Vatican Official Declares Extraterrestrial Contact Is Real

Shadoww...no offense, but no one, including you, have yet to supply any proof from reliable sources that links this Balducci guy to the Vatican. The only links I see on this thread are from UFO websites and the like, which are not usually trustworthy sources. So, I do question whether Balducci was ever at the Vatican, because if he was anyone important he would be mentioned much more extensively on reliable sources.

When I can only find one little blurb about the name Balducci on the Vatican's own website it raises a lot of questions. After reading through all the posts and site links I'm not all the convinced that this isn't anything more than a hoax.

lol you are funny.
Do you think i care about your opinion, check my last post.
A hoax..??
yeah alright pal..
lol

Hardly any of my sources are from UFO sites..
I state again ..
Read the thread!!!
or buzz off.

[edit on 23-4-2007 by Shadoww]

So Shadoww...

Post 1 link, just 1 link, to a credible website that lists Balducci as having anything to do with the Vatican other than the link that I have supplied. All I have seen is links to non-reliable sources, and your own "supposed" phone calls to the Vatican. Looking back through all of your posts I see no reliable sources.

Again, statements like yours require immense proof. If the proof is not there, then you and everyone else should accept that there is nothing to the claim. In addition, what exactly is your last post supposed to prove? What am I missing here?

Look, I believe in the existance of Aliens and UFO's just as much as anyone else. However, for me or anyone else to believe a claim like yours requires at least a few credible sources of where you are getting this information and whether or not it is real. This is not a personal attack on you or anyone else...all I am asking for is proof of your claims from RELIABLE and CREDIBLE Sources.

Chill out Shadoww...is this how you have conversations with people? Did you wake up on the wrong side of the bed or just forget to eat your morning Wheaties?

Or, perhaps the word "proof" just doesn't mean the much to you.

[edit on 23-4-2007 by Jazzerman]

Originally posted by Shadoww
lol you are funny.
Do you think i care about your opinion, check my last post.
A hoax..??
yeah alright pal..
lol

Hardly any of my sources are from UFO sites..
I state again ..
Read the thread!!!
or buzz off.

[edit on 23-4-2007 by Shadoww]

You're a nasty lil sucker, aren't you. Yawn...

Annoying. Mods should come in here and straighten out your tone with others.

Within ATS, there are plenty of people who say they have experienced time travel or have seen time travellers.

Can they all be hoaxes, or is there a probability that atleast a percentage of these stories are true?

I say they are not all hoaxes. Therefor, we are being visited by people from the future.

This was what we have seen in the form of time travellers from our future, trying to bend events to suit their agenda. We are now at a time, where a morritorium has been put on any attempt to alter the future using this technology from the future.

Things are in a mess, because of altered time lines. People need to get things right the first time, by properly assessing situations and doing the right thing first, not as a cover up to a mistake (Measure twice, cut once!).

Full ET disclosure is eminent, and will be brought about by ET's themselves if the people in charge of things chose not to disclose ET presence. Furthermore, ET disclosure is part of a rescue mission that will protect us from extinction. They will simply not let us exterminate ourselves.

I understand that World Governments have entered into an agreement with ET, regarding disclosure. The time for World Leaders to bring about disclosure is about to expire. At that point ET will bring out their own disclosure, for all the people on Earth to see.

I have seen our future, where this disclosure is taking place and people are not happy because of the delays by world leaders. This is in part due to control of economies and market performance, driven by proffits. The entire system is set up for some people to gain wealth at others expenses.

World leaders, markets and big corporations do not want things to change. They are happy with things the way they are. If a change is going to take place, they want to be in control. If the change is for them to lose control, they will balk at any hint of change.

The delay is in part due to the bull headed attitude taken against any form of life, other than what is here on earth (humans), as being more advanced. ET knows they will need to bring this about on their own. We are just too mired in argument. Time has run out for us to change on our own.

The disclosure agreement between ET and Earth is about to expire.

ET will bring about disclosure in a manner that there will be no doubt as to their intent, and what will be in store for us as far as changes to our way of living here on Earth.

Some of the UFO's seen today are built by Earth people, from technology given to us by ET as a peace offering. We tried to take their technology and use it against them.....we are so stupid. Whatever it takes to keep those proffits flowing in.

We are supposed to have free energy in use right now. Global warming is another result of our reluctance to put this technology into place. World leaders, who respond to big $$$, bribes, payola, or whatever else you want to use, have not acted in favour of ET disclosure, at the direction of corporations, money and proffits.

You can believe there are no other life forms like us in the Universe if you want. That is probably true to some extent.

You can also say we are so skeptical about anything we can't see, because we have lied and cheated ourselves so much from birth, it is just a natural reaction.

I don't know if people could exist without lying, cheating, stealing, money and murder.

Nothing wrong with my tone..
If people dont read the thread it is not my problem.
I have had applause of a Mod for this thread.
The reason i yawn is because Balducci's credibility has been proven as far as im concerned.
Even the hardest critics have agreed with me.
Im not going to start re-posting stuff that i have already posted.
I am confident that his credibility stands up.
If peeps still dont believe,
It is not my job to convince you.
All the data is already there.

Originally posted by Jazzerman
So Shadoww...

Post 1 link, just 1 link, to a credible website that lists Balducci as having anything to do with the Vatican other than the link that I have supplied. All I have seen is links to non-reliable sources, and your own "supposed" phone calls to the Vatican. Looking back through all of your posts I see no reliable sources.

Again, statements like yours require immense proof. If the proof is not there, then you and everyone else should accept that there is nothing to the claim. In addition, what exactly is your last post supposed to prove? What am I missing here?

Look, I believe in the existance of Aliens and UFO's just as much as anyone else. However, for me or anyone else to believe a claim like yours requires at least a few credible sources of where you are getting this information and whether or not it is real. This is not a personal attack on you or anyone else...all I am asking for is proof of your claims from RELIABLE and CREDIBLE Sources.

Chill out Shadoww...is this how you have conversations with people? Did you wake up on the wrong side of the bed or just forget to eat your morning Wheaties?

Or, perhaps the word "proof" just doesn't mean the much to you.

[edit on 23-4-2007 by Jazzerman]

This is my last post regarding you.
I have put a lot of time and effort in to this thread.
If you dont see any credible sources, you are a fool.
Simple as that.

Proving Fr. Balducci as credible is not the same as proving that this was an official statement on behalf of the Vatican. Saying that a "Vatican Official Declares ET Contact is real" is misleading. You are implying that the good Fr. Balducci (proven Vatican Official) is declaring this from his official position (which he is not) at the Vatican, hence with Vatican backing of his statements, that ET contact is real.

From everything I have read on this thread and on the net, weird site or not, this is not the case.

Commence flaming...



[edit on 23-4-2007 by Lost_Mind]

This is almost getting funny. You attack me and tell me to "buzz off" for questioning your sources...LOL!

I, like you, could care less what you think, but I am still questioning your sources. So again, lets get back to the topic...

Show me some reliable sources. That is all I am asking, just one link? Or, tell me which one of your messages you posted contain a credible source? I am not trying to destroy your thread...I am merely trying to get some information from you about the legitimacy of your sources. I have already stated that I cannot find any of your postings with good information, and you have yet to show me any. What am I left to believe?

Maybe I am missing something after reading through all the posts on this thread, and I would be willing to admit it if you just show me the proof. All I want to know is if Balducci was in fact in a position of authority at the Vatican with the PROOF to back it up. Thats all; don't make a bigger deal of this than what it is.

Also, there is no need to get nasty with me when all I originally asked for was some documentation. Surely this is not too much to ask?

[edit on 23-4-2007 by Jazzerman]

For the last time...
This is undeniable proof Balducci is not only with the Vatican, but is Chief demonologist at the Vatican, and Is totally credible.

This makes his statements even more remarkable.

1. Wikepedia

Monsignor Corrado Balducci, (born May 11, 1923 in Italy[1]), is a Roman Catholic theologian of the Vatican Curia [2], a close friend of the pope[3], long time exorcist for the Archdiocese of Rome[2], and he is a Prelate of the Congregation for the Evangelization of Peoples and the Society for the Propagation of the Faith[2]. He has written several books about the subliminal messages in rock and metal music, diabolic possessions, and extraterrestrials[2]. Monsignor Balducci often appears on Italian TV to talk about satanism, religion, and extraterres

the reason he is on the Vatican site is because he grauated in 1954 at the Vatican school that grooms future popes and the like
Wikepedia - He graduated in 1954 from Pontificia Accademia Ecclesiastica, the Vatican training institute for priests who will be future papal ambassadors, or nuncios.

For many with the Official Vatican site already stating this , this would be enough evidence, but we will carry on.

2. GSR Report on the topic of Demonology, one of Balducci's specialities
But now, according to a recent story in the London Times, the Vatican thinks it's time for a change. In keeping with modern views of human psychology, the idea of a demonic force external to the psyche is seen as outmoded and quaint. Monsignor Corrado Balducci, the Vatican's chief exorcist, says the Church now must "be more careful in distinguishing between possession by evil spirits and what are more commonly called psychiatric disturbances."

note , nothing to do with ufos
link
www.gsreport.com...

on we go
3. A report about an article in the official Vatican newspaper, featurin??? you guessed it .... Balducci
On October 15, 1978, L'Osservatore della Domenica, the Sunday supplement to the
L'Osservatore Romano, the official Vatican Newspaper, contained an article signed by a
Vatican prelate, Msgr. Corrado Balducci, a member of the Congregation for the
Evangelization of Peoples. Coming from a member of the Curia, and published in an
official Vatican journal, this article gave considerable credence to the fact of an
Apocalyptic Third Secret. Following are excerpts from it, quoted by Documentation
Catholique of January 7, 1979.
We do not want to get lost in the many texts and so-called prophetic messages, due
often to sick people, who more easily find an echo in times of discouragement and
skepticism. There is, however, a text which causes us to reflect and whose authenticity
seems acceptable: it is the one called "the third Secret of Fatima" (1917). The rumors
had been that it would be made public in 1960; then it was thought it would be for the
Holy Year of 1975. If it had been a question of good news, consoling things, there
would have been no reason not to divulge it. Unfortunately, it seems to contain painful
and very tragic predictions. Some indiscretions on this subject appeared in the press
about 1963, at a moment when, it was said, this text had been brought to the
knowledge of the President of the United States and the leader of the Soviet Union. It
is also found in Renzo Basehera's book Le Profezie, from which it was reprinted by
Neues Europa at Stuttgart on October 15, 1963
link
66.102.9.104...:x9XUChvbMqcJ:www.world-destiny.org/marian/fatcurious.pdf+balducci+vatican&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=45&gl=uk&client=firefox- a

ok ... still not sure..??

4. An Exorcism article featuring the Vaticans Chief Demonologist.... Balducci
According to the TIMES, Msgr. Corrado Balducci, the Vatican's chief exorcist, says every diocese is supposed to have at least one priest qualified in exorcism. Under the old rituals the priest lays his hands on the head of the possessed person while recitiing the words "Exorcitio te" ("I exorcise you"). He then calls out "ex cruciem Domini" ("through the cross of Christ") while wrapping the hem of his stole around the neck of the possessed person and keeping his right hand on the person's head.
link
www.bringyou.to...

5. Catholic site - Religious Tolerance...- any good???
The Vatican guidelines stress that most behaviors that appear to be caused by demonic possession are actually triggered by psychiatric illness. 5 Monsignor Corrado Balducci, the Vatican's chief exorcist, estimated that only five or six out of every thousand people who seek help from an exorcist are really possessed by evil spirits. The remainder are "in need of psychiatric help." 5 "...priests conducting exorcisms should deal with evil as a force 'lurking within all individuals' rather than as a force, traditionally embodied as Satan, threatening human beings from without...Vatican officials say that under the new rituals priests will be encouraged not to refer any longer to the Prince of Darkness, the Accursed Dragon, the Foul Spirit, the Satanic Power or the Master of Deceit. Instead, the formulas refer more vaguely to 'the cause of evil.' They also introduce for the first time an appeal to the Virgin Mary to help combat evil in an 'afflicted individual', a reflection of Pope John Paul II's personal commitment to" the Virgin Mary. 5

However the church is not going soft on belief in Satan and his demons.
link
www.religioustolerance.org...

understand why i yawn???
His credibility is total, easy to research... and 100% definite!!!

[edit on 23-4-2007 by Shadoww]

Not only was he at the Vatican, he still is..
And is close with present and last Pope and is an influential, integral and highly important Vatican Padre.
Forgive my impatience, but it is undeniable.

Originally posted by Lost_Mind
Proving Fr. Balducci as credible is not the same as proving that this was an official statement on behalf of the Vatican. Saying that a "Vatican Official Declares ET Contact is real" is misleading. You are implying that the good Fr. Balducci (proven Vatican Official) is declaring from his official position (which he is not) at the Vatican, hence with Vatican backing of his statements, that ET contact is real.

From everything I have read on this thread and on the net, weird site or not, this is not the case.

Yes, this is what I was getting at. The fact that Balducci exists or not is mute because I know he is a real person, but as Lost Mind points out, I question the credibility of this man speaking for the Vatican and the rest of Catholics at that. It seems to me that Balducci is a theologist which to be honest every priest is, and not much more. I find one tiny mention of him on the entire Vatican website itself, and that's not even much information other than . How am I supposed to believe that this man was ever in direct contact with the Pope, and speaking for/with him about this subject.

So, is Balducci really anything more than a minor priest that specializes in Demonology? Because I still see no proof of his ties to the Vatican or for that Matter as the Thread title suggests that a "Vatican Official Declares Extraterresial Contact is Real".

If no one can show me credible proof from legitimate sources about this then I think I have made my point.

Not everyone who claims
to be a priest, or indeed is a priest, can speak for the Catholic Church with
authority. However, not only is Father Balducci “close to the Pope”, he is
what is known as a “priest of honour”, and has been so listed in the Vatican
Directory since 1964. He is currently a member of the papal household.
link
66.102.9.104...:NPuuG8C297sJ:www.lse.ac.uk/collections/CPNSS/pdf/DP_withCoverPages/DP38/DP38F-98-C.pdf+corrado+balducci+contact+det

You have made no point, there is no doubt he is 100 genuine.
There is no doubt he has said what he has said,
Same with Consolmagno and others, there is more evidence supporting my statements in this thread than is necessary.
I have proven his statements beyond doubt.

Balducci is important, and heads a group that deals with U.F.Os, Abductions, and Disclosure for the Vatican, he says so himself several times on TV and in interviews.
We have proved his credibility
that gives more credibility to his words.
And make no doubt he has more authority to speak for the Vatican than most.
A most senior Vatican Figure.
Fact

[edit on 23-4-2007 by Shadoww]

Oh and since we have proven his credibility and his standing in the Vatican lets hear what he says for himself.
From the horses mouth
www.youtube.com...

Here is a very interesting video about our favorite Padre.
video.google.co.uk...

[edit on 23-4-2007 by Shadoww]

Thank you Shadoww, that is all I was asking for, but...

If those sources fall under the term "credible" then I have lost all hope in the internet as a viable resource. I mean...

Wikipedia- not a good source. Do you know who writes Wikipedia?

GSR- What is this? Who owns the website and who do they represent? On top of that who works for them and how are they any more credible than your other sources.

Your Third Source- Where does this come from? At the end of the article it says it was written by Balducci? Does credibility now come from someone saying they themselves have credibility.

www.bringyou.to- Again, how is this a reliable source?

Lastly, when I mean credible, I mean newsworthy. If you had a link to any major players (NY Times, BBC, CNN, CBS...hell...even FOX) then your point may be a little more valid to me.

As far as I can tell you are getting all of your information from independant websites which cannot confirm one way or the other if the information presented in them is in anyway verifiable. Sorry to put you through the ringer here, but you are claiming that Balducci is acting on behalf of the Vatican (read the title to this thread again if you don't believe me), and I am just not seeing the proof behind these statements.

Originally posted by Shadoww


Balducci is important, and heads a group that deals with U.F.Os, Abductions, and Disclosure for the Vatican, he says so himself several times on TV and in interviews.

You have not proven that as fact it is just what you are assuming is the case. By your own admission a page or so back you admitted they could not even give you his exact title, in the email they sent, or is your memory so bad???

With that said to the above I want to see something from the Vatican site that states what you are saying that he heads this alleged group.

I do not doubt the man is at the Vatican but what I do doubt is the claim he declared ETS are real. As I recall what he said was something along the lines that he thought their was a possibility/probability they existed which is not exactly the same as saying they do exist.

lol, i dont need more proof.
I got plenty..
wether you get it or not is not my problem

Originally posted by Shadoww
However, not only is Father Balducci “close to the Pope”, he is
what is known as a “priest of honour”, and has been so listed in the Vatican
Directory since 1964. He is currently a member of the papal household.
link
66.102.9.104...:NPuuG8C297sJ:www.lse.ac.uk/collections/CPNSS/pdf/DP_withCoverPages/DP38/DP38F-98-C.pdf+corrado+balducci+contact+det

So, show me proof that he is listed in the Vatican Directory? Show me proof that he is "close to the Pope"? Show me real proof that verifies his own claims and the claims of others on this subject and that he is speaking for the Vatican itself. Again, I want reliable sources...just because someone al LSE (London School of Economics and Political Science) interviewed him and used his own quotes still does not prove he is acting on behalf of the Pope and the Vatican.

Show me a website that would have the proof I am asking for that is not independently run and has no bias. Again, I don't want transcriptions of interviews and the like. I just want proof about Balducci himself, his claims, and undeniable proof that the Vatican will uphold his beliefs.

Shots- Thank you. That is exactly what I want to know. I don't know whether this guy is just pulling our chains to see if we take the bait, but his lack of REAL proof is amazing to say the least. We are asking for simple answers to back up his claims, and he cannot even provide the simple proof that is necessary to make such a claim...sigh!

[edit on 23-4-2007 by Jazzerman]

Yes. Fr. Balducci has said these things, translated from Italian by Paolo Harris. Proven.

Yes. Fr. Balducci is a member of the Vatican church, he's on the roster. Proven.

Yes. Fr. Balducci is the real deal, genuine as air itself not a figment of anyones imagination. Proven.

Yes. He is in good standing with the Catholic Church and is embraced by the Papal family. Who wouldnt embrace such a nice guy? Proven.

Your contention is (by the thread title) is that he has specific, official Vatican backing regarding his statements re: ET and UFO's and this is not the case. You are trying to infer a truth or attach a sense of Vatican authority to his statements where there in reality is none.

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[edit on 23-4-2007 by Shadoww]