Rapper: I Wouldn't Help Police Catch A Serial Killer

Originally posted by sdrawkcab

There are...stupid opinions and sensible opinions. In this case, I'm sure yours' doesn't come anywhere near the latter...but ofcourse, that's just my opinion.

OH I would not be so sure about that

It looks like some very notable people also share my opinion on the lyrics, two presidential runners, the NAACP and several radio stations for so it can't be all that stupid.

I hope you're not using the opinion of presidential candidates to convince us that an idea isn't stupid. They haven't had the best track record in intelligence.

Anyway, I'll direct you to another article from the same source.

www.memphisrap.com...

Rap/Hip-Hop was birthed in the streets and until the streets clean up then don't expect rap/hip-hop to clean up.. so I also throw out a challenge and that is a challenge not to the rappers but to the parents. It all starts with the next generation and that is our kids.... we must love our kids, provide guidance to our kids, talk to our kids, listen to our kids, teach our kids and learn from our kids, then we will see a true change in the streets and that will bring a change in our everyday lives... including the songs we hear from rap/hip-hop genre and rappers. But not until the streets clean up will rap/hip-hop clean up.

Tat is, unless you believe that ghettos were nice and happy places until rap music came along, right shots?

^ Nice point. Also, I wonder if these same "smart" people as you would like them to be known think that rap is the "very base of the problem". Lol

I think you need to do more reading than you do. Or become a politician. You'll be good at that.

To put it simply shots you are ignorant. Ignorant of the foundation of hip-hop, the meaning of it, the listeners and the effects and Ignorant to the misdeeds of the Police. I love hip hop and I happen to like songs that say bitches and hos..but I know I am not a ho or a bitch so by merely listening to rap I am not going to be convinced otherwise..that is also the case with police brutality I dont need a song to tell me what to think about the police..police do a damn fine job of that themselves. you keep mentioning the old days...Yeah sure music had less profanity but guess what the police were still brutalizing us..Most of the police in the south back in your day were in the Klan (remember Mississippi Burning). and the music was quite clean back then.But for some reason you seem to think that Rappers are perpetuating an image that is false. Well where do you think rappers got the idea to not trust the police from??? Real life cases. You can talk all you want about how not alot of cops are convicted and most charges are alleged..but almost all charges against the Mafia was alleged and only a few stuck..does that make them any less guilty or the allegations any less untrue? No itr does not..Did the fact that members of the Mafia tended to be found guilty makle people think "well hey they must be nice people..let's not stereotype them" No The community knew the real deal..just as we do with the police.

To put it simply shots you are ignorant. Ignorant of the foundation of hip-hop, the meaning of it, the listeners and the effects and Ignorant to the misdeeds of the Police. I love hip hop and I happen to like songs that say bitches and hos..but I know I am not a ho or a bitch so by merely listening to rap I am not going to be convinced otherwise..that is also the case with police brutality I dont need a song to tell me what to think about the police..police do a damn fine job of that themselves. you keep mentioning the old days...Yeah sure music had less profanity but guess what the police were still brutalizing us..Most of the police in the south back in your day were in the Klan (remember Mississippi Burning). and the music was quite clean back then Also music may have been clean..But for some reason you seem to think that Rappers are perpetuating an image that is false. Well where do you think rappers got the idea to not trust the police from??? Real life cases. You can talk all you want about how not alot of cops are convicted and most charges are alleged..but almost all charges against the Mafia was alleged and only a few stuck..does that make them any less guilty or the allegations any less untrue? No it does not..Did the fact that members of the Mafia tended to be found guilty make people think "well hey they must be nice people..let's not stereotype them" No The community knew the real deal..just as we do with the police. You have also stated that because a few critics blame rap for the bad things in society that, that makes it true. Well I can find just as many if not more articles and opinions otherwise. But you will never understand what it is like to be black...and you will never understand what it is like to not be able to have 100% complete trust in an organization designed to serve and protect. I never expected you to agree with me..but I at least though you would be intelligent enough to understand..but I obviously was wrong. You keep talking in circles, misinterpreting what I have said, and forcing me to repeat myself..only for you to ignore valid points from myself and others. To put it simply you obviously dont know how to put yourself in someone's shoes. Having a few token black friends doesn't mean you understand all of black culture with regards to this subject..now if you had some friends from an inner city who grew up in an environment similar to these rappers we are discussing then maybe you would be a little bit more educated...but as of now ...you are still clueless.

ImpliedChaos No offense but you really need to take your mind off the past when we still had segregation and the KKK because if you do not think positive you will never make anything out of yourself.

As for only a few token black Friends Few too me means less then five BUZZZ wrong answer again you assume too many things with facts not in evidence as you did yesterday when estimating the numbers of blacks in North Dakota How does twenty plus sound most met while I was working and we see each once a month and they all send Xmas cards

Might I suggest you watch Judge Joe Brown or Judge Mathis a few times they say they came from what the call the hood and give some very good pointers from time to time to many African Americans and sometimes I think the get trough, but no one knows for sure.

In my opinion had rappers not made up such lousy songs/records this world would not be in the situation it is today especially minority areas. How you can stand there and say you like to use foul language is beyond me but then I was brought up when it was not allowed.




[edit on 5/8/2007 by shots]

Originally posted by shots
In my opinion had rappers not made up such lousy songs/records this world would not be in the situation it is today

Holy crap that was funny.

If it weren't for bad rap music, we'd all be sining and dancing in brotherhood. Congrats shots, you just made my signature.

Originally posted by Rasobasi420
If it weren't for bad rap music, we'd all be sining and dancing in brotherhood. Congrats shots, you just made my signature.

I neither said nor implied any such thing those were your words not mine. Stop twisting things to fit your Rap Agenda.

Just for the record I was implying it would be better not worse and you can quote me but I doubt you will

Cosign, Ras.

It is a KNOWN FACT that police didn't abuse citizens until rappers made songs about cops doing this. It is a KNOWN FACT that the US military wasn't screwing up foreign countries until rappers came along. It is a KNOWN FACT that the US government wasn't corrupt until rappers came along. It is a KNOWN FACT that crime didn't exist until rappers came along (don't believe the lies, the crime rate is NOT actually going down ). It is a KNOWN FACT that many cops weren't crooked until rappers pissed them off.

Face the facts, folks. This is how it is in Shotsland (a.k.a. Bizarro World).

No Truth, those are opinions, which means you don't have to show any evidence of it. You just have to say IMO, and you won't have to back any of it up.

Blame the worlds problems on one of the only forms of artistic expressions created, and maintained by modern day black people.

Originally posted by Rasobasi420
No Truth, those are opinions, which means you don't have to show any evidence of it. You just have to say IMO, and you won't have to back any of it up.

Blame the worlds problems on one of the only forms of artistic expressions created, and maintained by modern day black people.

I hear you, Ras, but I was being sarcastic. That may not have come across well, but that was the intent.

Besides, those really ARE facts. They are because shots said so.

I was being sarcastic too. The "facts" that I said were opinions were actually statments of fact, which should be followed up by evidence. Since shots never has any evidence, he always says IMO when making statements that should be backed up with evidence, so he doesn't have to provide any.

I dont think rap/pers are the problem, i think rap is (or at least was) social outcry against heavy social injusticies. One issue as i see it is there is a misconseption as to what service police are rendering to the public, Michael Parenti said it best: "The fuction of Police isnt to fight crime. The function of the Police is social control and protection of property." And frankly IMO, they serve that role very well.

i would like to add something that might give shots some credit.

to deny that rap music, particularily gangster rap music, is effecting our youth greatly, is blind and ignorant.

kids with otherwise no criminal record nor any reason to be involved in any crime, are being sucked into the gangster life just to look tough and to be able to talk tough just like the rappers. they are using their trust funds to by large quantiities of drugs in order to fit an image. The harder you are and the more crediblity you have. the cooler you are. another words it doesnt matter if you get shot, stabbed, or sent to the big house, it all ads to your credablity.

this music like rock and roll gets boys that are ugly and otherwise would never get laid the chance to be cool (follow the movement) and get with hot chicks. sounds simple but so is the mind of a teenage boy. So girls, stop promoting that crap, shaking your a%% and &%%t your only encouraging them.

the difference between rock n roll and rap, is rocks image that it was pulling youths towards was yes drugs, but also freedom and awarness.

I used to listen to rap, until i realized that there was nothing to learn from it. if i want to learn about the streets ill watch a documentry. if i want to sooth my mind and expand my thoughts... i listen to rock n roll.

Originally posted by InSpiteOf
I dont think rap/pers are the problem, i think rap is (or at least was) social outcry against heavy social injusticies. One issue as i see it is there is a misconseption as to what service police are rendering to the public, Michael Parenti said it best: "The fuction of Police isnt to fight crime. The function of the Police is social control and protection of property." And frankly IMO, they serve that role very well.

I think the Police action against certain neighborhoods has a lot to do with the conduct of groups of indaviduals within these "hoods."

maybe if they stoped shooting at each other and causing people to die from bullets and overdoses, the police would not need to show up.

"but its the CIA's fault, they brought the drugs here" blah blah blah.

nobody is forcing anybody. you wanna live violently, you are going to die violently. call it a cry for help all you want, but nobody is willing to help those that dont want to be helped.

Originally posted by tom goose
"but its the CIA's fault, they brought the drugs here" blah blah blah.

nobody is forcing anybody. you wanna live violently, you are going to die violently. call it a cry for help all you want, but nobody is willing to help those that dont want to be helped.

Thats partially right. the CIA and other National security agencies did bring drugs into the US, butdrugs like coke and heroin/opium were used by the "upper class" as recreational drugs for a long time. the african community wasnt scream "give us coc aine at affordable prices" The CIA dumped cheap coc aine and crack onto the ghetto community as a means of control and to break up their grass roots poltical movements. The thinking was, so long as the african american community was too busy shooting eachother with bullets, and themselves with needles, they wouldnt be able to organize and fight the system that was designed against them. And guess what, it worked.

Once again you are misinterpreting me.....first off I dont use foul language like you make it seem. It just so happens that the songs I like have foul language. I never use it around my mother or otherwise inappropriate situations. I don't cuss every 2 seconds..but when it is in my opinion appropriate I do use it..but that isnt all the time. You keep bringing up that I said there were 12 people in ND...Do you seriously think I meant that as an accurate estimate. I said 12 because given how few black people there are in the state there might as well be 12..b/c unless you are on an AFB you prob will never see them You seem to have an issue with a little philosophical concept called causality (cause and effect)
Rappers did not cause the bad image of the police...the police did. Why is that you seem to skate over the real issue..the real issue is NOT RAP but the POLICE.Every time I give you an example you either ignore it...say "well you are overreacting its just a stereotype" or talk in circles..so that tells me that every time a black man or woman is harrassed or harmed by the police. a communities outrage will be , to you at least, an overreaction and misrepresentation of the police. Instead of having saying that we need better officers and harsher punishment for those cops who have committed criminal acts (esp. the ones caught on tape..who are still found innocent..what is that about???) you seem to suggest that the end of rap will be the beginning of a "we are the world " type relationship with the police. Well what about all of the blacks harassed who arent particularly found of rap or police...where did they get the idea from..I know plenty of people who do not like what rap has became but who still do not trust the police. But you probably think they are pressured or brainwashed to believe this right??

Once again you mention a few token negros (even though i said if you KNEW meaning met in real life people who lived lives in the environment identical to rappers..but this is just another attempt to skate the issue)..Mathis and Joe Brown...I never really liked neither one of them simply for their "well if i made made everyone should" mentality when they both know damn well that it is not the case or that easy..so for me to speak on them would be biased an I'll move on. But
--To the above posts.Thank-you ...does Rick Ross ring a bell..(Not the Miami rapper but this one)

Tom goose you made nice points on your first reply on this page.

There's only one problem, there are times when shots speaks as if he is talking about Hip Hop music. Not some of it, not a minor portion of it, but Hip Hop music. You see the problem there?

I love Implied's 1st post on this page and her 2nd ^. She summed up everything I wanted to say...and quite well at that.

Also, you mentioned that some people choose the way they live Goose, and this is fact.

However, do you really believe that most black people choose to live the way they live? That's a rediculous assumption. If they did, the ones who(rappers who've made large sums of money) would still be living the way they used to.

Anyway, I think some of you people need to do research on what Hip Hop is and simply research Hip Hop/Rap before you come here making opinions. Because, quite frankly, some of the opinions I've read here are simply stupid. No one, not Ras', Implied, myself...no one said that all rappers preach positivity or that they all won't help the police. We were simply trying to let some of you understand why some rappers do what they do. But seeing that most of the people that have problems with what some rappers, or black people do are not black, and live in some sort of matrix where they control what happens, they take it upon themselves to tell us(the people who know certain things and have experienced certain things first hand) that we are talking rubbish.

I remember when I was on my way for an appointment on a holiday(in Trinidad, there is hardly any public transport on holidays) and I was running a tad bit late. I stopped a maxi taxi(public transport bus)...the taxi stopped, but before I could get in, the driver(who is of indian decent - and Trinidad has alot of race problems with Indos & Black, like America has with Blacks and Whites) locked the door and said to me..."Nah soldier, I doh drop allyu tar-baby nowhere" and drove off, with a taxi filled with Indians and a few light-skinned folks of mixed decent. Now, some of you may read the taxi-driver's comment and not understand it. Let me break it down...he said "No man, I do not pick up tar-babies(black people)." Although I'm in no way the colour of tar, maybe a little lighter than almond brown...my hair is what sold me out though...lol.

It took me about 15mins after that to get another maxi taxi. I arrived 20 minutes late for the appoinment. And keep in mind this is minor to what I and other people have experienced in their lives. Ofcourse an Indian(or in America's case, a white person) won't have these sort of problems to deal with...maybe sometimes, but not nearly as much as we(blacks) have to face on a nearly daily basis.

Anyway...let me get to my point, if you do not know what Hip Hop is about and where it came from, read up on it. If you don't know what it's like being in our shoes, don't assume we're lying about it. If you think that there are more negative rappers than positive, do some research on underground rap. If you ask why "lousy rap" always gets big air play, ask yourself why not give people want they want? If you think Hip Hop started an impure justice system...seek medical help. If you honestly believe most black/poor people choose to live the way they do, again...seek medical help.

Also, the appointment I had was to help children in an art class. However, the teacher did not tolerate late comings of 20mins very much and gave me a decent talk about punctuality. I, ofcourse did not give any reasons. I simply stated that it would not happen again. If he was any sterner, I may have been out of a part-time job...I certainly wouldn't have chose to be jobless. Although, some people prefer to be, but do not make a general statement about that.

[edit on 8-5-2007 by sdrawkcab]

Admittedly, those who bad mouth hip-hop are basing their entire opinion on their taste for the music. They don't like it, so they don't bother looking any further than the initial "distasteful" beats. Which means that they don't bother to look into the history, or to even look further than what they see on MTV and BET while channel surfing. Then they form opinions of entire segments of society based on the corporate BS that they fell for.

Simply put, the only ones bad mouthing the genre are the one's who know nothing of the genre.

I've also heard "I used to listen to Hip-Hop when I was younger" which usually means that they did it because of the popularity aspect, and not for the music itself. Which once again leads back to the MTV, BET version of Hip-Hop, which is never of any quality.

Someone mentioned Zappa, and expanding one's mind through Rock and Roll. Well, do they play Zappa on MTV? Does Linkin Park expand one's mind? I don't think so.

It looks to me like this is an issue of corporate segregation, and an attempt to separate the masses into easily controllable, and marketable groups. The only way to get past this separation is to truly understand what the other side is saying. Otherwise, we're just falling for the propaganda.

We must never forget that art is not a form of propaganda; it is a form of truth.
John F. Kennedy (1917 - 1963), October 26, 1963

Originally posted by Rasobasi420
Simply put, the only ones bad mouthing the genre are the one's who know nothing of the genre.

So are you saying everyone should educate their selves on any kind/types of music they like? I do not think so. Liking or disliking music has nothing to do with education at all. Why can't you get that through your head?

Your senese of hearing is like your taste buds. when you eat something either you like it or you don't. The same with your sense of smell either you like the smell or you do not. No Education required at all because it's one of the five human senses.

[edit on 5/10/2007 by shots]