Rapper: I Wouldn't Help Police Catch A Serial Killer

Come on man...*I didn't read your entire post*, but sometimes..charges have a way of disappearing. Do you live in the real world shots?

Speak for yourself when you speak. You speak as if what you say is what happens everywhere, all the time. Come on...be real!

Just like you ask if all cops are bad cops *And the answer is clearly no*, ask yourself if all cops are good cops?

[edit on 4-5-2007 by sdrawkcab]

Originally posted by sdrawkcab
Come on man...*I didn't read your entire post*, but sometimes..charges have a way of disappearing. Do you live in the real world shots?

Yes I do and to mention what goes on around me is wrong simply because I am not the one making these allegations it is others. Therefore the burden of proof lies on them not me. But in alll fairness I did go and get a few sites did you? I doubt it.

Oh and I never said this or things like this never happened I know they do


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Well, seeing that you know things like this happen...why are we debating this. Because that was my whole point and we can agree upon that; that these things happen.

The only differences we have are on the views of censorship...and we have both clearly stated our views on the matter. I shall remove myself from this debate, until I see reason to get back into it.

*Observing patiently*

Originally posted by ImpliedChaos
I was going to start naming cities but that takes too long. How about this take all of the majo cites then add hundreds of small hick towns in the south. I know we have had alot of incidences in jacksonville...gainesville, orlando, miami, tallahassee, atl...but those are just the areas closest to me.

Well I just checked using google with Jacksonville Orlando police brutality and found a few incidents most of which were found to be allegations one even claimed the one individual was on a witch hunt. I am still trying to find that link again will post it it when I can.

Found it commissioner alleges police brutality in Orlando. Turned out to be a witch hunt.

I also checked out Brown watch they too allege a lot of brutality yet few have been convicted.

Jacksonville as I recall turned up some cases regarding lasers but not that many cases of police brutality in re cents months so now I've checked three of your ares where are the convictions? If they were true they should have been convicted or is this just more of your all cops are bad cops?

Atlanta as you listed is and has been on a list of suspected cities for years so I suspect you are right Atlanta like New Orleans and ten others have bad cops that cannot be denied. Yet you wanted to take all major cities when only a few are know to be bad, why?

Now where does this all lead us right back to the start and not one of you Rappers and hip Hop supporters can explain why people will not turn people in all you are doing is defending the music. Hmm why is that? Oh I know you like the other rappers want to fill your pockets with money don't Ya?


In my humble opinion all you want to do is make others think cops are bad so you can make a fast buck nothing more just like the major rappers:shk:


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I don't think you're being fair here shots. Implied, or anyone for that matter, never said that cops(the word in general) are bad. We merely stated that helping the cops is not the best thing to do in certain situations, whatever they are.

Some of the things you are saying, no one ever said any of those things. You are assuming and making judgments.

I think I will go your route. I think that you simply do not like Hip Hop music, so you say/think up anything you can to tarnish it and point out all the negative aspects of it(although you seem to have no knowledge about the positive aspects).

Also, in case you did not know this, most of the reports about police brutality and mistreatment are not reported. Apparently you didn't know this.

[edit on 4-5-2007 by sdrawkcab]

Originally posted by sdrawkcab
I don't think you're being fair here shots. Implied, or anyone for that matter, never said that cops(the word in general) are bad. We merely stated that helping the cops is not the best thing to do in certain situations, whatever they are.

I beg to differ with you Implied did say there were several instances but he said it would take to much time. I am not making any allegations they are and no one has proven they are anything other then allegations, remember innocent until proven guilty. I am trying to be very fair I have checked the alleged claims that there are several cases in Florida in Jacksonville, Gainesville, Orlando and all I came up with were allegations.

I said it once I have said it more then once all this rap supporters are doing is tryig to imply cops are bad so people will buy their music. I guess it is the in thing to point a finger within out evidence now huh? Nope not where I live.

Most of the times these cops do not get convicted. My family and I have had personal incidences with the police in which they were rude, disrespectful, and just didnt care about our problem. Of course you are not going to see them being convicted of anything but it does skew group's veiw of them and therefore causing a lack of trust (need i bring up rodney king) Also a BIG case in jacksonville is that of Brenton Butler ...( in 2000 he was a 15 yr old wrongly accused of murderering a white lad. He was beaten by the sherriff's son who is black by the way, and another officer admitted to calling him the n-word.Filmakers won an academy award for for the documentary on this case)..Also Cops also are slow to react and do not preform their job poperly in certain communities..You cant really charge them with that can you?? Also if the cops are doing wrong who do you go to in order to turn them in... There are alot of cases where cops dont do their job or do it poorly but havent really done anything criminal per se like beaten/murdered someone.. I have neve said that ALL cops are bad..but i do not trust cops in general..Just llike some people dont trust lawyers..I dont trust cops because they are human. Alot of people hold cops to a hero satus just because of their badge, well they dont just automaticaly get that from me..


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I think this is simply a cheap way to promote thier album. This type of asinine statement is taylor made for cheap publicity. Fire up the base, and establish some sort of street credential they crave.

Rap music has gone from talking about real issues to this comic book style sell out we have to deal with today.

So what you are admitting is exactly what I said, all you have are allegations.

Yet you alleged they committed crimes which shows bias on your part for sure.


Granted there are good cops and bad cops there is no doubt about that but you should not go around making allegations you cannot back up.

Now will you answer my question. Why do people refuse too turn criminals in? My guess is because rappers have convinced them that all police are bad that why and that is of course just an assumption on my part as I have no proof, but I am working on it

Originally posted by shots
So what you are admitting is exactly what I said, all you have are allegations.

Yet you alleged they committed crimes which shows bias on your part for sure.

Granted there are good cops and bad cops there is no doubt about that but you should not go around making allegations you cannot back up.
Now will you answer my question. Why do people refuse too turn criminals in? My guess is because rappers have convinced them that all police are bad that why and that is of course just an assumption on my part as I have no proof, but I am working on it

Alleged or not I go by first hand personal experiences. You logic is that we must only count the number of times a cop was CONVICTED of brutality before we can form our negative opinion otherwise we are considered biased?. Well how many Klansmen were convicted of murder???If we follow your logic then because only a few have been convicted and their atrocities have only been alleged there is no need to fear for my saftey when i am around them right?
I have answered that question numerous times and I have gotten tired of repeating myself. I am only going to write this ONE MORE TIME so read closely. These are some reasons why people refuse to help cops.
a) Some cops are corrupt. (How much help do you expect to get from one criminal to help catch another)
b)Some cops brutalize others (Either the witness or a family member of the witness/victim has them selves been subject to being roughed up, beaten, killed, or otherwise harrassed they have seen this happen)
c)Some cops ae apathetic (You go up to a cop and tell him your issue..he doesnt really care therefore he doesnt look into it or does a half-a-- job)
d) Some cops potect and serve only a select few (You tell the cop wht you saw but they dont offer you any protection leaving you at the mercy of the criminals)
e) 99% of cops follow the BLUE WALL OF SILENCE (similar to the stop snitching theory..they refuse to rat each other out. There are a few good cops. but they taint themselves by either overlooking,ignoing or not caring about their comrades discretions)

I would like for you to address all of the above points and tell me why I should trust the police. As for my paticular neighborhood I told you of the story of Brenton Butler..Now if the Sherriff's own son can abuse a CHILD without any repricussions then why would I turn to them????

You have been privileged to live in areas not necessarily without this sort of behavior but in areas in which you either 1) are oblivious to it 2) have not been the victim 3) have not closely known a victim of the police 4) Think that 99% of allegations towads the police are false of the police. Because of this you are seeing the issue with blinders on.

Rappers are not teaching people not to mistrust the police..The police are doing a damn fine job of that themselves. The rappers speak about what they know, they are the voice of the streets..They would not be saying something like that if the streets didnt think it was true to begin with. If rappers all of sudden started rapping that plumbers are evil..they beat up black people..we ae ot going to buy it because we know otherwise. But in the case of the police officers. we know the truth..even though you refuse to accept it. But hey you call the police right now I bet you they would answer in 10-20 mins max. If I called the police how long do you think it woud take for them to come to my house...try 2 hours (with a substation a block away). and by the time they arrive on the seen they will look at me like I did something wrong. But I dont expect you to understand that

Originally posted by shots
Just for the record I lived in an area that was 90% African American and 10% white from 1949 thru 1956 and I never developed that mind set neither did our neighbors and their neighbors who were African Americans so I can state for a fact you are absolutely wrong. No drive by shootings either and when anyone committed a crime it was reported by both cultures or I should say all cultures there were a few others who were from the far east.

The 50s?

Isn't that when white men could literally get away with murdering black people? (Emmett Till comes to mind ) Juries would literally say "not guilty" as soon as they started deliberations. That wasn't "stop snitchin"; that was "get them boys off for killing that colored boy." But yeah, 2 different fruits...

Wow. Must be nice up there in the clouds...

I didnt even notice that he said the 50's
But what i find most interesting is that he said his black neighbors didnt have a problem. Once again How do you know..is this the type of topic you have talked about with them. Maybe they didnt want to speak in mixed company.

Originally posted by ImpliedChaos
These are some reasons why people refuse to help cops.
a) Some cops are corrupt. (How much help do you expect to get from one criminal to help catch another)
b)Some cops brutalize others (Either the witness or a family member of the witness/victim has them selves been subject to being roughed up, beaten, killed, or otherwise harrassed they have seen this happen)
c)Some cops ae apathetic (You go up to a cop and tell him your issue..he doesnt really care therefore he doesnt look into it or does a half-a-- job)
d) Some cops potect and serve only a select few (You tell the cop wht you saw but they dont offer you any protection leaving you at the mercy of the criminals)
e) 99% of cops follow the BLUE WALL OF SILENCE (similar to the stop snitching theory..they refuse to rat each other out. There are a few good cops. but they taint themselves by either overlooking,ignoing or not caring about their comrades discretions)

Now all your answer just proved my point once again you paint all police with one very broad brush as being bad or against a culture. :shk:

Get over it, already it is nowhere as bad as you are making it out to be if it were the whole paper would be full of nothing but allegations against ALL police and you know darn well your figure of 99%(Blue Wall of Silence) is way to high, But you can keep right on blowing it out of proportion

As for your first comment regarding my logic, well it is not my logic it is the law. Innocient until proven guilty. And when I say that; it pertains to all people not just the Police I want to make that very clear.

As for bringing the KLAN into this that is really streaching it on your part. Was it bad, yes it was, very bad, but things were much different back then and laws have been put in place to prevent what the KKK did.






[edit on 5/5/2007 by shots]

Originally posted by ImpliedChaos

But what i find most interesting is that he said his black neighbors didnt have a problem. Once again How do you know..is this the type of topic you have talked about with them. Maybe they didnt want to speak in mixed company.

You have to remember this took place in the North our schools were not segregated as in the south nor were blacks forced to ride in the back of the bus. Things were much different here then in the South.

Oh, please.

Chaos said SOME cops. The only thing broad was the Blue Wall of Silence, and what she said was closer to the truth than you think.

Papers would be full of this? Seriously, not to be rude but, what ARE you smoking? I'd like a few puffs myself.

They whooped Rodney's ass on tape that was aired NATIONALLY, and were initially acquitted. They beat down a UCLA student recently. They beat down Faux News reporters. They beat down a retired teacher in New Orleans.

All I've seen in the past few years are videos of cops whooping people's asses. These FAR outnumber the reports of cops being convicted for these crimes. Gee, I wonder why?

And this is caught on tape. On tape.:shk:

Originally posted by truthseeka

All I've seen in the past few years are videos of cops whooping people's asses. These FAR outnumber the reports of cops being convicted for these crimes. Gee, I wonder why?

Perhaps you are not watching the right channels. I have seen many where it was alleged beatings took place no doubt. I have also see where officers stopped an individual and the squad cams showed where the individual that was stopped started the violence. In one case a lady cried rape what a laugh that was the cop never even got close to the car before she drove away at high speed. In this case she cried rape after they caught her but the camera told a different story. You also have to remember that when you view some of those online videos if you do not know how to capture them and play back at slow speeds they show that many claims were false allegations.

Ok, shots, you're right.

The police are angels of the highest order, who never get away with abusing people and their authority. They're the sweetest people around, who get a bad rap because of their jackboot tactics, and who DOESN'T use jackboot tactics?

The real problem are the people accusing cops of doing this. Sure, they may have cracked heads, bruises, or 30 bullets in their ass, but where is the REAL evidence?

Hands down...I trule believe shots and some others are arguing a point that they know is false.

You keep mentioning that we say cops are bad. No one ever said that shots, we say that like good cops, there are bad cops. Some communities have more bad cops than good(for whatever reason). You are fortunate to live in a neighbourhood that has pure justice, some of us however, are not that fortunate.

That is all we are saying. I said it before, and I'll say it again, because I'm tired repeating myself. When you(shots and others) speak, speak for yourself. You cannot sit in you home and say that I can trust and help the police where I live. You do not live here, therefore you do not know that. I'd quicker help a lawyer, doctor, even a politician(actually no, not a politician, they're actually worse where I'm from) than help the police where I live.

Implied answered every question you put toward the discussion. And they were answered logically. You however, are speaking illogically. And let us say that they (rappers) are saying these things to promote sales...guess what...it's also true; just so happens it's going to promote sales too, what a fortunate coincidense.

What are you arguing? What are you saying? That not all cops are bad? Very well, we all agreed upon that, all cops are not bad, just like all cops not good. What else are you saying; that you do not like the music? We can all agree that you can listening to something else. Great...we're a bunch of agreeing people. What else do you have a problem with? What's that shots...you don't appreciate me saying some cops are bad? Okay, then I'll say exactly what you want to hear...all cops are good. Very good...!

As a matter of fact, I think I'm going to do something to help the police tonight. *I hope I'm not assaulted by them...or atleast get protection for "snitching".*

You know what, it's funny the way some of you speak...as if what you say applies to absolutely everyone, especially black people apparently.

Do me a favour, alter your dna a bit so you look...a little darker, actually, that doesn't matter...do not do that. Just pack your stuff, head over to where I, or Implied lives and maybe stick around a month or 2 and be as helping as you possibly can with the police around our areas...ohh, and make sure to get some kind of health insurance and a very good lawyer, 'cause you're going to need them.

[edit on 5-5-2007 by sdrawkcab]

Originally posted by truthseeka
Ok, shots, you're right.

The police are angels of the highest order, who never get away with abusing people and their authority.

What are you drinking I need some of that stuff must be real good. I have already stated, here from my post above

Granted there are good cops and bad cops there is no doubt about that but you should not go around making allegations you cannot back up.

Now kindly stop blowing things out of proportion and read the previous posts the one I quoted clearly shows you I do not consider them all angels.

One thing is for sure though you on the other hand come right out and do not even use a broad brush you are using a spray can by calling them all violent. :shk:

Originally posted by truthseeka

I say it this way because, let's face it, all cops are violent. It's a part of their job, like boxers or prison guards. I say this because these cops RELISH this part of the job.

Source


Have a nice day


[edit on 5/5/2007 by shots]

Originally posted by sdrawkcab
Do me a favour, alter your dna a bit so you look...a little darker, actually, that doesn't matter...do not do that. Just pack your stuff, head over to where I, or Implied lives and maybe stick around a month or 2 and be as helping as you possibly can with the police around our areas...ohh, and make sure to get some kind of health insurance and a very good lawyer, 'cause you're going to need them.

No need to do that I can go to Racine right into its worst area and I am not afraid at all. I come out untouched several times a year. The people are rather nice I might add and they all do not complain like you and others.

Checking www.bestplaces.net...
and compare Racine to Gainsville in Florida and you will find they are comparable cities statistically.





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