Vatican Official Declares Extraterrestrial Contact Is Real

Originally posted by Lost_Mind
Yes. Fr. Balducci has said these things, translated from Italian by Paolo Harris. Proven.

Yes. Fr. Balducci is a member of the Vatican church, he's on the roster. Proven.

Yes. Fr. Balducci is the real deal, genuine as air itself not a figment of anyones imagination. Proven.

Yes. He is in good standing with the Catholic Church and is embraced by the Papal family. Who wouldnt embrace such a nice guy? Proven.

Your contention is (by the thread title) is that he has specific, official Vatican backing regarding his statements re: ET and UFO's and this is not the case. You are trying to infer a truth or attach a sense of Vatican authority to his statements where there in reality is none.

erm ... sorry LostMind... do you have a brain???
Vatican Official Declares Extraterrestrial Contact is Real
Vatican official = Corrado Balducci..
sshhhh... lol

Originally posted by Shadoww

Website: www.orbsite.com...

During the course of the past year, the Vatican has maintained an
ecumenical committee to investigate the presence of extraterrestrials.

first that is not what I asked for second the link you funished gives

The page you've attempted to reach is no longer available or does not exist, or you've attempted to access a secured area (your IP address has been recorded). Please click the below link.

Using the first lines of text given in first pargraph produce nothing also nothing exists on that site.

[edit on 4/23/2007 by shots]

I'm tired of this...it's going nowhere...and it's apparent I will not be getting proof in the form of reliable sources

Orbsite- This site leads to another one that says "Is Hillary Clinton working for terrorists"...c'mon...better sources?

ACCPC- A computer distributor? What?

Shadoww...I will no longer reply to this thread because you cannot supply me with the necessary proof I request. Further, I was interested to see some good proof, because I am totally willing to believe these claims you make with the aforementioned proof. I can see though that the points I am making are going nowhere, so you can continue with your thread without my presence.

Thank you for trying, but it just wasn't what I was looking for!

What are you, 13?

Is it possible at all for you to address the substance of my post instead of your feeble attempts at belittlement? You have a innate capacity for dancing around an issue of contention.

Whats next? You going to stick out your tongue at me and start the nyah nyah dance? Grow up.

Lol if you didnt know who the Vatican official was, you are not worth discussing anything with....
You 2 are good for a giggle but not for serious debate..
Getyourselves to bed boys, so the grown ups can talk..

Thanks for the laugh though..

What are peoples thoughts on this


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American Computer Company's CEO Sponsors and Commences an Initiative to
Introduce the Beings of Light to the Vatican:

# Expanding initiative, to extend to other religions, world
governments and business organizations...


[June 8, 2006] C R A N F O R D, N. J.
For Immediate Distribution.

Website: www.orbsite.com...

During the course of the past year, the Vatican has maintained an
ecumenical committee to investigate the presence of extraterrestrials.

Recently, Monsignior Corrado Balducci announced, to the public, on
behalf
of the Vatican, and the Pope, to the clergy, public and congregations /
archdiocese, that Aliens were "real", that they were not "demons" or
"devils", and that they should be treated as, if I understand the
meaning of his message, as "God's children", just like humanity. Similar
announcements, of a more scientific orientation, had previously been
issued to the public by General Valerie Alexayev, head of the Russian
Federation Electronic Space Command.

Yesterday, on behalf of TEAM ORB, a spokesperson, Jack A. Shulman wrote
(through Dr. Richard Boylan, who had received a direct correspondence
from the Vatican and Msgr. Corrado Balducci) a bold inquiry to the
Vatican
and Monsignor Balducci; and requested that the Pope and any other
dignitaries from the Vatican be afforded an opportunity to meet with the
"Beings of Light", ambassadors from the world of the Orbs, who have, by
agreement, arranged to follow Team Orb to the Vatican or a pre-arranged
meeting location, using the Orb Portals as a conveyance from their
world.

The Orb beings's ambassadors apparently have agreed to travel with Bryan
Williams and Sandra Rehl to meet with any legitimate government or
business organization or dignitaries from any Government and/or
religion, upon request and to discuss the various aspects of a
relationship with Humanity and to submit themselves to "inspection,
examination and study" to afford Humanity an opportunity to convince
itself that they are real. The Orb "Beings of Light" have asserted to
scientists, studying the unusual phenomena, that they are from a planet
near the Orion Nebula, a distant Solar System some 36 light years
distant.

Mr. Shulman indicated that according to the study team, the "Beings of
Light", as they call themselves, are interested in humanity leaving
behind its war-like ways and begin to grow and expand its other gifts,
and efforts aimed towards the preservation of all life on Earth and the
biological stability of Earth, itself.

The offer has been likewise, as of this morning, extended to or is in
the process of being extended to a wide embrasure of other Religions,
and to the Governments, Businesses and Scientific Organizations and
Agencies of the World.

The offer includes bringing the Orbs, who have agreed to follow Team Orb
as far and as wide as may be neccessary, for study and interaction with,
to any such legitimate organization's premises. Travel Expenses for TEAM
ORB, in the case of Government or Business organizations, shall be borne
by the requesting party, a spokesperson indicated.

The company indicated that all bona fide requests to meet the Orbs will
be accepted. It was specified that the company, whose Educational Web
Publications division has recently taken up the cause of the Orb
discovery in Northern New Jersey and that of TEAM ORB, which has been
studying it for several years, that those who have met the Orb Beings
have had a much easier time, first hand, accepting their existence as
real, and coming to understand the mission of these alleged ambassadors
from a distant world.

The company requests that TEAM ORB be contacted by advice, to the
offices of TEAM ORB, in writing of any requested visit, at 6 Commerce
Drive, Suite 2000, Cranford, NJ 07016, who provides TEAM ORB with a
liaison office for said purpose. ACC's phone number is 908-272-3330. ACC
is found on the internet at www.accpc.com... .

Originally posted by Shadoww
erm ... sorry LostMind... do you have a brain???
Vatican Official Declares Extraterrestrial Contact is Real
Vatican official = Corrado Balducci..
sshhhh... lol

Whether or not Balducci is a Vatican official hardly matters, compared to whether or not Balducci had the AUTHORITY to speak FOR the Vatican.

If he is a Vatican official, but did not have the authority to speak FOR the Vatican, then he is only expressing his personal opinion.

If he was fully endorsed BY the Vatican to speak FOR the Vatican, then he would be representing the view of the Vatican.

Now, did he or did he not, have the authority to speak FOR the Vatican?

I've read through this the past week or so and one thing really sticks out to me. The Vatican is not disassociating themselves from this man. I find this fact very interesting as I always thought the church would stay as far away as possible on topics like this. Anyways carry on with your bickering guys.

Of course Balducci has the authority to speak for the Vatican, if you read through or see one of the interviews posted in the thread, he is asked specific questions asking for the Vaticans view...
Believe , the Vatican will of endorsed what he was continuously saying ( 7 tv appearances, Various interviews, UFO conventions) if they werent he would soon of been hushed up..
Old George who was the old Vatican chief astronomer..
The Pope sacked him on his public views on Evolution.
Do you think Balducci would keep such titles and positions he has at the Vatican if the Pope didnt agree what he is saying.
They are both Theologians, Im sure not only does the Vatican endorse what Balducci is doing, im sure he has full support of the Pope as well.

Originally posted by tezzajw

Now, did he or did he not, have the authority to speak FOR the Vatican?

Shadoww insists yes yet his own source that he has used a number times say no he does not speak for the Vatican

Monsignor Padre Corrado Balducci speaks for himself and his own research and not the Vatican.

Source

Yes, there is a distinct difference between Fr. Balducci expressing his personal thoughts on the matter and Fr. Balducci making a Vatican endorsed declaration on the matter.

There is no "Declaration by a Vatican Official" here.

These are the personal musings of a theologian who happens to also be a Vatican Official. There is a authoratative connection being inferred/made here where the is none.

Fr. Balduccis speculations are no more or less any grander or blander than any of rest of the planets speculations and is certainly not indicative of making ET contact anymore real or unreal than it already is.

I respect Fr. Balduccis thoughts on the matter. I do think it is interesting that the Vatican hasnt denounced or embraced his statements one way or the other. Maybe its because he wasnt speaking for them in the first place?

Originally posted by Shadoww
Im sure not only does the Vatican endorse what Balducci is doing, im sure he has full support of the Pope as well.

Being sure is one thing. Being able to prove it is another.

Other people here have asked for proof that Balducci was speaking FOR the Vatican when he made the ET/UFO claims.

Where is the proof that he was speaking FOR the Vatican when making his ET/UFO claims and not just expressing his personal opinion?

I really don't care either way, as I have a proportional amount of disdain for Cult leaders. The higher up they are, the more disdain I have for them. I don't need a Cult to declare the reality of ET/UFOs to make me believe in them.

Fair comments now people.
In my opinion when Balducci is asked a question asking for the Vaticans view, his answer as far as i am concerned must be taken as accepted Vatican thought.
He quotes Vatican religeous writing.
The commission he is on for the Vatican deals with study of Abductions, u.f.o.s and the dawning reality of Disclosure.
He admits so himself.
So if the Vatican have appointed this man to help the Catholic Church to "cope" with disclosure, this i believe is what he and others have been doing by their interviews, tv appearances and public speaking it must mean that the Vatican is not only aware of what he is doing, they have appointed him to do it.

This isnt a wild theory, it is all here in the thread.
All said in interview, on tv and to congregations by the man himself.

Originally posted by Shadoww

The commission he is on for the Vatican deals with study of Abductions, u.f.o.s and the dawning reality of Disclosure.
He admits so himself.
So if the Vatican have appointed this man to help the Catholic Church to "cope" with disclosure, this i believe is what he and others have been doing by their interviews, tv appearances and public speaking it must mean that the Vatican is not only aware of what he is doing, they have appointed him to do it.

This isnt a wild theory, it is all here in the thread.
All said in interview, on tv and to congregations by the man himself.

OH give us all a break you have yet to prove the Vatican assigned him to any special position all you did was make a very lame attempt using newsgroup info that anyone can post in two minutes.

You just admitted this was your opinion so how can you take your opinion and suddenly turn it into fact. No one is doubting he is at the Vatican what we are doubting is your contention he is speaking in an official capacity when discussing UFOs Even your own source which I have quoted several times says he is speaking for himself. Do you understand what those words mean?? Frankly I doubt it.

Originally posted by Shadoww
In my opinion when Balducci is asked a question asking for the Vaticans view, his answer as far as i am concerned must be taken as accepted Vatican thought.

That is what is called an inference -

in·fer·ence –noun
1. the act or process of inferring.
2. something that is inferred: to make rash inferences.
3. Logic.
a. the process of deriving the strict logical consequences of assumed premises.
b. the process of arriving at some conclusion that, though it is not logically derivable from the assumed premises, possesses some degree of probability relative to the premises.
c. a proposition reached by a process of inference.

Far from fact, very far. It is your opinion and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that, but it should never be passed off as fact.

He quotes Vatican religeous writing.

He does what any sensible priest being posited with such questions would do, refers to scripture and the opinions of other priests. He does not in any way say "I have been authorized by the Vatican and the Pope to make the following declaration regarding ET contact." His is just like you and me stating a personal opinion. No more or no less.

So when he is asked the Vaticans view on a subject, he is stating his own opinion is he??
So if your a politician and you are asked your partys view, you are stating your opinion are you???

Of course not... it is not my opinion.
The questions he is being asked are from The Vaticans view, you can see for yourselves by seeing the questions put to him.
Im not saying everytime he opens hi mouth he is spewing Vatican retoric.
But when he is being asked questions from the Vaticans point of view, i have to take him at face value seeing as he is a very credible man and respect that what he says must be to the best of his knowledge the Vatican thought..
Otherwise he would not be able to answer questions in this capacity..
Citing religeous writing in his evidence and stating it is a sin not to believe in other life forms and that E.T.s have souls, i must also respect his words and assume he believes what he is saying wholeheartedly..
Really guys your arguments are weak..
Theres that much evidencei could swat you like flies all day long..
This thread has not received all these flags in several days because it is weak, i have not had applause of the moderation team because my arguments are weak. Its a great thread, backed up with great evidence..

Originally posted by Shadoww


Of course not... it is not my opinion.

But But you just stated a few posts above

In my opinion when Balducci is asked a question asking for the Vaticans view, his answer as far as i am concerned must be taken as accepted Vatican thought.

Are you now saying it is not your opinion? You can not have it both ways :shk:

He quotes Vatican religeous writing.

But But again and again your own source keeps saying he is not speaking on behalf of the vatican. I will be happy to listen if you can prove when he is talking UFOs that his opinion is the very same as the Vatican's though.
You have yet to prove that as fact but we are waiting

Here I am going to slap a link on y'all.

This is from 1998. This is the otherside of the coin. This is a synopsis from a conversation Edoardo Russo of the CISU had while interviewing Fr. Balducci in 1998 due to the extravagant claims of Boylan at the time..

This story has been recirculated so much I'm truly surprised why this glass of water isnt tasting like crap.

I'm putting myself out of this thread. Nothing left to debate here IMO.

Originally posted by Lost_Mind
I'm putting myself out of this thread. Nothing left to debate here IMO.

Great link Imagine that Italian UFO experts or what ever you want to call them are even dening it.

Now in all farness for those who refuse to click on the links you need to know atleast theses portions

1) He is no Vatican theologist

Corrado Balducci explained me in detail that he is just one of
the thousands theologists in Italy (most younger Catholic priests
have got a degree in theology)
and no special one. He is not working at the Vatican and is
retired now.

Moreover, no such thing as a "Vatican theologist" does exist: the
nearest thing would be the "theologist for the Holy Father" (an
elderly archbishop theologist acting as a consultant to the
Pope).

2) He is not a member of any Vatican commission on ET contacts,
which does not exist

He laughed a lot about the notion itself of a secret Vatican
commission on ET contacts, which he told me he felt sure was
non-existent, even if he is not working at the Vatican (but he's
got many many friends an colleagues therein and he told me he
would have known).

Good work Lostmind

[edit on 4/23/2007 by shots]

Lost Mind can you read???
Ive already debunked Russo,,,
I feel sorry for you with your inadequacies..
Russo was debunked earlier in the thread.
Balducci didnt like speaking to a guy who was ignorant and that had set out to debunk him so he clammed up and didnt say nothing..
lol
learn to read
learn to think
learn to speak
another one for the iggy button, which i recommend...
Without being too rude, the guy is slow at best and not very bright..

I dont know how anyone can doubt Balducci.
I have proven his credibility at the Vatican
I have Proven he has said what he has said from a Vatican point of view.
His clips on tv from Youtube are there for everyone to see.
We know these are real because we have seen them.
We must take his words very seriously.
Sinc we have proven him to be no ordinary Padre, the guy is a high Vatican figure.
The reason why this thread has received flags is not because its weak, nor because it relys on one bit of informaion.
Balducci has been confirmed more than enough as a good source.
I am moving back to Consolmagno for a bit now..


[edit on 24-4-2007 by Shadoww]

Ok, why is everyone on here fighting over if the Vatican has declared its beliefes in alians or not? It would be pretty good to hear that they have said that, but there must be some video or audio of them makeing that statement somewhere on the net.
If the Vatican has said something like that then they probibly will say what they said if asked. I know its not that easy to contact any one important but maby someone who is posting here should go and try.

-fm