Rapper: I Wouldn't Help Police Catch A Serial Killer

You are right liking or disliking music has nothing to do with education...But criticizing a whole genre and arguable a way of life does. Its not like you said I dont like rappers who cuss, or talk about certain things (like sex). You have said that you dont like rap period and people who have a mentality of not trusting the police. Both of these opinions especially the latter require thorough education in order to fully be able to (logically and intelligently) back up your opinion

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Originally posted by ImpliedChaos
. Both of these opinions especially the latter require thorough education in order to fully be able to (logically and intelligently) back up your opinion

I hate to break this to you but no one has to back up their opinion unless of course they want to turn it into a fact which is not the case here. I clearly stated several -pages back perhaps you missed it but I said we are going to have to agree that we disagree on the issue. Is that so hard to understand?

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First off I thought that I was the first to say Lets agree to disagree (not the point but im just saying..)...But you are not just stating your opinion. Your not saying I think....You are saying things as if it were fact like rappers are exaggerating the issue of police brutality..well in order to comment on such a situation you must have knowledge of both rappers and police brutality..otherwise you are just spouting nonsense. Its kind of like if I said The U.S can make nuclear weapons for $5 ..Even though this is an opinion, I have no knowledge on what it takes to make one or what it cost so my opinion would be an illogical and uneducated one..Now if i backed up my opinion with prior knowledge or evidence...it would still be me my opinion...but just more of a valid argument. We are making VALID ARGUMENTS..you have been spouting nonsense...That of course is your right but I thought we were all here to deny ignorance ....I guess not

Originally posted by ImpliedChaos
You are saying things as if it were fact like rappers are exaggerating the issue of police brutality..

Not when I have clearly stated it is just my opinion I am not. You are just taking it the wrong way and that is not my fault.

Hmm..kinda like the way you keep misinterpreting me and twisting my words my words???? Well IMO most of the thing you have said have been inaccurate generalizations...and like I said there is a difference between a valid argument and an unfounded opinion...You are stating your opinions as if they are valid arguments and they are not...

Originally posted by ImpliedChaos
You are stating your opinions as if they are valid arguments and they are not...

No I am not.

I have never stated they were anything other then my opinion tis you that wants to make them into an arguement. Personally I could care less

Hmm..you're obviously getting frustrated..and if you really didn't care you wouldn't have responded. But hey I have enjoyed this lively discussion that we have had (even though I believe you are wrong) and hope to continue it...You need to reread what you have written so you can see how your 'opinions' have been made to look like 'valid arguments'..

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Originally posted by shots
So are you saying everyone should educate their selves on any kind/types of music they like? I do not think so. Liking or disliking music has nothing to do with education at all. Why can't you get that through your head?

No, people don't need to educate themselves on every type of music. But if they decide to argue whole heartedly against it, they'd better know what they're talking about. If not, they're just going to look silly, uneducated and stubborn. We have a lot of those on ATS though.

Your senese of hearing is like your taste buds. when you eat something either you like it or you don't. The same with your sense of smell either you like the smell or you do not. No Education required at all because it's one of the five human senses.

Well thank you Mr. Wizard, now when you can explain to me how meatloaf was destroying the fabric of society, I'd be impressed.

It's pointless, simple and plain.

It would be like me railing against country music. Not because I think it's the crappiest sounding music there is, but because it's making country white people beat up their wives and develop unnatural feelings for their dogs. I don't know a THING about the history/meaning of country music, but I KNOW that it is detrimental to the hick culture.

Or let's say I rail against death metal because it makes suburban white kids shoot up their schools. Same thing.

It's not the music that makes people do this; it's the people! Wow, what a strange concept.

White kids are to blame for shooting up their schools.
The redneck who beats up his wife is to blame for spousal abuse.
Thugs in the hood are to blame for killing their rivals.
Po pos are to blame for people thinking they'll whoop your ass for no reason.

But NOOOOOO. Let's not blame the people in each case; let's blame the MUSIC they listen to.

what??? you mean we as humans have free will and full control of our minds and bodies...you mean to tell me music doesnt control my every action or thought??? well damn aint that a new concept

Originally posted by ImpliedChaos

what??? you mean we as humans have free will and full control of our minds and bodies...you mean to tell me music doesnt control my every action or thought??? well damn aint that a new concept

ok, you guys are acting like you are blind. there are obviouse exceptions in any case, but to say that rap and hip hop are not promoting the racial tension between blacks and whites, then you need to do some research on your own music.

I spent some years listening to rap. from the rise of snoop to the fall of DMX i was right there saying all those things that i wouldn't say infront of my mother.

I will come right out and say it. Black rappers are racists. they are constantly redrawing the line between black and white. there is not one original lyric in any song writen since 2000. there has not been ONE good thing come from hip hop since the start. just a bunch of bitching and winning and "ME ME ME ME" "LOOK AT ME" "IM SO COOL" "I GOT BLING"

STFU it is so old and degrading to even hear this crap and believe they blong to the same species as me. they are over paid Idiots with no imagination or musical skill, (i can tap to a beat too) no decency, no care for politics or humanity. they are a waste of skin and valuable compact disks.

and they are not even tough, most have never worked a solid day in their life and have hands like women.



just my opinion

Tom goose I would vote way above for you if i had any more votes left. Dang. Anyway you are correct, current black music (aka rap) promotes racism and is plain simple cut racist. Talk about money, "bitches" everything, just materialism.

There are no good messages in rap. Music is meant to be felt, and has meaning, but it can also move the masses. And this is exactly what it is doing to the black community. Why is it that every black kid wants to be a rapper or a Bball player, because thats all they have for models and ever will if the black community does not get its act together.

THey just dont understand one out of maybe a million will become a bBall player, or a rapper. The odds are unrealistic. Rap music is not real music, it is crap. The black community who promote this are doing this to themselves, and putting the blame elsewhere.

Shame on them

I honestly dont know what its like for a black person in a black neighborhood. Ive heard contradicting stories about certain areas. some say they are warzones, some say they are family neighborhoods with bad elements connected with drugs. There is nothing i can say for those people because i do not live their life. I have no problem moving away from a bad neigborhood to a better life. done it almost 10 times myself. What anchors these people to those neighborhoods is their own problem,

But how did thier problems suddenly become the illusional problems of young people walking around white suburbia?

The recording industry. Why is the recording industry promoting and incouraging degrading, and damaging music?

I remember when snoop first came out and the start of the whole "explicit lyric, parentual advisory" logo. At the beginning you had to be 18 to buy an album with that logo. then that just vanished withing months, and anyone can get one. I was too young to care about the politics of that and would love to hear someone inlighten me as to why that was.

How many people bellow the age of 18 are killed by the use of tobacco?Im not sure, but i think im my city it is quite low. However i do know that just amoung the indo canadian population in BC canada, at least 15-20 die each year, most lying within 5 yards of 22" crome rims. How many young people in your community get caught in possetion of deadly weopons? In mine it is a lot.

Who gave these kids the Idea that it was cool to roll like that? what promoted this? whats keeping it going? Im not going to say that rap is keeping it going, it has already done its job. now we just sit back and deal with the consiquences.

[edit on 11-5-2007 by tom goose]

So i guess we have some people trying to help shots out....First both you last posters are generalizing rap. Rap has NO positive messages? Um please..Know the genre before you question it I know alot of songs by popular artist that are positive. and like i have stated before they just get no airplay although some do and become hits (Nas-"one mic"&"i know i can" Eve "love is blind" Game "dreams""come to mind) there are also alot of popular songs that aren't positive per say but aren't pomoting any negativity (most of the dance songs 'chicken noodle soup' "2 step""walk it out" "pop lock and drop it")..also rap music isnt fooling you.Its not like you thought you were going to hear a nice uplifting song on the radio and all of a sudden you hear bitches and hos...you know what you are listening to and as a human have the right to change the channel.. Second in almost all of the interviews of rappers that I have seen rappers tell you to go school,do something that involves the business end of music, they tell you that rap was there way out of the hood and away from hustling..(I've heard this from top rappers such as T.I. Jay-z, Snoop, eminem....among others)
Third rap promotes racial tenision?? ALL rap does not...actually i think alot of rap doesn't speak on racial issues. I'm thinking of the hottest songs of the year and..I dont remeber any racist undertones Maybe Young Jeezy's new song "white girl" but thats about a different type of white (songs with subjects about dealing.yep...cars...yep..money..yep...women..definitely but not racism so much)...But even if there are what do expect? They speak about what they know...if you are discriminated everyday by a white person hell..that might make you a bit biased.If every time you walk onto an elevator an old white lady clutches her purse (which has happened to my friends and I) that might make you a bit biased. Is it right nope...but it is understandable Also guess who the main buyers of rap concert tickets and the buyers of the the REAL rap CDs (not the bootleg versions like we do) are..white people..so if there saying "kill whitey" on a regular i think they at least would notice what they were buying

Basically rap is a product of its environment...it speaks on what it knows...It did not CAUSE the problems that we have in our communities..there are other reason's for that (ignorance, lack of jobs/money, lack of government help, lack of proper parenting....PROPER POLICE SUPPORT...)

Once again though you guys are missing the point..Why is it that I as a young african american CANNOT trust the police..and its not because of rap...

BTW--if you havent heard of at least half of the songs I have mentioned then you really dont know the genre...



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I just saw this video today ..Its spoken word/poetry..add a beat to it and you can consider it rap.
This young man Dahlak discusses the relationship between black people and police during one of those "routine checks" Please pay attention especially to the last line which I think really explains it all...

Originally posted by tom goose
I honestly dont know what its like for a black person in a black neighborhood. Ive heard contradicting stories about certain areas. some say they are warzones, some say they are family neighborhoods with bad elements connected with drugs......

Who gave these (white suburban) kids the Idea that it was cool to roll like that? what promoted this? whats keeping it going? Im not going to say that rap is keeping it going, it has already done its job. now we just sit back and deal with the consiquences.

That is so funny because it's true. I suppose someone who has never lived the life getting flooded with all of this information from a culture so separate from their own wouldn't necessarily know how to process the information. Then, the only way that they could try to understand and process the info was to go to the only source of black culture readily available in suburbia, cable TV.

This is where they find BET, and Snoop Dogg, and DMX, and Puffy.

So, you believe that Hip-Hop is detrimental to white culture.

"We Don't Get It!!! Burn It!!"

Well, it's happened before, so I can't say I'm surprised.

Originally posted by ImpliedChaos
" Please pay attention especially to the last line which I think really explains it all...

The last lines says what I have been saying all along, they are promoting violence by saying they are going to do the same thing to them.

At least that is how I interpreted it.

Too bad they cannot see there is a solution. Be nice to others and they will be nice to you. I know it has worked for me for almost 70 years, so I know it works.

Does the phrase "Do Unto others as you would have them do unto you" mean anything anymore?

Apparently not when it comes to rappers :shk:

[edit on 5/11/2007 by shots]

Originally posted by shots

Does the phrase "Do Unto others as you would have them do unto you" mean anything anymore?

Apparently not when it comes to rappers :shk:

Those damn rappers and their selfish ways...

Oh wait, what about
www.theludacrisfoundation.org... ?

healthehood.com...

www.looktothestars.org...

Selfish bastards

shots, once again, I ask you to research topics before you take absolute stances on them. It's really for your own benefit.

[edit on 11-5-2007 by Rasobasi420]

This topic title is quite silly if you ask me.
That this guy says this has nothing to do with him being a rapper, it has to do with him being an underdevelopped jerk.

Did that man say anything about violence...the last line meant that because we are profiled and harasses on a regular.. then we have no choose but to think all cops are bad...He even stated that there are good cops but they get overshadowed. In order to protect yourself you have to assume the worse because often times that is what you get or in other words "As long as they profile Us..We just gonna do the same to them". Now what part of that advocated violence against police.He also said that he he has these thoughts about the police NOT from rap music but from experiences he and his friends have gone through.. I mean if you cant cant correctly interpret and understand a simple clip of spoken word...then i guess i cant really expect you to correctly interpret it when you add a beat and it becomes rap music.There was ALOT more to that video then what you said
..You either did not pay attention or were only looking for what you wanted to hear.

---you know how it works?? really. So Louima somehow treated the police in such a way that resulted in him deserving to be sodomized and murdered right? And Amadou Diallo did something that resulted in him being shot 41 times right? They must have deserved it..right? This "we are the world" illusion may work for you because you are white...but it does not work 99% for the rest of us... Why dont you tell the police that..Instead of chastising the victims for being harrassed why not tell the perpetrators to treat us with respect?But I'm just overreacting



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