Rapper: I Wouldn't Help Police Catch A Serial Killer

Originally posted by shots
One thing is for sure though you on the other hand come right out and do not even use a broad brush you are using a spray can by calling them all violent. :shk:
[edit on 5/5/2007 by shots]

That's because it's TRUE. Therefore, I'll say it again.

All cops are violent.

Using a Taser on someone is violent. Beating someone with a billy club is violent. Throwing a suspect to the ground or a car, tackling a suspect, or using submission locks on people is violent. Shooting someone is violent. Killing someone is violent.

Damn, it's not rocket surgery...

Originally posted by truthseeka
That's because it's TRUE. Therefore, I'll say it again.

All cops are violent.

Using a Taser on someone is violent. Beating someone with a billy club is violent. Throwing a suspect to the ground or a car, tackling a suspect, or using submission locks on people is violent. Shooting someone is violent. Killing someone is violent.

Damn, it's not rocket surgery...

Boy you are really showing your ignorance.

The fact is not all cops are violent, why you ask? Because not all cops carry tazers, not all cops carry billy clubs, Not all cops are on the streets some are working in an office. Your last one is really a hoot though obviously you are not aware that some officers work the force for 25 30 years and never fire their guns other then on the pratice range. But you can live in your 'hey all cops are violent world if you want" but not me. DUH



[edit on 5/5/2007 by shots]

I said violent, not bad.

Do all the pussyfooting that you want, cops will still be violent. And many people still won't trust them. And many people still won't help them do a thing.

My Opinion

Buddies showing his ignorance? LOL he must be ignorant of Bizzaro world rules.

And I find it hard to beleive that Police have never fired their guns except for a target range but I guess you never know some may not have.

But have fun in Bizzaro world where the Cops are all saints and candy flows from rivers.

LOL

Originally posted by truthseeka
And many people still won't trust them. And many people still won't help them do a thing.

Yeah I know and unfortunately it is because of some bad rappers who promote violence with their music. :shk:

What a shame maybe if they changed their lyrics perhaps people would not be so hostile towards the cops/police.

Now go a head and insist their music is not doing it and I will refer you to the recent links were leading members of the black community agree with me and not you

Why the hell do you keep ignoring my point. I am wasting my time responding to you if you are not going to answer my questions. I asked you to address ALL of those points I gave and show me why i should trust the police 2nd Why cant you learn to read? You keep overgeneralizing mystatemnetss. I SAID not all cops were bad and evil. The ones that are taint the image of cops. The ones that arent choose to IGNORE OR OVERLOOK the indisgressions of their partners. And the 2% that are completely innocent there are too few of them to make a diference. That is saying that all cops are evil. PLEASE ADDRESS the blue wall of silence that I have mentioned.

Also you seem to be ignoring my points that rap is a reflection of society. Can you prove to me that rappers started saying cops were bad first and that is what convinced people not to like cops? (not the actually misdeeds of the men in blue themselves of course)I would like to see you try

Dont say that the north wasnt as bad as the south. They didnt have Jim Crow laws but it was segregated and just as racist. My own mother was chased by white people with baseball bats in NYC on a regular when they tried to bus some of the black kids to the white schools.did the cops help??NO


ALSO

violent1 [ˈvaiələnt] adjective
having, using, or showing, great force

Cops have to be violet..just like boxers are violent. They are not all EVIL but they are violent. I dont see how you cant agree with truthseeka's point

Originally posted by shots



No need to do that I can go to Racine right into its worst area and I am not afraid at all. I come out untouched several times a year. The people are rather nice I might add and they all do not complain like you and others.

Checking www.bestplaces.net...
and compare Racine to Gainsville in Florida and you will find they are comparable cities statistically.

First off go to the eastside of gainesville, most of gville is the college so. Plus The police here treat black people (even students) alot more differently then the white ones. I see it everyday. But hey I've only been here or 9 months so I'd rather speak on where I was born and raised.Im from Jacksonville (sadly the murder capital of florida) you wont make it out alive if you dont know what you are doing...and if you do have problems I guaruntee the police wont help (well then again if your white you'll do fine with regards to the cops)



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[edit on 5/5/2007 by ImpliedChaos]

Originally posted by ImpliedChaos
Dont say that the north wasnt as bad as the south. They didnt have Jim Crow laws but it was segregated and just as racist. My own mother was chased by white people with baseball bats in NYC on a regular when they tried to bus some of the black kids to the white schools.did the cops help??NO

When I made that statement I was talking where I live not NYC which is in the Northern part of the US. Midwest to be specific and if you check history books you might just find that Milwaukee was one of the first cities where the Mayor Invited African Americans to come and work and they were accepted within the community very well I might add. Sure Milwaukee has its problems but nothing like the way you are making it sound so I think it might be you that is generalizing not me.


As for your other comments most of it to me is you blowing it out of proportion I stated it once I will state it again you are blowing the blue wall of silence out of proportion. End of story.

Originally posted by shots
Yeah I know and unfortunately it is because of some bad rappers who promote violence with their music. :shk:

Nah. It's more likely the jackboot thugs in blue who harass, shoot, beat, and kill people. The Headbustas, as Trillville would say (rap reference you will NEVER get )

What a shame maybe if they changed their lyrics perhaps people would not be so hostile towards the cops/police.

More of those issues with logical thought that Ras touched on.:shk:

Let's take a trip down memory lane, to the "good ol days," as you say. Back then, cops didn't give a damn about cracking black people's head, even if on camera. Even civil rights activists such as John Lewis got their heads cracked, if the dogs and fire hoses didn't get them first (they busted Lewis open during the March on Selma).

If the cops weren't beating/killing black people for seeking human rights, they were doing it in cahoots with the terrorists in white (many cops wore the hood and the badge ). Needless to say, I would be hostile to police if they sicced dogs on me and beat me with billy clubs; hell, only a FOOL would love police who did this.

And guess what, shots? Gangsta rap was UNHEARD OF then! Hell, rap in general didn't exist. Oh, but it wasn't the COPS who caused this mistrust; those damn rappers got in a time machine and started selling albums to people in the 50s and 60s.

Now go a head and insist their music is not doing it and I will refer you to the recent links were leading members of the black community agree with me and not you

Typical type of response from many white people. Using the words of one or a few to represent the ENTIRE race. Why does this NEVER happen to the white race?: Rhetorical question; I already know why.

Btw, send me a postcard from Bizarro world.

Actually I thought you said the north which to means the north east. That is why I made a reference to New York., I was not generalizing Milwauki. Fact remains that ALL OVER THE COUNTRY. We were segrated. It may not have been legal but it happened.But since you want to focus on Milwauki and you think that it is so good and great what about Frank Jude, who was nearly killed in October 2004 when he was beaten at a party by a group of off-duty police officers Aquittal by all white jury or how about Ernest Lacy, who died in police custody in 1981 or Mario Mallett in 2002 wait I will even go back to the 50's just for you:what about Daniel Bell who was shot to death by police in 1958 Link
Now those are just the cases that got attention..what about the others..the unknowns...Even just 1 or 2 of these cases would make me not trust those police..But hey Milwauki has its problems and of course I'm just blowing it out of proportion right?

Why cant you believe that it is the actions of the POLICE not RAPPERS that is causing us to feel this way? I know why It doesnt effect you and therefore it is easer for you t swallow that we are just imagining this all.

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Originally posted by ImpliedChaos
Why cant you believe that it is the actions of the POLICE not RAPPERS that is causing us to feel this way? I know why It doesnt effect you and therefore it is easer for you t swallow that we are just imagining this all.

Why can't I believe it. Very simple I have several Black/AF friends and we have been talking about it this past thursday and they mentioned that they thought if the rappers would stop speading this kind of filth this would not be happening thas why. Now these are no kids I am talking about these are fellow retirees who I worked with for over 30 years who I meet with once a month. We met on Thursday and I brought it up just to see what they thought.





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I find it interesting that after all that i posted...that was the only thing you choose to comment on ok.So because you have a few black friends who say this...that means that they speak for all of us right? Not to discredit them (I dont know who they are or what they have been through) but have they lived in areas where the police harass them or they are able to witness this? Or are they one of the few lucky ones that live in a 'we are the world' type of community.?

Originally posted by ImpliedChaos
I find it interesting that after all that i posted...that was the only thing you choose to comment on

ok.So because you have a few black friends who say this...that means that they speak for all of us right? Not to discredit them (I dont know who they are or what they have been through) but have they lived in areas where the police harass them or they are able to witness this? Or are they one of the few lucky ones that live in a 'we are the world' type of community.?

Excuse me I had addressed your other points in other posts and did not care to repeat myself. I told you many many times yes things were bad very bad and yes there was segregation in past, yes there were killings, so lets let it at that an get to the issues.

Now I will address the part, which I intentionally left off because we had company drop over thus I had no time to answer, so here goes.

Why cant you believe that it is the actions of the POLICE not RAPPERS that is causing us to feel this way? I know why It doesnt effect you and therefore it is easer for you t swallow that we are just imagining this all.

Why can't I believe that it is the Actions of the Police and not Rappers?

Because, I believe in the power of suggestion, that is why. This is just what the rappers are sending in their music by saying kill cops or cops are bad, evil, etc repeatedly, pretty soon people start believing it as fact. Almost everything in life comes from the power of suggestions so let us look at a few actions of a few people that have influenced our life's.

DB Cooper High Jacked the first Airplane and several others copied him..

Then we had one school shooting of one or two people followed by mass murders. Columbine and VT, come to mind.

Just last week a young man in the 12th grade took the game Counter strike and modified one of the skins to look identical to his own school, he was arrested for fear he might turn out like the shooters at columbine and VT

The US Army put out a video game about war and Al Qaeda groups copied many of the tactics.

Those were just a few ideas that came to mind. See what the power of suggestion can do and before you say no, it cannot; remember more then likely the first time any one heard about an event was on a TV or Radio, friend followed by a newspaper.

I realize you do not want to admit it but rappers have brainwashed you that all police are violent and evil. Heck for all anyone knows they may be part of the NOW and their agenda to take over the world

Originally posted by shots

I realize you do not want to admit it but rappers have brainwashed you that all police are violent and evil. Heck for all anyone knows they may be part of the NOW and their agenda to take over the world

Are you joking? Seriously...you have to be joking! Do me a, and yourself a favour...next time you make a point about something you know nothing about, use a few words like "some", "few"...etc.

I, and others have already mentioned that not all rap music is what you think it is. As a matter of fact, most of the underground rappers do rap about positive things. If they happen to say a few bad things about the bad police, can you blame them?

You are also saying that Implied's views of the police was inspired by rap music. I highly doubt that! Actually, some people(people who have no idea hwo the real world is & force themselves to think that they know how it is) do take what some rappers say and make decisions based upon them. Therefore, some people may say that some police are bad because they heard it in a song. Now, does this make that a lie, because they heard it in a song. The point remains the same, it doesn't matter where they heard it, it's true. Just like you have admitted that some cops are bad, and some are good...some rappers bring positivity and others bring negativity. What's funny is that the ones who preach positivity almost always mention negative things(please move out of bizarro world and enter reality shots).

I have stated, and even quoted some of the positive things rappers have said. You cannot say "rappers preach violence"...say some rappers preach violence. Just like I can't say cops are bad. I have to say some cops are bad.

I do not even think that you believe what you speak. I think you have a problem with certain people and that's what's important to you. Not if you're right or wrong, but that certain people should not be doing certain things. If you truly think what you're saying makes sense, you stupid.

I'm not going to sugar coat it...if you honestly believe sense is coming out of your mouth...you have no sense to begin with.

You are a waste of time(I'm sure Implied knows this lol) and I will only step into this debate if and when I see necessary.

As a matter of fact...if rappers are bad, cops are bad. Whenever you decide to let some rappers be good rappers with good messages...I'll decide that some cops are good cops, doing good duties and are not corrupt and actually live to uphold the law no matter who or what's the issue. But seeing that you will never admit that some rappers are righteous(whatever the word means to you), I will never think some cops are good. And I'm right to think that, just as you are right to think whatever nonsense you think!

We're equal now(Does being equal bother you though?)

Originally posted by sdrawkcab

Are you joking? Seriously...you have to be joking! Do me a, and yoursela favour...next time you make a point about something you know nothing about, use a few words like "some", "few"...etc.

Why should I Truthseeka said cops were all violent. What goes around comes around

Read it right here

Now if you have a problem with the use of all take it up with him he used it first not me.

[edit on 5/6/2007 by shots]

And notice you COMPLETELY IGNORED my point about people not trusting cops long before rap even existed. I'd like to say I didn't expect that, but that would be a damn lie.

And even now, as I bring this up again, you'll probably ignore it.

Truth hurts, I understand.

I am a Russian. I rap, so now a few members of ATS gonna hate me right? They said they hate rappers. So they don't care what kind of person I am, they care that I like to do a certain form of music that I like. Oh man..........


Now, I have my own rules. They are the rules I live by. They are positive. I've gotten well through life following them. One thing I don't do is tell. I mind my own damn bussiness, I don't get into others bussiness. Nobody has a right to get into others' bussiness. If I knew a killer lived next to me and he killed someone, I would personally kill him. That is how it should be done. When a person does something, he must be answered in return. Don't do onto others what you wouldn't want done onto yourself. People should have the right to remain quiet about anything, especially when its not their bussiness.

Rap is very different. You can say you hate it, good, hate it then, But don't bash it all day or the people who take the hard time to create this. People are out their doing their thing, don't hate on them. Not all rap is negative, stop stereotyping.

And rap is not just snaps and kicks, it has music, too. Each song is different. Some have alot of music, some don't. I like it all the same, but no one is forcing you to love it.

As for cops, the way I grew up, and the way it seems to be, you can't rely on cops. If a killer is right at your door, he won't wait for you to go pick up the phone call the cops, and wait for them, he will shoot you down unless you shoot him down first.

ATS's message is magic-Deny Ignorance

And gotta give some of the rappers a break, they went through alot, they let others know what they went through, and the reality of life, and they rap about positive things, too

Originally posted by truthseeka
And notice you COMPLETELY IGNORED my point about people not trusting cops long before rap even existed. I'd like to say I didn't expect that, but that would be a damn lie.

And even now, as I bring this up again, you'll probably ignore it.

Truth hurts, I understand.

No I will not ignore it. You are the one who said all cops are violent and they clearly are not they can't be it is impossible. Take a look at the demographics of North Dakota once. You will find what you are claiming is impossible. You can travel 10 at times 20 miles between houses and they might get one or two calls a year complaining about Mrs Reilly's cow getting out or other minor problems along with traffic stops , There are no violent crimes in those ares only in the cities ergo the police in those area are not violent because they can't be there are no calls DUH


As for people not trusting cops, hell I could have told you that 50 years ago had you asked. My point is not all people distrust the police and not all people thing they are violent, well that is with the exception of you and a few others :shk:

Originally posted by shots
No I will not ignore it. You are the one who said all cops are violent and they clearly are not they can't be it is impossible. Take a look at the demographics of North Dakota once. You will find what you are claiming is impossible. You can travel 10 at times 20 miles between houses and they might get one or two calls a year complaining about Mrs Reilly's cow getting out or other minor problems along with traffic stops , There are no violent crimes in those ares only in the cities ergo the police in those area are not violent because they can't be there are no calls DUH

North Dakota?



No one's worried about North Dakota. Half of America can't even find it on a map. So what?

As for people not trusting cops, hell I could have told you that 50 years ago had you asked. My point is not all people distrust the police and not all people thing they are violent, well that is with the exception of you and a few others :shk:

Look at that backpedal.

How come you've backed off from the "rap makes people mistrust cops" schtick? I still stand by my statement about the violent nature of cops, but you all of a sudden want to change the subject. No one said everyone doesn't trust cops, and no one said all people think cops are violent.

This is quite entertaining. You started this thread talking about music you know nothing about, and you throw out laughable claims with no merit. Then, when people use REAL logic to show you are wrong, you...what was that thing Ras said? Something about changing the subject.

Now, I DEMAND you address my point that rap cannot explain why people haven't trusted cops for decades. If not, retract the statement that rap music makes people mistrust cops.

Russian soldier, you are on point. Your penchant for rap still puzzles me a bit, but come to think of it, my brother wanted to be Russian for a while. Ivan Drago from Rocky IV...

Originally posted by truthseeka

Russian soldier, you are on point. Your penchant for rap still puzzles me a bit, but come to think of it, my brother wanted to be Russian for a while. Ivan Drago from Rocky IV...

????? I don't get that

Yeah, alot of Russians like rap. We got alot of rap there, I know a few myself

Originally posted by truthseeka


North Dakota?

No one's worried about North Dakota. Half of America can't even find it on a map.

So what?

It proved a point there is no crime or little if any in rhe state, which makes your and implied/s theory that all cops are violent wrong thats why.

And no I did no back peddling at all, unlike Implied I have admitted all along there were some bad cops yet proclaimed all were not violent he on the other hand did.