliens: they were not sent here especially for those of this era. That's if we accept as genuine the 'old/ancient' written, painted and carved 'evidence' for ufos/aliens claimed to lie in museums, dusty manuscripts, caves, etc.

We could be being duped. According to reports, the CIA and other 'intelligence' organisations 'wrote' and published thousands of books of a New Age bent, beginning back in the late 50's, early 60's. These books were well publicised and promoted. Many people read them, even though they may have forgotten doing so. I have a couple of hundred. Lost the lot at one point and painstakingly -- over several years --- set about replacing them. They include the Van Danikens, Bergier and Pauwell's 'Morning of the Magician', all of Lyall Watson's, most of Mitchell's (my spelling may be a bit off, seeing I don't have access to these books right this moment) and dozens of others, most with the original 60's psychedelic art work covers. I read them avidly and believed them absolutely.

Later, I began to wonder if 'aliens' were of paranormal origin. But then, how to explain the 'foo fighters' of WW2? Hardbitten, experienced airmen fighting for their lives and country were hardly the sort of people who'd 'invent' something as inexplicable as the 'foo fighters'.

I read Bruce Cathie. I have a book filled with colour photos taken from a plane above New Zealand and there is NO explanation that can explain the objects/creatures in those photos: not 'weather baloons' or 'tricks of the light'. They're proof, seemingly, that we share our skies with things not of this earth.

But then, WHO actually wrote the books -- do we know, beyond all doubt? Do we know beyond all doubt that someone in the 13th or 16th century actually DID include 'alien/ufos' in their paintings? Were we there? Do we know for sure that those ufos weren't added to existing paintings by people with an agenda, a lot of money and powerful publicity machine?

We're TOLD that ancient documents, religious manuscripts, paintings, etc. make mention or 'show' an awareness of 'aliens/ufos'. But if someone were intent upon convincing people that ufos/aliens DO exist NOW --- they would (to establish credibility of 'aliens/ufos') seek to convince us that these things have 'always' been around.

It's claimed that governments desperately 'cover up' and 'deny' the existence of 'aliens/ufos'. If that's their intention, they're incredibly inept, aren't they? If governments are seeking to 'cover up' these things, they're doing a really bad job of it. Alleged 'whistle blowers' are a dime a dozen. I can't count the number of times I've read: ' Ex-NASA scientist reveals' -- ' Ex-top-brass-military comes clean about ufos' --- 'Ex-astronaut tells all ', etc.

'Incriminating' photos of tunnels, domes, faces, etc. on Mars and the Moon et all are all over the Net. 'Tell All' books rank in their thousands. Umpteen websites are devoted to intensive analysis and scrutiny of NASA photos. Thousands of ordinary folk post their photos of 'things' in the sky every day.

So how can it be a 'conspiracy of silence' on the part of governments and others responsible for 'hiding things from the public' --- when ufos/alien 'evidence' is EVERYwhere?

We have politicians, ex-Presidents, serving Presidents, airforce and military, pilots, etc. from all over the world telling us: ' I'm not supposed to tell you this but Yes -- aliens/ufos exist '.

And now, reportedly, we have Vatican sources doing the same, for years.

Secret ?

Gee, there's more secrecy about Santa Claus.

ALL this 'secret' information and SO readily available !

Little bit 'oversell' ?

Wars are planned decades in advance. We're just little sheepies all too aware of our mortality: we seldom see the Big Picture. We're not members of the World Planners, those with agendas.

The first 'ufo/alien/flying saucer' reports emerged in the late 1940's. Hitler was producing 'flying saucer' machines only a couple of years prior.

The 50's saw the masses' introduction to these objects on wide scale via the movies and tv and comic books.

In the 60's the masses were introduced to 'hidden archaelogy' and New Age books, complete with photos of 'ancient astronauts' and their craft. There were photos and drawings of 'newly scrutinised' ancient objects in museums: the little 'plane' which had previously been considered a bird, the 'ancient battery' etc. And it sparked everyone's imagination. There were the 'alien' objects discovered in very old paintings and etchings, which were claimed to have been 'overlooked' and 'misinterpreted' for centuries. Van Daniken 'reinterpreted' just about everything and even though much of his claims were thoroughly debunked, the belief continued.

People wanted/want to believe that 'creatures' (aliens) from other dimensions/star systems etc. are 'good guys', here to save us.

Yet if -- as Balducci for example claims -- 'these things have always been here', then they're doing a #e job of 'saving us', don't you think?

Most people -- when they speak of mass slaughter -- refer to the First and Second World Wars. And that would be bad enough. But the fact is, people have been slaughtered in their tens of thousands since Time began. Doesn't sound much, when you're talking of strangers who lived hundreds of years ago dying in their thousands. But they were just like us: they were terrorised, agonised, tortured, bled, cried, died in fear -- most of them just ordinary people, wrong time and place.

This world is soaked in human blood. There's barely a place in existence that hasn't seen slaughter on horrific scale.

So if these 'aliens' have always 'been here' --- what they hell have they done apart from watch ... and maybe enjoy?

Yet people get all excited because some guy who's paid for his time by the Vatican announces 'aliens are real'. Like 'Wow -- they're real, the Vatican says so. Hurrah! Oh joy! Our buddies are REAL ! '

Ok. If we accept they ARE real

...... So?

err... i dont recall Balducci stating anywhere that they always have been here..
I also consider it massively important that someone as high in the Vatican as him says that E.T.s are real, and that they have Souls.
It is very significant and shows a shift in policy.
I dont seem to get your point at all.. maybe there isnt one..
I certainly didnt create the UFO phenomena, i realize sightings have been round for 1000s of years.
Maybe explaining that to an archaeologist wasnt your cleverest idea.

Would like to discuss your "points" further, but im afraid the volume of your post is tripe, and based on Balducci saying they have always been here..
whilst putting accross what you think is our ignorance in not stating the history of the UFO
This thread is about modern Vatican thought and Disclosure,
Not a History lesson.
Im betting your american..? but thats irrelevant.

Thanks once more for your well thought out and cleverly reasoned input.

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Lets discuss the subject minus the sarcasm and personal snipes.

Thank you.