Rapper: I Wouldn't Help Police Catch A Serial Killer

Then I suggest you make a complaint shots.

i think they get too wrapped up in where theyre from, they sing about drugs, bustin a cap with my "nine" etc, but when they make money they continue on the same path anyway - they dont learn from their mistakes and in 15 yrs when theyre back to being a no-named nobody they'll sell whats left of that million dollar mansion so they can get some more drugs, guns and hoe's to continue flushing their life down the dunny.

so by talking up guns, drugs and voilence and never giving something back to those hood's to improve the situation they are just another person milking as much as they can from a bad situation.

of course most of that harlem/bronx talk in that down and out style of music is just "talk it up kings" anyway, trying to big note themselves to make a quick buck before they slip back into the gutters with a crack pipe in one hand and their nine in the other.

these guys below come from a rough part of Adelaide, south australia but they dont sing about shooting up drugs AND shooting people.

hilighted some lyrics because this song really hits the truth about this type of music as many probably see it.

1979 (by Hilltop Hoods)

Intro:
Know what I’m sayin’…In 1979...
I was a 2 year old kid from Adelaide...
I wasn't a performer...
It seems to me that in 1999 Hip Hop's a business...
In 1979 it was a culture... And I miss it…

Verse 1:
Suffa:
You’re so fake its plain to see who you truly are,
looking less like a b-boy, more like a movie star,
forget the funk and go hook up those disco breaks,
sit down punk and take a look at what you make,
it’s not hip-hop, it’s something more sad, sick and seedy,
what’s Popping that Coochie got to do with graffiti?
And your R & B dance-steps what about finger-popping?
b-boy electric shocking, windmills, body rocking,
so body-body rock, body-body rock, I'll take ya back,
break your back, realize b-boys aren't faking that
funk that you've forgotten hoe,
how could you have gotten so
far gone, that you could never stop and go,
back to the roots, nineteen seventy nine,
birthplace of the scratch, birthplace of the rhyme,
you'll feel it in your spine like your first taste of wine,
we'll make it back; it'll just take some time

Chorus:
Suffa:
Remember Kangol hats, fat laces and lino mats,
kids spinning on their backs to the sugar hill wax,
now the sugar hills collapsed and the sweets turned sour,
moneys walking my culture through its darkest hour,
now I wanna take you back, walk on through time,
I was two years old in nineteen seventy nine,
but it’s a time that I miss; you ask what’s the difference,
Hip-hop was then a culture, now hip-hop's a business

Verse 2:
Suffa:
You started b-boying as a form of expression,
to channel youths stress and their aggression,
now through the suggestion of record companies
MC's are pumping these,
problems back into ya section, and isn’t it ironic?
but not the sort to make you laugh,
cuz MC’s are building futures by raping the past,
taking a glass of Chardonnay and putting it to your lips,
I'd rather take a razor blade and put it to my wrist
than sell records on the basis that I have to promote
sniffing and selling coke, toting guns and smoking dope,
you’re all weaving the rope that you'll hang yourself with
my only consolation is within the hip hop nation is
b-boy elements that can still get me open,
like Graff mags from Berlin, mix tapes from Oakland,
breakers from Whitsetty, plus anything from Tribe
and old school New York that’s still got the vibe


www.hilltophoods.com...

www.youtube.com... (official youtube channel)

not a huge fan, but some of their music is good and they dont sing the same whiney crap about drugs n guns all the time.
(nosebleed section, 1979, the sentinel - all good songs)


[edit on 2/5/07 by Obliv_au]

While we're talking lyrics, I guess it's time to show you people goofy on rap/hip hop why most of us like the genre.

Here are selected verses from a song by Fabolous. The song has great music with the lyrics (which NONE of you will ever hear ).

Fabolous - "Diamonds"

She liked my necklace so she started relaxin'
Now that's what the # I call a chain reaction!

They ain't got one problem with this
Square face watch look like Sponge Bob on the wrist

Beemin' through the tints when I'm sittin in the "Phenom"'
Oops! I mean Phantom, my words got tangled man
But this Tiger stripe watch, make ya bitch a Bengals fan

The wings on the chain, make a n**** fly like the wings on a plane
When you sittin in between em'

Wanna convince me love?
Secret Service me with some of that Lewinsky love

Sure, it's a flashy song, but look at the lyrical skills of Fabolous. But, y'all probably don't know what I'm saying...

I know exactly what you saying truth. I am a hip hop fan ever since the age of 8...I'm 19 now.

Now, get this, Fab wasn't rapping about anything of importance...but his lyrical skill, metaphors, word play is off the hook.

Rappers like Cassidy, J-Hood, even Jadakiss come along those lines when it comes to lyrical talent.

I'm sure some of the people who read that won't understand a thing that Fab has said. They may simply get that it rhymes...but there is more to it than that.

Artists like DMX I have alot of respect for. For those of you who've never owned a DMX album, you'll have no idea what I'm talking about. The songs that get played on the radio are what people want to hear. X has alot of deep, spritiual songs that will never get played on radio because of the fact that it doesn't sell. People don't wanna hear that.

shots mentioned it doesn't matter what century we're in, if they censored stuff(in office or anywhwere) all the time & implemented more strict laws, this will not be a problem now. shots, the point I keep making & what you seem to be missing is that people will not allow that. If you want riots and such because people are focring others of what to say all the time, by all means...go right ahead, that's if you like riots and burning buildings filled with burning people and such. I for one will be rioting.

And some of you fail to realize what Cam'ron said. Let me put it like this, I'm not gonna sugar coat it. If you were black and grew up in a neighbourhood filled with corrupt, greedy, mostly racial policemen, would you help the police in any way? I highly doubt that. It's easy for some of you to say you would, maybe because you have different circumstances...better circumstances even. Try to understand that.

"There is more to a song that jewelery and clothes
More to a n****s life that money and hoes
The game is alot bigger than you think you know
And if you think you know, I don't think you know" - DMX

"I stand for what I believe in
Even, if what I believe in stops me from breathing" - DMX

And as for the comment Obliv made, I have to disagree on one thing, most rappers(especially successful rappers) these days don't continue to do the things they used to. They still rap about it, because it generates large amounts of money. But most of these commercial rappers do not live the lives they used to. Some examples of that are 50 cent, Eminem, Dr. Dre, DMX, LL Cool J, J-Kwon, Mobb Deep, Mos Def, Talib Kweli, Jay-Z, Nas, Common...and the list goes on. Get your facts straight.

As for shots and others praising Russell Simmons for this new stand...



I bet y'all haven't seen him on Run's House, his brother's (Run from Run DMC) reality show. This guy cusses like a drunk sailor every time I see him on. How hypocritical of him to want to censor rap when he cusses all the time in real life, everyday experiences.

Originally posted by truthseeka
This guy cusses like a drunk sailor every time I see him on. How hypocritical of him to want to censor rap when he cusses all the time in real life, everyday experiences.

If that is the case he more then likely jumped on the bandwagon just for publicity. Until the news release frankly I had never heard of the man, so as you say he may very well be a hypocrite, but that will not change the fact that Sharpton and a few others also asked or alleged they wanted it to be censored. Hell for all anyone knows they may all be in it for free publicity.

Originally posted by truthseeka
This guy cusses like a drunk sailor every time I see him on. How hypocritical of him to want to censor rap when he cusses all the time in real life, everyday experiences.

If that is the case he more then likely jumped on the bandwagon just for publicity. Until the news release frankly I had never heard of the man, so as you say he may very well be a hypocrite, but that will not change the fact that Sharpton and a few others also asked or alleged they wanted it to be censored. Hell for all anyone knows they may all be in it for free publicity.

This is true about Run DMC(Who's Russell Simmons' son). They curse alot on the show and they think others shouldn't. Hypocrisy, or double standard? Either way it's not cutting it.

sdrawkcab - so your trying to tell me none of them have been busted for drugs or been in trouble with the cops since becoming big? oh man, that is a funny statement.

and as i pointed out, what have they done to improve the situation in poor neighbourhoods, besides using a bad situation to make money to improve their own situation?

if your saying they are now good little boys with halo above their head, then they have become the very thing they rap about when bitchin' about rich ppl and greed

[edit on 2/5/07 by Obliv_au]

[edit on 2/5/07 by Obliv_au]

Originally posted by shots


If that is the case he more then likely jumped on the bandwagon just for publicity. Until the news release frankly I had never heard of the man, so as you say he may very well be a hypocrite, but that will not change the fact that Sharpton and a few others also asked or alleged they wanted it to be censored. Hell for all anyone knows they may all be in it for free publicity.

You have never heard of Rev Run from RUN DMC or Russel Simmons? I m sorry but anyone who isnt at least familiar with his name really has no business commenting on hip-hop. Thats like me trying to bash the president but not knowing who Geroge washington is. You have to know the basics to understand the whole thing.IMO

Also alot rappers who are big and famous give alot of money to low income neighborhoods and such...The media chooses not to pick up on those stories because it doesnt follow the stereotype of rappers. 50 cent has donated to hiv charities. Eminem has given funds to battered african-american women in detroit and had a sneaker line in which proceeds went to charity. Point being ALOT of rappers give back to esp. to their neighborhoods and schools that they come from...but its just not news worthy

Originally posted by ImpliedChaos
I m sorry but anyone who isnt at least familiar with his name really has no business commenting on hip-hop.

And what make you an expert on peoples hearing and ears? One does not have to know the artists to determine if they like their music or not.

Originally posted by shots


And what make you an expert on peoples hearing and ears? One does not have to know the artists to determine if they like their music or not.

Like i said in the post with my example..you should know the basics. If said i did not know who George Washington was you would consider everything I said about any other current president irrelevent because i dont know the basic would you not?
The music is not meant for YOU so..YOU are not going to understand what it is about. If YOU do not like it..you are a big boy aren't you? Or do you need your life to be controlled/babysat by the government and FCC? There are alot of people who listen to this music and conduct themseles in a responsible manner. If you feel that you or your children cannot do so then or if you feel that the music is simply not your taste you are more than welcome to turn the channel/put a new cd in.

Originally posted by ImpliedChaos
Like i said in the post with my example. you should know the basics.

Sorry but your theory is all wet it is just like eating if you put something in your mouth either you like it or not, your TASTE buds tell you. In the case of music it is your ears that enters and what you hear that tell you (well technically it is your brain that tells yoiu but you get the drift). Wasn't it you who said if you do not like what's on the channel you should Change it?
Wall that is just what I do.

I would venture to say the vast majority of people never ever hear about many artists until they hear a song announced on a radio or TV for example. Now with that being the case how on earth are they going to know who the artist is or anything about them? Also keep in mind the average joe or mary smith do not read variety magazine or watch shows realating to stars just some do.

I am equally sure there types of music you do not like and when you change stations on a radio and hear it playing on a station you immediately tune to another station.

In the case of hip Hop or rap, all I have to do is hear the profanity or name-calling, profanity and it makes me sick. You see I was brought up where no one (well almost no one) ever used profanity because we were taught it was improper to use rude and vulgar language. Unfortunately, this is no longer the case for hip-hop and raps, as we know to them they are just considered normal words.





[edit on 5/3/2007 by shots]

Shots, they are just words. The only thing making them profane is your perception of them. If you I accept them as simply words, and it hasn't done me any harm. In fact, because of that , they roll of my back like nothing. If you're so offended by them wither

A) Don't let them get to you, and you'll be much happier,

or

B) don't listen. I know you already don't listen to it, but why make it so others can't listen either?

I know you're in favor of censorship from the below comment,

Originally posted by shots
Censorship will work though. If the FCC made the use of the words illegal on the air they could slap a hefty fine on the radio stations each time they played the song.

but if you're not listening, what would you care?

Some of the people on here argue the most rediculous points.

I do not think Implied is talking about what you hear & what you listen to. The point he is making is this: You(shots) come on here talking about something you have no real knowledge about, pointing out this and that, when you yourself are misinformed.

I'm sure if you knew the show Run's House and how they spoke to each other there, you would halt before you said a thing or 2, maybe change some things here and there.

Obliv, you missed the point a long time ago. Everyone gets traffic tickets, held for a bag of weed and such(well not everyone, but alot of people). I never said that rappers are perfect now, or even close to it. I said most of them do not live the lives they used to, and that is fact. Most of them live far from the lives they used to, even if they still do some wack stuff here and there. It is a small fraction of what they used to do when they didn't make it big as rappers. Compared to the life they lived in the past, what they're doing now can be considered great even. They have improved alot, in terms of their living standards, actions and motives.

Jay Z himself went to Africa and funded some state of the art, modern water pumps in certain places there where they had to walk a few miles to get water for the school. But of course, you would not know this. Remy Ma' gives back to her community and neighbourhood ALOT. Again, you would not know this.

Just like shots, you are here misinformed, possessing a lack of knowledge on the matter and you are making points that...are actually empty and pointless.

I cannot go and post my views on Opera. I can only say I do like this & I do like that about the songs themselves, because I know nothing of Opera; it's roots, how people that sing Opera live, what they practice, its' change(whether good or bad) and such.

I advise some of you to do your home work, then come here and make your points.

[edit on 3-5-2007 by sdrawkcab]

SHOTS its not about knowing some random hip hop artist. I dont expect you to know who Jibbs or MIMs are. BUT Run DMC is one of legends...They helped introduce hip-hop into the homes of million when they did the collaboration with Aerosmith....

Co-sign on all that sdrawkcab posted

[edit on 5/3/2007 by ImpliedChaos]

Originally posted by sdrawkcab
Just like shots, you are here misinformed, possessing a lack of knowledge on the matter and you are making points that...are actually empty and pointless.

Sorry but your ignorance is showing here. This is not about being informed/misinformed on anything. I do not need someone to tell me about music that is what I have hearing for, you know that is one of the human senses god gave us.

You either like it or dislike it it is as simple as that, in my case I dislike it because, I dislike their use of violent terms, profanity and when they call cops pigs and other things. They also slam their own by implying their girls are hos which they are not.

How you and several others can stand here and insist I am misinformed is beyond me. This is not about being infomed it is about one of the human senses and my moral beliefes which obviously are not the same as yours.

Originally posted by Rasobasi420


B) don't listen. I know you already don't listen to it, but why make it so others can't listen either?

Because I think it is causing a problem/problems within our society that is why. You might think it is cute to infer that the police are pigs while I do not. You might think it is OK for Hip Hop Rappers to call for the killing of Police while I think it is not free speech as some claim but promoting hatred between individuals.

As I said we still have laws that prohibit people from using profanity at work, resturants, bars nite clubs etc alll they need to do is put up signs and enforce the laws.

Originally posted by shots
Because I think it is causing a problem/problems within our society that is why. You might think it is cute to infer that the police are pigs while I do not. You might think it is OK for Hip Hop Rappers to call for the killing of Police while I think it is not free speech as some claim but promoting hatred between individuals.

Unfortunately for you shots, you have no evidence to back up that claim. Everything you've posted as evidence so far has been a fallacy.

I guess we've come full circle in this argument eh?

Originally posted by ImpliedChaos
..alot rappers who are big and famous give alot of money to low income neighborhoods and such...The media chooses not to pick up on those stories because it doesnt follow the stereotype of rappers. 50 cent has donated to hiv charities. Eminem has given funds to battered african-american women in detroit and had a sneaker line in which proceeds went to charity. Point being ALOT of rappers give back to esp. to their neighborhoods and schools that they come from...

And as these guys are in the business of making big money I just have to ask..are these gestures truely altruistic, or just a 'tax-deductable charitable donation'?

After all, it pays in many more record sales for your 'lower class' audience and fan-base to believe that you are true to your roots and 'keeping it real' if you are seen to be doing something for your home town, rather than just reaping the rewards but giving none back to the life you left behind, but still make money from.