Vatican Official Declares Extraterrestrial Contact Is Real

Originally posted by brigand
First of all, don't try to make assumptions about who I am or about my beliefs. The only reason I am reacting to this thread is because it is blatently obvious to me and many other members of ATS that you are spreading lies and misinformation.

How many members are you speaking for?

I am not included among them.

All's i see in this thread is a bunch of people in denial(mentioning no names).
For a start Shadoww has provided the links, hell some of the links have even been posted twice!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I have been laughing at the stupidity of people in this thread, whats the point in saying this is all BS when people havn't even bothered to find out the facts for them selves, i mean LOL all the info required is in this damn thread

Im afraid him being a leading Vatical official has been proven beyond any doubt.
Saying otherwise is ignorant or plain lies.
Everything i post is true or to the best of my knowledge,
There is no misleading going on.
What we are seeing is denial, a psychologist friend of mine read this thread and told me to relax, he told me the style of posting being received is totally normal considering the subject of discussion.
Things like this go against peoples most inner beliefs of everything they have been taught..
Some people are still not ready for disclosure, and that is probably why it hasnt happened yet.

OK folks, let's take a chill pill here. Discuss the topic, not each other.

Originally posted by Shadoww
Im afraid him being a leading Vatical official has been proven beyond any doubt.
Saying otherwise is ignorant or plain lies.

This is getting silly. A short google search should be enough to verify what shadoww is claiming: Balducci is a vatican official and his statements represent his personal views and are not the official pronouncements of the Vatican. This should be a given. What we should be arguing over is the substance of Balducci's beliefs and whether we should view them as more than the views of one person.

Originally posted by SKUNK2
For a start Shadoww has provided the links, hell some of the links have even been posted twice!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

There is a difference between posting random links and posting GOOD links. I have yet to see a link from a reputable source of quality information; Independant websites are worthless as far as quality research is concerned. Seriously, as I mentioned before, go to a University and find out how to find quality information from reliable sources. Then, show them the links that were provided in this thread and you may very well get laughed at.

I do not mean this as a dig to anyone on this forum, but seriously folks, ATS requires good source information. I repeat GOOD source information.

Originally posted by niv
A short google search should be enough to verify what shadoww is claiming: Balducci is a vatican official and his statements represent his personal views and are not the official pronouncements of the Vatican. This should be a given.

Ok...so show me the links that prove this. I don't want to see links to independant internet sites, UFO sites, demonology sites, independant Catholic sites, etc. I want you to show me a link to a website that proves exactly what you just stated, you know, if it was major news even a link to an Italian news station, the BBC, the Vatican website itself!

Shadoww is claiming that Balducci is speaking on behalf of the Vatican, again PROVE IT! Shadoww can provide thousands of links to websites that frankly couldn't be trusted in any research paper, but still has yet to provide one good link to anything else.

I believe in UFO's and Aliens myself, I am not Catholic, nor religious for that matter, and I have no alterior motive to downplay what Shadoww is saying. All I want is proof, and yet I still wait for it...

That is the problem jazz.....you can't do what you ask....not possible.

Universities teach evolution from a swamp.

Bring ET in to the equation and all of what is taught in schools, becomes obsolete.

Physics = anti gravity

Science = free energy

Evolution = creation

This is uncharted water we are treading in. It throws all of what people have been taught, out the window.

It took a brain hemorage to wake me up, so I can see why it is so hard for people to accept.

ET does understand our fears, this is why we are being gradually brought up to speed.

There have been some negative agenda ET's around, but the good guys will prevail.

ET that have the final say on this, are the most compationate, loving beings you will ever know. There is no need to fear them, they love us like I love my children.

I have been told it is the remains of some ET's with evil agendas, working with humans, that are causing most of what is considered to be harmfull for us. Abductions, etc, are more a result of cloning done by humans to other humans, working with evil ET's.

I have also been told that this activity is being terminated. These negative entities are being rounded up and put where they can't cause problems. We are already free from a lot of negative influence. The system needs to change now

Originally posted by JazzermanOk...so show me the links that prove this. I don't want to see links to independant internet sites, UFO sites, demonology sites, independant Catholic sites, etc. I want you to show me a link to a website that proves exactly what you just stated, you know, if it was major news even a link to an Italian news station, the BBC, the Vatican website itself!

Will a Catholic monastic publishing company do?

why this is of any import at all. I remember when this was discussed in 1998, the original story's year of publishing.

Balducci made these claims 9 years ago and absolutely nothing has come out of the Vatican since.

Where's the point to all this back and forth? If we concede the fact Balducci is associated with the Vatican or not makes no difference does it?

Considering 9 years has passed and nothing has come of it I just dont see the relevence of it now.

Springer...



[edit on 4-24-2007 by Springer]

Originally posted by SpringerConsidering 9 years has passed and nothing has come of it I just dont see the relevence of it now.

True, good point.

i dont know if this has been said yet but i didnt look through all 18 pages of the thread but the vatican guy looks like the same priest who is in the Fastwalkers Video
he comes up at 51:10. hope that helps

Good day Springer and good point, the relevance to it now is that Balducci has recently been back on tv and has recently spoke at a UFO conference..
He has been very active in the last year.
It also isnt just on Balducci , it is other Vatican figures such as Consolmagno have spoken lately, he was even commisioned by the Vatican to discuss the impact Extraterrestrial life will have on Catholic doctrine and how it could be absorbed in to a Catholic world for a Book.
The purpose of the thread is to talk about the signs of disclosure being put out in dribs and drabs and change in policy by the church.
The reason some of the older Balducci stuff got brought up is because once i found and proved him to be totally credible, his words become more significant.

[edit on 24-4-2007 by Shadoww]

Has this been posted?

www.pufoin.com...

Baldo wrote it in 2001.

Originally posted by niv
Will a Catholic monastic publishing company do?

Ok, its a Catholic publishing company in Australia that has one small blurb about Balducci. We are getting there, but what exactly does this prove? That he wrote a book? How can I possibly know his credentials are correct when I cannot even find them on the Vatican's own website?

I am not about disproving anything Shadoww is saying, hell, for all I know it could be 100% true. However, I cannot base my conclusions on a guy that is allegedly speaking with the Vatican (no proof), tells me Balducci is speaking FOR the Vatican (no proof), and has yet to prove anything beyond Balducci simply being a theologian expressing his own views.

Please...someone prove me wrong. Seriously, I want to believe everything Shadoww has said, but the evidence presented so far does not hold up to scrutiny. I am not being sarcastic at all, I just want to see the evidence for what people are saying. Does anyone expect to convince others of their beliefs just because they say "I said so."

I wouldn't expect anyone on this forum to believe any Hypothesis or theory I put forth, without presenting CREDIBLE sources that support my Hypothesis. I expect the same from anyone, especially when they claim something as big as the Vatican declaring Aliens are real, and that it is supported by everyone from the Pope on down.

Originally posted by Springer
why this is of any import at all. I remember when this was discussed in 1998, the original story's year of publishing.

Thanks for bringing that issue up Springer it is a very important one and needs to be addressed as you will see shadoww is still under the impression this took place or some of it took place this year because of the reporting (republishing) of the 9 year old story

Originally posted by Shadoww
Good day Springer and good point, the relevance to it now is that Balducci has recently been back on tv and has recently spoke at a UFO conference..
He has been very active in the last year.
It also isnt just on Balducci , it is other Vatican figures such as Consolmagno have spoken lately, he was even commisioned by the Vatican to discuss the impact Extraterrestrial life will have on Catholic doctrine and how it could be absorbed in to a Catholic world for a Book.
The purpose of the thread is to talk about the signs of disclosure being put out in dribs and drabs and change in policy by the church.
The reason some of the older Balducci stuff got brought up is because once i found and proved him to be totally credible, his words become more significant.

Now if you would kindly ask him to furnish current dates and information that backs up his contentions. he clams to have me on ignore since I proved the individual is not even listed as being on the Vatican staff. Perhaps he will listen to you but I truly doubt he will give what is asked for.
Oh and I would make it very clear you are looking for new letters, news articles from the media and local TV stations showing current dates, not republished atrcles that are nine years old.

[edit on 4/24/2007 by shots]

Originally posted by win 52
It took a brain hemorage to wake me up, so I can see why it is so hard for people to accept.

ET does understand our fears, this is why we are being gradually brought up to speed.

There have been some negative agenda ET's around, but the good guys will prevail.

ET that have the final say on this, are the most compationate, loving beings you will ever know. There is no need to fear them, they love us like I love my children.

I have been told it is the remains of some ET's with evil agendas, working with humans, that are causing most of what is considered to be harmfull for us. Abductions, etc, are more a result of cloning done by humans to other humans, working with evil ET's.

I have also been told that this activity is being terminated. These negative entities are being rounded up and put where they can't cause problems. We are already free from a lot of negative influence. The system needs to change now

I would love to see the evidence for any of this. Just because the human mind can imagine things, does not make those things reality. "Abductions, etc, are more a result of cloning done by humans to other humans, working with evil ET's", again, show me one shread of proof! Better yet, don't...because I'm dying of laughter as we speak and I don't think I can take much more of this before my colon bursts from the immense pressure my diaphragm is exerting on my intestinal tract (Now there's a lovely thought )

[edit on 24-4-2007 by Jazzerman]

If you think this frustrates me, not......Glad to make your day.

9 years......sounds like the other disclosure project, I wonder if there is a connection to the foot draging.

Attitudes are changing ever so slowly. I am not sure that there is any thing people can do to change what is brainwashed into people since birth.

There is also something about the last laugh. I will hold my joy for a bit more. I could care less how people view this, as it is not my position to force any decision on people who want to remain ignorant of the truth.

I am asked to talk about what I am given to report, because there are people who will understand what I am saying. The ones that are here for a laugh can sit in their soiled diaper for a little while longer.

Wow, this Thread has so many links in it I had to actually 'organize' my favorites list and create a new folder.
But I am sure there's a missing link, the one that says Balducci no longer works for the Vatican ( as it appears to be so being he isn't on the Vatican directory), and so no longer represents the Vatican or a link that quotes the current Pope (or any previous Pope in that matter), that says Balducci does/does not represent the Vatican on statements made about ET's. Is anyone who's 'on the Vatican directory' supporting/backing up Balducci? Link Mongols, lets see some of those.

None-the-less, Balducci in my opinion does have an impressive 'resume' history but if he has 'evidence' of ET's or UFO's id sure like to see it and not have to rely on 'his word'.

Though this isn't 'breaking news' it is interesting that Balducci once again is speaking of ET's to the public through television and interviews. Why? Is he doing this because he is 10 yrs older then when he started to make such announcements and thus wants to really push getting Disclosure out and said before he's dead himself in fear the public wont be told? or is this to help promote any books he has written and bringing up this topic is for means to gain profits once again? Could be a little of both.

I find it interesting also that if the Vatican knows/believes in/has had contact or meetings with ET's then why do they say that with their telescope project with those in Arizona will hopefully "someday discover" Alien life out in the universe? Isn't their telescope project/mission goals a little contradictory to what Balducci has always said?

I saw a poster saying the current Pope was a Nazi .... any proof to that and if so was he involved with Hitler's saucer projects while a Natzi ... just wondering and throwing that out there. Sorry if that is off topic. I am not Catholic and don't know of the current Pope's background.

Your doing a good job though, Shadoww, you bring to the table some interesting points and links.

*goes back to organizing all the links gathered from this thread*

All posted here is my opinion-
Bzzz

Cheers Buzz , a productive and positive post..
Balducci has been on the Vatican directory for nearly 50 years..
My call to the Vatican proved to me that he was still resident in an official role.
He states himself on Television that he is on a Vatican commision, which one of its jobs is helping the church adapt and deal with Disclosure.
Dont forget he was also involved in the Disclosure of the Third secret of Fatima by the Vatican.
The Vatican used him for that disclosure, and are doing the same again.. Balducci is perfect for them, he can put the feelers out and leak info without the Vatican itself having to come out and make these statements, with what he and Consolmagno have done, there is all ready a foundation in place for dealing with disclosure.
Ratzinger was well documented in the press as being a Nazi in the Hitler youth during the war.
He was a guard at a prison camp.
Apparently he deserted towards the end of the war.

[edit on 24-4-2007 by Shadoww]