Vatican Official Declares Extraterrestrial Contact Is Real

I found this serious genuine paper whilst researching..
It cements the credentials of Balducci.

Catholic Opinion on Aliens
In a recent issue of The Times, it is reported that, “…a Vatican theologian
close to the Pope…”, Father Corrado Balducci of the Congregation for the
Evangelisation of Peoples, maintains that the discovery of extra-terrestrial
creatures, superior to human beings, would not pose a problem for, or in any
way invalidate, the teachings of Christianity.
2
A spokesman for the Catholic
Media Office in London is quoted in the article in The Times as being broadly
in agreement with Father Balducci. “The fundamental creation message
relates to humans here on earth. If aliens were shown to exist, this would not
cast doubt on the veracity of the Gospel.”
3
While broadly in agreement with
Father Balducci on this point, the spokesman for the Catholic Media Office is
quoted as indicating some uncertainty for Church policy in the event of aliens
being shown to exist. “…we would have to ask whether the Christian
atonement was applicable to them.”
4
Father Balducci is not reported as having a view on the issue of atonement,
but he is reported as having no doubts about the existence of aliens. This is
in some contrast with the Catholic Media spokesman who appears to be
uncertain as to whether aliens exist. Father Balducci is quoted as saying, “It
is reasonable to believe and affirm that extra-terrestrials exist. Their
existence can no longer be denied, for there is too much evidence for the
existence of extra-terrestrials and flying saucers.”
5
Not everyone who claims
to be a priest, or indeed is a priest, can speak for the Catholic Church with
authority. However, not only is Father Balducci “close to the Pope”, he is
what is known as a “priest of honour”, and has been so listed in the Vatican
Directory since 1964. He is currently a member of the papal household.
6
As
such his views may be taken seriously, and not dismissed as the opinions of a
crank.

Here is link, recommended reading!!.
66.102.9.104...:NPuuG8C297sJ:www.lse.ac.uk/collections/CPNSS/pdf/DP_withCoverPages/DP38/DP38F-98-C.pdf+corrado+balducci+contact+det ails&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=89&gl=uk&client=firefox-a

How about this for a title of an article on a Catholic website by Consolmagno !!

Humans Are Not God's Only Intelligent Works


There's that odd and mysterious passage at the beginning of Genesis describing the sons of God taking human wives and a passing reference to "The Nephilim ... the heroes that were of old, warriors of renown." Likewise, God asks Job if any human can claim to have been around at the creation, "when the morning stars sang together and all the heavenly beings shouted for joy." These heavenly beings come up several times in the Psalms, including a beautiful passage in Psalm 85 that calls for praise of the Lord from the heavens, the holy ones, the hosts: for "the heavens are Yours, the earth also is Yours; the universe and all that is in it - You have founded them."

Did not expect to find this on a religous site...
Incredible.
here is link
www.beliefnet.com...

By the way doubters, anyone who is still questioning Balduccis credentials are in for a shock..
His positions at the Vatican as described in Wikepedia are totally accurate..
I have been on the phone again to a Catholic Spokesperson and he has agreed to send me an E-Mail proving Balduccis credentials in an official statement.
This will be posted in this thread as soon as it is received.
Anyone who thinks this also is fraudulent can call the spokesperson themselves..
He was only to happy to comment on Balducci and his authenticity.
Here is the number in London.
02076308220

You have Balducci's phone number, so call him. He should speak english. What are the chances of the Roman Cathic Church sending someone to D.C. who doesn't speak english? Call the man, tape the conversation and post a link to the actual conversation.

Centre for Philosophy of Natural and Social Science

This is the headline from the link in Four post upwards - the last link.

Check out those words

A Center - Like a daycare center for your children, but this is a center for Philosophy.
And that center of Philosophy - The word Philosophy is kinda linked to the word Natural.
And it ends up in Social. And final word is Science.

So we have five words.

Center - Philosophy - Natural - Social - Science

The two words at the ends of these five words - Center & Science -

Center & Science

Is un-important basically. Because those two words describe Nothing but the location a of the matter of subject - the matter of subject That is the last three words.

- Philosophy - Natural - Social -

What do these three words describe?
The human world - Must be Philosophy - It is a close parent to poetry.

Philosophy - Is the a result of an conclusion.
When matter of subjects become a Philosophy - It is somthing people takes to their heart - and out comes poetry.
Which describe our heart - our inner reaction to this world and the WHOLE picture - The rose the water the beauty of the birds flapping about the sky - ect. It's when things start to get a little to much and complicated-big for our human mind to describe - it becomes poetry.

Perhaps love is like a resting place, a shelter from the storm

And that is Philosophy. because Philosophy Is the a result of an conclusion. And most people have a Conclusion and a philosophy to live by

But

During the procces of poetry and Philosophy - Some people faint, or loose their minds for a while - Maybe in a time period of one minute day month or years.
And in some strange way - They end up becomming Natural - Which leads to becomming Social.
And in some cases they have children because of that. Whut?!

That is proberly an pretty good indication what Centre for Philosophy of Natural and Social Science really means.

Now - These centers of education and learning - often come out with papers describing what it's about.
Papers that people can read - shake their heads - and disagree. Depending upon which source the paper comes from. If you get a letter from the president of your country - or some leader in charge of somthing. And in those papers - it says UFO's are real - and basically the Earth is not the only place - And they have allready visited us - and all kinds of BS.
Wouldn't you like to know if it was really real?
IS the President a relyable source of information?

So basically - People tend to look at the source of the news they receive and point to some kinda fact that this is comming from a un relyable source - Or the other way around - It could come from one of those sources that is avaiable to everybody - and is being used by everybody with - TV Radio and newspaper acces - from the relyable sources of information - well accepted relyable sources of information - The established centers of Information - On this planet.

What is relyable information?
Is photos relyable anymore? no
Is eyewittnesses relyable? Can we count on Eyewittnesses?

I SAW A BLOODY UFO - I never believed in that crap - x-files - but there it was - Hovering right above my freind and me.

Is CNN a relyable source of information?
Is ABC, BBC a relyable source of information?
And so on so forth.

Can we count on that information? There is somthing so strange about the humans - They don't trust each other - it's really strange.

What I am trying to say is this.

Money. Power and greed -
I know somone earlier in this thread asked the question similar to this.

Do you really think people in charge do it for greed money and power? - then your a dumb idiot or somthing

It's a really good and annoying question. I really hate that question - but it's a good question.
Would they keep stuff secret - because of greed money and power?

I think they do it because of FEAR.
greed money and power = Fear.

Wouldn't you be afraid of loosing everything you trust - Money?
If you where on top of this system - You would realize that money is nothing but paper. And you would need people around you to protect you from - people who know money isn't everything that matters - and we should in fact not trust money at all.

Money is BS.

And then We get back to DR. Wolf who claims to both have meet these people from outside - The Kings of Universe -

And these kings are not like our kings/leaders/presidents - AT ALL -

Like Dr.Wolf decribes the Extraterestrial concern (extraterestrials are not comfortable with the world money and power brokers' need for continuing world industrialization)

That will eventually destroy the planet - kill it.

So the question about Money. Power and greed leads to the awnser.

FEAR. They are afraid. Scared - And they are doing it, in their pants.

And here we are - paying the price - because Leaders of this world are scared small ignorant childish morons - So absolutly naive they think they can make weapons of mass destruction - Start wars - and murder other countries to make them feel safe and get rid of that basic fear of a natural global intelligence - that we as normal civilians allready have in our molekylar structure. The human body - knows IT all - And we don't need to live like we do.

They censur the news because of fear - at the top of the pyramid.

Back to the bees - Natural Disclosure - means Natural - like the bees and the flowers.

So basically - The reason we cannot find the awnser is because those scared pitty leaders or What they are - Are leading us - And most people have no clue that there is such a system - Such a stupid idea and philosophy as fear driving this system.

Have you ever seen a scared cat?

They are projecting their fear upon us. - It goes through the entire human civilization like an Lightning Bolt. Through our TV - MEDIA in general - Which goes into our minds - and the fear-games they play on us.

And what the Vatican originally did - was to shield us from the truth - Our supernatural intelligence - which is just you & me - because - we are human - We can think for our self - We can evolve our minds and do poetry. And go fishing.
We cannot be controlled. Because neither can nature - And the ultimate power behind it - because - we are nature. Would you disagree?

To shield us from the truth - How the hell do or did they manage to do that? It's not possible.

You ever dated somone - and when trying to learn and know that person - you find out there is a secret. It's fear of loosing somthing valuable for that person you love.
And you either go nuts or accept it. The reason you would go nuts - is because your also afraid of loosing somthing valuable - because of what the secret does to you. There comes the lie. hello lie - how are you doing?

The choice is either to go nuts or accept - Act or be passive.
But the truth shall set you free.

And for all you people who think people who believe in somthing as crazy as this - is stupid - Should know it's just like that. That is why we are both stupid and crazy.

Because we are afraid of loosing this planet.
We are fearfull entities we could say.
We love this planet so much.

And they create terror, and they create lies - And they jugde you.
They divide America - They Divide the world - And they jugde you.
And some of you - Don't see it. Because you trust not in eyewittnesses accounts - in all areas of life - even though they spit their heart out on the sidewalk for you.

They be jugded as criminals. On TV.
And so you jugde them - Your own family.

That is Control.

This is the Philosophy Of Disclosure.

[edit on 23-4-2007 by Ram]

[edit on 23-4-2007 by Ram]

I am in the process of finding more information via several routes,
the argument presented in this thread does not rely solely on one sourse..
There are links to Balduccis appearances on television, so i dont see how a taped conversation would add more credibility to the thread..
I suppose the end goal would be a statement off the Vatican either confirming what Balducci has said, or a statement saying Balducci speaks for the Vatican..
With many sites on the internet claiming to have debunked Balducci i was concerned about his evidence.
But after research on the Vaticans own site and from calling them and other spokespersons from the Catholic church.
It is undeniable that Monsigneur Corrado Balducci is a leading Vatican figure and has been on the Vatican Directory since 1964, and is what they call a Priest of honour.
Very easy for people to research.

Originally posted by Shadoww

I suppose the end goal would be a statement off the Vatican either confirming what Balducci has said, or a statement saying Balducci speaks for the Vatican..

Your own source article that uses the same authors of the original story back in 1998 clearly states he does not speak for the vatican. Now I am assuming when they say that they are talking only when it comes to UFOs.

Monsignor Padre Corrado Balducci speaks for himself and his own research and not the Vatican.

Source

[edit on 4/23/2007 by shots]

Shots, your on iggy so i dont know why you bother..
You dont exist on this site for me.

I see what u quoted when i logged out.
What about all the other BS that says Balducci is a hoax lol and nothing to do with Vatican.
On the tv interview, he was asked what is the Vaticans position.
That is when he said ETs have souls and are not Demons..

a few points we may like to think about when we talk about Balducci.

1. His Wikepedia "titles" of Office are totally accurate, anyone can find this out. I have and i have proved it in this thread.

2. The Guy is not just a simple Padre , on the contary, he is a Priest of Honour, A top Theologian, and a member of the Vaticans inner circle. He has been on the Vatican Directory since 1964.

3. If the Vatican were not happy with what such a senior Vatican official was saying, they would of shushed him up years ago.

Isnt it a fact the Vatican is ruled by Theologians.
John Paul the second was, so is Ratzinger.
I would wager Balducci knows both Popes extremely well and has said as much in a Times article and on Italian Television.

I think what we are seeing, is that the Vatican hold a great position on this.
With what Balducci has done, he has put the feelers out for public opinion.
Things like our discussions about this on the fringes of society can be discussed and analysed without the Vatican having to own up either way.
The question is are they just hedging their bets?
Or do they already know disclosure will happen, and are just " coping" as best they can?

Originally posted by Shadoww

2. The Guy is not just a simple Padre , on the contary, he is a Priest of Honour, A top Theologian, and a member of the Vaticans inner circle. He has been on the Vatican Directory since 1964.

I have never contended otherwise, others may have but for the most part I believe he is a member of the Vatican who is in good standing. All I was answering was when you said call the Vatican to see if he speaks for them. I then used your own source to show you he does not speak for the Vatican when it comes to UFOs,, Now if you have a problem with what your own sources stated you mind take it up with them and not me.

Oh and contrary to your line of thinking I am not out to get you but it sure seems you think that is the case. Had you been on ATS for years you would know members leave no stone unturned which is just what I am doing turning the stones. I have not atta cked you have I? If you claim I have kindly show me where or stop being parnoid.



[edit on 4/23/2007 by shots]

Of course it has been stated that it is his own view on several occasions.
Maybe it was cutting it a little bit to close to the grain for the Vaticans liking.
Maybe he didnt like the interviewer.
I have studied and found out that the sites or articles " debunking" Balducci on the net, stem from a certain reporter he didnt like, so he just clammed up and denied everything.
Russo thought he had a coup and couldnt wait to publish his findings.
But the Monsigneur had the last laugh.
Russo is a laughing stock now.
And his "debunking" article has been debunked by me in this thread.
Damn even Shots agrees about that.

But Shots, you are wrong about him just speaking for himself..
Sure, maybe he has insinuated that more than once..
But think about it.
The Vatican would shush up a loose cannon like that if they didnt go along with it.
Plus he has been asked in his interviews. " what is the vaticans position " ..etc

anyway here is a link
www.greatdreams.com...
Monsignor Balducci declared on Italian television that the Church's teaching is that extraterrestrials are certain, have souls, are not demons, and are likely to be more advanced spiritually. In so proclaiming, Monsignor Balducci quoted the core theologian authority of the Church, Saint Thomas Acquinas.

Anyone who studies Vatican behavior knows that if Monsignor Balducci was speaking against what the Church wants its followers to believe, he would have been silenced faster than you can say Hans Kung. Debunker Russo misses the point of the trial balloon the Church is sending up by allowing Monsignor Balducci to make benign declarations and affirmations about extraterrestrials and extraterrestrial contact as teachings of the Church. Given the powerful, internationally-driven UFO Cover-Up, the Vatican is neither able nor willing to take an international stance about its activity vis-a-vis extraterrestrial research at this early juncture in the process of world powers gradually conditioning their populations to the fact of extraterrestrial contact.

Oh and by the way, if anyone wants to automatically discredit the link because its Boylan, i wouldnt bother.
No matter what peoples personal thoughts are on him, he is telling the truth here in Quoting Balducci.
You can find the same comments all over the internet and are also the same questions asked on the Youtube interview with Balducci.
He is quite clearly asked " What is the Vatican/Catholic view"
And he takes his time in answering.
It is the same interview he states it to be a sin not to believe in other life.
He puts that down to the fact that other worldly life is already told in scripture and other Vatican religeous writing..
In the same interview he says that E.T.s are a certainty.
Incredible statements for somebody we have proven to be at the centre of the Vatican think tank.

Originally posted by Shadoww

But Shots, you are wrong about him just speaking for himself..

Sorry that is just your humble opinion. On the Other hand interviewers say he does not speak for the Vatican.(see my link above by the two authors who originated the original story)

You are just guessing when you assume he does when it comes to UFOs. Has the Pope ever issued a

OFFCIAL statement

on UFOs? I do not think so and that is my point yes you have tons of speculators claiming the Vatican believes in UFOs that is all you have pure speculation.

Originally posted by Shadoww
Oh and by the way, if anyone wants to automatically discredit the link because its Boylan, i wouldnt bother.

Interesting that you would use Richard Boylan, Ph.D. as a source. Hardly what I would call creatable.

hell he is not even mentioned on wiki that alone is all one needs to raise eyebrows.

A lot more than speculation, although i am glad you point out the volume of evidence.
Reasons why it is more than speculation.

1. Consolmagno accurately states that Catholic Theologians have thought about life from other worlds for a long time, much longer than scifi writers.

2. Life from other worlds is mentioned in the Bible as well as other Vatican religeous writings. That much is it certain, Balducci himself states extraterrestrials are a certainty, it is a sin not to believe in other lifeforms, as we have been told in religeous writings.

3. On the Youtube video the questions Balducci is being asked start with " what is the Vaticans view "etc...
Balducci answers strongly and at no time does he say it is his own beliefs.
On the contary, the fact he declares it as a sin implies it is not his opinion, it implies he is speaking of the church.

4. There are numerous other references that suggest it is like a Vatican group feeling the way.
Balducci himself admits live on tv that he is part of a Vatican group that are enabling the Church to " Cope" with disclosure.

More than enough evidence Shots.
Seeing as we have accepted the credibility of the man.
It is time to accept what he says as credible too.

Any doubters still lol, i refer back to the Published paper at the top of this page.

Not everyone who claims
to be a priest, or indeed is a priest, can speak for the Catholic Church with
authority. However, not only is Father Balducci “close to the Pope”, he is
what is known as a “priest of honour”, and has been so listed in the Vatican
Directory since 1964. He is currently a member of the papal household.

[edit on 23-4-2007 by Shadoww]

Originally posted by Shadoww
Not everyone who claims
to be a priest, or indeed is a priest, can speak for the Catholic Church with
authority. However, not only is Father Balducci “close to the Pope”, he is
what is known as a “priest of honour”, and has been so listed in the Vatican
Directory since 1964. He is currently a member of the papal household.

Being a member of the papal household does not mean anything, that is like saying any member of the White House Staff speaks for the US when they open their mouth and it does not work that way.

I understand you believe the man and what he says that is fine but there is no way in hell you are going to convince the whole world he alone is speaking for the Vatican.

If the Vatican has an official stance on an issue they issue a statement to the press and I have not seen any and I doubt you have, did you?

As for your mention that the Vatican believes in beings in the heavens of course they would they are members of the church and teach all about angels and heaven because it is their belief they are up there, but that does not, nor will not make them aliens.

Good work Shadoww it's very obvious that Balducci is exactly who you say he is. There is much to be considered but in my opinion strange things are afoot. In particular the two recent events involving Nasa have peaked my interest highly.

There are many different angles that must be explored concerning the Balducci/Vatican scenarios. The most probable explanation is that this is more covering the bases then it is preparing the masses for full Alien Disclosure.

Think about this. Any person who believes in almost any religion believes things that they for the most part will never see, hear or interact with personally during the course of their life. Simply put they believe blindly without solid evidence.

Now consider for a moment the parallels between extraterrestrial believers and those who subscribe to most forms of human religion. It becomes fairly obvious that there is a striking similarity between the two.

We have no solid evidence of an alien presence. Nothing has ever been publicly disclosed that once and for all proves their existence.

We have had many, many ufo sightings throughout the history of mankind.

Human knowledge and technology is advancing at an unprecedented rate.

----------------------------
This is where I theorize:

It is just as likely that we are being visited by future humans then it is we are being visited by extraterrestrial beings. There is no evidence I can put forward for this but to me it is quite logical.

The reasoning for these visits could vary exponentially but suffice to say it would all boil down to control. A very very human thing to do. If one was looking to control the masses the Vatican seems like the most obvious place to start.
----------------------------

Now my future human theory aside the issue of control is still paramount. Whatever is going on you can rest assured that somewhere people are trying to control the show. If it becomes possible to "fake" an alien presence then you can bet your butts it's gonna happen. This opens the door to Global domination by means of fear. A tactic very familiar to the likes of Kissinger and company.

Balducci is a pawn in a very big game of chess. What's important to note is not that he believes in Alien life but that the Vatican lets him speak openly about his beliefs. In all honesty I doubt he knows more then anyone here about the game he is a part of.

The end game is control no matter what.

Again, good work Shadoww.

I'm joining the conversation a little late, and read through most every post. On the Vatican website it does have some articles matching the terms "Corrado" and "Balducci", but only when you look them up under the Italian language option. Here are the results:

Vatican "Balducci" seach in Italian

Does anyone read Italian? The bottom article lists "Nunzio Apostolico Balducci Corrado". I haven't the faintest clue what the article says because it is in Italian, but it says "Ex-alunni 1950-1999" which I would guess translates to Ex-alumni, meaning that if this Balducci character is real maybe he has retired or no longer works for the vatican, but at one time did.

Open the file and croll down to 1954, no. 294. It lists "Balducci Corrado, Sarsina (Italia)".

Link

Any ideas?


[edit on 23-4-2007 by Jazzerman]

Yawn...
It has already been discussed..
Balducci was in the Vaticans academy at this time.

Balduccis credentials are no longer being disputed.
Maybe you should read a bit more carefully.

Balducci is most definitely a current insider at the Vatican.
The positions credited to him are on Wikepedia, the evidence is in the thread.
If that still isnt enough, the telephone numbers are there also.
The spokespeople are very helpful, and will be able to tell you instantly that he is still there.
If anyone else is going to post questioning Balduccis credentials, please read the thread first.
The discussion has moved on from there, even the hardened skeptics accept the Monsigneur is very genuine.

[edit on 23-4-2007 by Shadoww]

Originally posted by Shadoww
I have been on the phone again to a Catholic Spokesperson and he has agreed to send me an E-Mail proving Balduccis credentials in an official statement.
This will be posted in this thread as soon as it is received.
02076308220

I can't wait to see that.

Im afraid this is the response i got from the Catholic spokesperson James Abbott..
Although not fantastically helpful, it does without doubt imply Balduccis continued presence at the Vatican.
He did say he would post me his positions, maybe he wasnt allowed to???
Nevertheless i think it just adds to the massive amount of evidence that he is no doubt part of the Vatican.

Subject : Mgr Balducci


Go to previous message | Go to next message | Delete | Inbox
Attachment : image002.jpg (< 0.01 MB), image001.gif (< 0.01 MB)

Dear Mark,

It’s proving difficult to track down an official title for Mgr Balducci in Rome – hence it’s not something we can easily confirm here in the UK. I would recommend calling the Vatican Observatory – or, later in the day, the research group at Arizona University. This may give you the current thinking on the possibility of extra-terrestrial life and further info on Mgr Balducci:

Specola Vaticana
V-00120 Città del Vaticano
ITALY

: 0039 (06) 69 88 5266

Vatican Observatory
Research Group
University of Arizona
Tucson, AZ 85721,
USA
: 001 (520) 621 3225
Fax : 001 (520) 621 1532

Otherwise, the only other option is to call the Vatican Press Office on: 0039 06 698921



Best,

James





James Abbott

Media Coordinator

CCN

tel: 020 7901 4804

e-mail: [email protected]

web: www.catholicchurch.org.uk



39 Eccleston Square

London SW1V 1BX



***IMPORTANT*** The information contained in this email message and any attachments
is intended only for the named person, firm or company to whom it is addressed.
Such information may be confidential and privileged and no mistake in transmission
is intended to waive or compromise such privilege.
If you have received this transmission in error please accept my apologies,
notify me immediately by telephone or by email, delete the message and any attachments
from your system and do not copy or disclose the contents to any other party.
Your co-operation is appreciated