Rapper: I Wouldn't Help Police Catch A Serial Killer

Originally posted by shots
And no I did no back peddling at all, unlike Implied I have admitted all along there were some bad cops yet proclaimed all were not violent he on the other hand did.

You are STILL skating.

My point about backing off was backing off from the claim that rap music makes people mistrust the cops. I notice you did this as soon as I mentioned that mistrust for cops is far older than rap.

It's cool; I'll take your refusal to answer as a recanting of that point.

Originally posted by shots
It proved a point there is no crime or little if any in rhe state, which makes your and implied/s theory that all cops are violent wrong thats why.

And no I did no back peddling at all, unlike Implied I have admitted all along there were some bad cops yet proclaimed all were not violent he on the other hand did.

This is getting a bit off topic. Is Cam'ron from North Dakota? So why do police in ND matter? They don't in this case. Cam'ron was raised in Harlem NYC, so his experience in Harlem are what forged his ideas about the police, and the distrust for them.

And there are enough instances of police brutality in Harlem for one to advise caution when dealing with the police. And, rule #1, don't call on them for help because it's likely to do more harm than good, whether from the police themselves, or from someone claiming you're a snitch.

And I'll also add that if someone thinks you're a snitch, then the police aren't going to protect you. There is no witness protection for people who call the police on violent offenders.

Originally posted by truthseeka


You are STILL skating.

I never backed off. I still say rappers are at the very base of the problem. You just took it other then it was meant and I did not recant anything. Here I said it a dozen times already if Rappers would change their lyrics there would not be in my opinion as much viuolence as there is now.

Originally posted by Rasobasi420

This is getting a bit off topic. Is Cam'ron from North Dakota? So why do police in ND matter? They don't in this case.

I clearly stated it was used as an example One can only assume you missed that post

And yes it does pertain since Implied claimed that ALL POLICE are violent. The example was used to show it is impossible for them all to be violent. If there is no crime there is nothing to get violent over.

If I am correct you Implied and a few others are basing the actions of a few police based on what you see within major cities,

Well HELLO ever heard of the suburbs and rural areas? You see cops several times a day which is not the case in other areas. We see them only when they are called which is normally only for EMT/911/car accidents because we have little if any crime other then kids pulling pranks. Do we have crime at times sure we do but it might be once or twice a year not daily as in cities.


Now you can take your blinders off because not all cops are violent only some.

i can't believe that censorship of any kind is even an option/thought these days...that people have it on the table, want it or are thinking about it disturbs me far more than what common said.

to get back to that, there is not being a snitch and not alerting the law to a serial killer. i think most people make the distinction..

cops ask you who took the tv..."i don't know"..don't want to snitch..i get it.
you KNOW the green river killer is living next door though, friggin suck it up and make the call.

like someone else said, i think it was an ignorant statement to get some publicity, and it worked.

now, since it has gotten into censorship, i can't believe anyone would be for it.
presonally, i don't want the gov censoring anything that comes into my house over the waves...radio/tv/net, whatever...i(ME) will decide what i want to watch and what i don't. i will decide what my child soaks up at home..with the click of a few buttons, i can censor everything(ar most of it, and also monitor) everything they do on the net, i can block channels and i can simply take audio devices away.

what is the big deal?

words are just words...how you accept them defines how twisted up you get about it..

i just can't stand censorship

--Well obviously if you live in a rural area you will see the cops few times a day..due to the spread of the population. In cities people are literally on top of each other, poorer and mostly disinfrancized minorites
---Once again you are twisting my words...yes i did say ALL COPS ARE VIOLENT but that does not mean that ALL cops are evil/bad. You ae misinterpreting me, enven though i have explicit explained to you my view point.
---You dont hear about alot of police brutality in ND b/c there are about 12 back people in that state.
---You also backpeddled and said "well i could have told you thats the way thigs were like 50 yrs ago". NO you have said I miss the days in the past when there was less violence because eerything was censored. You kept bring up Milwauki but when I brough up about 4 cases of polce brutality you chose to tip toe around it..even though you said Milwaulki is such a great place to live.
---But let us focus on the NYPD to get back to the OP. Camron is from there...Canyou at east see that the NYPD has been proven to be a corrupt task force. Damn how many black men must they SODOMIZE and MURDER in order for you to understand this? Or would you rather they kill us all before you can see why we dont trust them?

Originally posted by ImpliedChaos

yes i did say ALL COPS ARE VIOLENT

You do realize when you say all that implies every cop in the US don't you or the way stated actually every where in the world.

---You dont hear about alot of police brutality in ND b/c there are about 12 back people in that state.

I assume you meant black people not back people and I hate to e break it to you but MINOT and Grandforks AFBs alone each have hundreds of blacks stationed there. The cities Grand Forks, Minot, Williston, Bismark, Fargo moorehead also have roughly 200 permanent African Americans and 4 to five hundred Hispanics all that live in the same area of each town or very close just like in major cites. I would however assume that Fargo Moore might be significantly higher but I am not sure. Your Ignorance about ND has been denied.

Edit to correct my estimates which were low very low. it was actually much much higher and this is just Minot so assume I was just as low if not lower for the rest yet it still proves my point and proves your ignorance about ND has been denied.

Democrafics Minot


Now that is not a real nice thing to say about those that live in ND I can assure they are not all hicks and you better watch your tongue my wife is from North Dakota and takes offense to what you said as would her relatives in ND. So Stop Calling them hicks.

---But let us focus on the NYPD to get back to the OP. Camron is from there...

No lets not focus on where he is from your statement was that

ALL COPS

are violent and that includes police in North Dakota.

See what happens when you use a spray can you paint yourself into a corner so next time limit the groups which you are targeting unless of course you want to come out looking rather foolish.

[edit on 5/7/2007 by shots]

Great point Implied. I do not think all cops are violent though, I think all cops can be, and most of them are violent. It's like saying all people are violent. All people aren't violent, but can be. Cops however, are trained to be violent, to protect themselves and others. shots, realize that being violent and being evil/bad are two different things. Also, and I quote "I still say rappers are the very base of the problem."(Statement made by shots). How did you determine this?

Basically, what you're saying is, if we eliminated/changed/discontinued rap music and rappers alike, we would have broken down the root cause of the problem and we'll make big advancements to handle the situation.

Think about it...it even sounds stupid. Removing rap/rappers is actually going to eliminate the root of the problem?! Is that what you're saying?

Homie...are you high? Are you a junkie? What have you been snorting? Do you have a neurological disorder? It takes a junkie or a mad man to actually think, worse yet say something that has such a high level of stupidity labeled all over it.

I cannot believe I actually saw someone type that. It's not even rediculous...I don't know what to say about it. It's mind baffling! How old are you? Where do you live? Are you another form of species all together? Actually, now that I've read what you say...I can honestly say that it's people like you that are "...the base of the problem." Seriously, you my friend is what's the problem. Not Hip Hop music, not rappers...but you. I don't even need to find proof of that...you brought all the proof I need to the table.

I think it's time for bed shots, you're up way too late, 'cause either you're very young, very high or very crazy? Either way...some rest is what you need.

[edit on 7-5-2007 by sdrawkcab]

Originally posted by sdrawkcab
How did you determine this?

Easy my comments were based on what my understanding is after reading several articles from Shaprton and others.

Critics blame Recording Industry for degradation of black women

Note the use of the words "Blame recording Industry in the title."

[edit on 5/7/2007 by shots]

Originally posted by shots


I still say rappers are at the very base of the problem.

That is a very silly comment. Rappers are no more the cause of crime, poverty and distress any more than Rock and Roll is the reason for Satan worship and drug use.

I hope you can delve a little deeper into the problems, rather than just jumping to immediate irrational conclusions.

It's like blaming techno music for the spread of AIDS in the gay community

Originally posted by shots
Easy my comments were based on what my understanding is after reading several articles from Shaprton and others.

Hmmm... Why all of a sudden do you put so much credibility in Al Sharpton? In previous posts, in previous threads, you have made distinct claims that Sharpton cares nothing for the black community, and are only out for the cameras. Why is this instance any different?

Okay, I understand what you're saying. I thought that when you said "problem", you were referring to the current debate dealing with police and their behaviour.

However, let me break something down to you. I can call a bitch a bitch if I please, and I can call a ho if I please. Some people know the difference. I will never call a lady a hoe or the likes. A hoe is a hoe, a bitch is a bitch, a lady is a lady. A bitch by meaning is a spiteful woman or female dog. A hoe, well, I think you know what that means aswell.

A lot of people use the words loosely now, but the words have their place. As for the n-word, if you knew Hip Hop history, you'll know why we(blacks) started using it. It all goes back to the days of the NWA and Ice Cube.

Ice Cube was one of the first, if not the frist person to start this. His reason for this was, by using the word ourselves, we would take away some the power white people get when they use it. Sort of like..."Oh...what's that you wanna call me..a ni**er, yeah, I'm a ni**er...so what?"

"If that's what you think I am...then, I'll do the dirty work for you...I am a ni**er!" Apparently, it worked, because the more we used it, the less they would use it. Apparently, they(white people) didn't know that the word had so much power, until we started using it loosely...where it actually became sort of powerless to the people who originally started using it.

If a bitch is acting like a bitch and does not expect me to call her what she is...too bad for her...if she acted like a lady, she wouldn't be called a bitch.

Also, seeing that these words are already censored, I do not see where the problem lies. They are already censored and some rap artists replace certain words for radio friendly versions of their tracks. What's the problem? Again, the problem is you(not necessarily you shots, but anyone else who behaves as you do)...if you are not smart enough to purchase the censored versions, or simply change the channel, yet still complain about their language, you're probably retarded.

Also, this has nothing to do with police behaviour. Calling a bitch a bitch, or lady a bitch doesn't stop, or encourage a policeman to behave unjust.

Another point I must bring up is that, seeing that there are other music genres that make uses of these words...I presume you have a problem with them aswell. You better have a problem with them aswell, because if it's just Hip Hop, I think you're a little more than double standard!

Why am I now with sharpton now you ask. Surpised you would need to answer I thought it was obvious because he has come out and is starting to talk out against the indusdrty that is why.

Originally posted by Rasobasi420
[That is a very silly comment. Rappers are no more the cause of crime, poverty and distress any more than Rock and Roll is the reason for Satan worship and drug use.

That is a matter of opinion. I have mine and you have yours so we just have to agree that we disagree easy as that

Originally posted by sdrawkcab

A lot of people use the words loosely now, but the words have their place. As for the n-word, if you knew Hip Hop history, you'll know why we(blacks) started using it. It all goes back to the days of the NWA and Ice Cube.

And there in lies the problem they use the words far to loosely. several years ago the use of profanity of any kind would get you a stiff fine and in some cases it still will.


I know the argument is that it is a form of free speech, yet even free speech is not free speech when you are in a company, store, restaurant, private home, theater etc., if the owner tells you to stop you have to stop or you can be arrested. Those very same owners could prohibit record distributors from putting a certain CD on their Jukebox if they wanted and there is not a darn thing anyone can do about it.

So as you can clearly see you think you can call them a bitch if you want or whatever but not when the owner says no, your free speech goes right out the window.

Originally posted by shots
That is a matter of opinion. I have mine and you have yours so we just have to agree that we disagree easy as that

Do I have to explain to you the difference between statements of facts, and statements of opinion again shots?

I don't like the way radishes taste. That's an opinion, and does not need any factual evidence to back it up.

Radishes are responsible for the decline in the rabbit population. That is a statement of fact, and needs evidence to support it.

Claiming rap music is at fault for anything needs factual evidence to back it up. And such a claim is not an opinion.

[edit on 7-5-2007 by Rasobasi420]

Originally posted by Rasobasi420
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Claiming rap music is at fault for anything needs factual evidence to back it up. And such a claim is not an opinion.

Not in this case. Is your memory that short??? I said in my opnion, I never said it was fact so you are wrong and I do not have to provide any evidence for an opinion you just said so

So, if I said "In My opinion, the Earth revolves around the moon" I wouldn't have to provide evidence?

Saying "In my opinion" doesn't automatically make a statement an opinion.

Originally posted by Rasobasi420
So, if I said "In My opinion, the Earth revolves around the moon" I wouldn't have to provide evidence?

Saying "In my opinion" doesn't automatically make a statement an opinion.

When I say it is my opinion that is exactly what I mean. You can play Semitics all you want but it will not work with me.

[edit on 5/7/2007 by shots]

It's all well and good to have an opinion. Ain't nothin' wrong with that.

However, having an opinion based upon some fact is more advisable. There are...stupid opinions and sensible opinions. In this case, I'm sure yours' doesn't come anywhere near the latter...but ofcourse, that's just my opinion.