Federal Officials: At Least 32 Dead After Virginia Tech University Shooting

What the heck is that supposed to mean? The shooter supposedly had it written on his arm in red ink.

investigators believe left an invective-filled note in his dorm room that included a rambling list of grievances and died with the words "Ismail Ax" in red ink on the inside of one of his arms.

And he had shown recent signs of violent, aberrant behavior, according to an investigative source, including setting a fire in a dorm room and allegedly stalking some women. A note believed to have been written by Cho was found in his dorm room that railed against "rich kids," "debauchery" and "deceitful charlatans" on campus.

Va. Tech shooter left note

Here's something I've been expecting to see.

Investigators believe that Cho at some point had been taking medication for depression.

[edit on 4/17/07 by makeitso]

Uh-oh

www.islamicity.com...

Ibrahim and Ismail kept on calling people to worship Allah. At that time there was no place built for the worship of Allah. Ibrahim wished there could be such a place where people would be in peace, and concentrate solely for the worship of Allah. His wish was answered when Allah ordered him to build the Sacred House, the Ka'bah. Ibrahim said to Ismail: "O Ismail, Allah has given me an order, will you help me execute it?" "Yes I will."

Taking an ax to the statues maybe?

[edit on 17-4-2007 by thisguyrighthere]

Theres also this about EnglishTags: here

ism AC NN
ismail Ax NN-NNP
ismeri Dm NNP-NNS

[edit on 17-4-2007 by thisguyrighthere]

Ismail ax

I think it's French. One of the classes the guy shot up was a French class. Maybe that was the teacher he was gunning for.

Peace

Originally posted by makeitso
If just one single person, (perhaps a prof), had been armed, they could possibly have stopped this thing cold, before so many people died. That is one good reason to have a gun to defend oneself.

Yes.. and the only way somebody else could have had a gun was by allowing a totally transparent gun-bearing law.
Which means every single person could carry a weapon..

Now how do you judge a responsible holder from a psychopath?
If it were that simple then this would not have happened.. not so often as it has in the last decade or so.
Would you be able to assure me that every single person (except for yourself) would never use that weapon in any other situation than an act of self-defence befitting gun usage??
No really..Would you?
Now I'm talking about a bunch of guys beating up a weak kid or bullying someone..Anyone could pull out their piece and lo.. you have a mini-massacre on your hands.
And I'm betting one every week if not more often.
You CANNOT guarantee that because you cannot pre-cog everyone's thought processes and no one can predict anyone's actions..

You see, its quite simple.. you're saying that 'even if one person had a gun...'
well that itself deduces that anyone could have one.
The problem is how/why was this guy allowed to buy a handgun??!
What was the justification?
So he could possibly save a massacre(of the likes he executed) from happening? Thats really twisted..

I feel there is no justification for any adults to be carrying weapons in an urban area where there is sufficient law enforcement..
This is not the wild west!







[edit on 17-4-2007 by Daedalus3]

Originally posted by soundofmurder
From that I would say that this guy is a pro, one hell of a marksman, if he was using 9mm and .22 caliber handguns, I would say he knew alot about bullet placement and how to move and shoot quickly.

From what some of the eyewitnesses said on the news, the guy was very methodical in his killing and did not look angry or nervous in any way.

- Why would the alleged gunman file off the serial numbers of both guns but leave the receipt on his person or among his belongings?

This too bothers me.
Did he intend to kill the supposed 'girlfriend' ( according the the domestic dispute angle ) and possibly get away with it? Thus making the other killings over and above his original plan.

- Are investigators still combing the campus for other gunmen?

From what the Police Chief stated, they have a person of interest involving the shooting, who knew the shooter. Not releasing any more details at current time.

- Did any officer fire his or her weapon at anytime during the event?

Police reports say no guns were fired by police, gunman was dead apoun locating the subject.

- Were the entrances and exits at Norris Hall locked with chains?

They reported ( via briefing ) that two doors had been changed, from the inside

-Was the alleged gunman caught on any of the school's security cameras?

I wondered this as well, seems the shooter would have had to have been caught on some sort of video surveilance

- Did he indeed return to his dorm room to re-arm, after the first shooting?

I thought they said he was from a different university and not a student of V-Tech.


More questions than answers unfortunately.

Thank you Grailkeeper.

It looks now that various sources are saying that the alleged gunman did indeed live on campus.

I just can't buy that some guy would freak out that his girlfriend is cheating on him and then kill 32 people and wound many more.

Also if he has two handguns, and is firing both guns at the same exact time, would the sound of the 9mm cover that of the .22?

It just seems weird that so many shots were fired, as to have the ER doctos say that they have not seen a victim with less than 3 bullet wounds,
if all of the victims, excluding the alleged gunman, were shot 3 times, thats about 130 rounds.

Now I see reports that his note was also signed Ismail Ax, not just the red ink on his arm. Perhaps some confusion in the reports? Dunno.

Also, probably nothing, but...

Registered through: GoDaddy.com, Inc. (www.godaddy.com...)
Domain Name: ISMAILAX.COM
Created on: 17-Apr-07
Expires on: 17-Apr-08

Expires today.
Wayback Machine doesn't have any saved pages for this site unfortunatly.

Originally posted by Muaddib

Originally posted by Daedalus3
How in blazes can someone compare drinving a car to possessing a weapon?

Both are tools which can be used to kill people....

You're kidding me aren't you?
A car is for CONVEYANCE!!
A gun is for...hmmm...well there's only one USE!!
There is absolutely no questio nof dual-use with a gun!

Originally posted by Daedalus3
Because criminals have guns, knives, sometimes they are bigger than their victims etc.....

Then your law enforcement, again gun control laws(how criminals get guns?)social psyche and sanity levels really suck..
Maybe you need to migrate elsewhere..where you can live with the enough faith in the fact that you won't be shot up by random people..
If somebody just wants to kill you for the hec of it(no personal grudge that you've brought upon yourself)then again what the hec is he doing on the streets?If he has a gun..where did he get it from?
I doubt there are sooo many psychos on the prowl, ppl you just want to pick off other nobodies because they're frustrated with themselves or something..
And if there are, then getting guns is not the answer, because if you can get them then the psychos can too..
Basically if there are too many psychos then you need to look for a better life.. and believe me, there are neighbourhoods on this planet where the number of raving lunatics is less..

... your social security, a background check is done over the phone and if you check out, you have no priors and you are a legal resident in the U.S. you can buy a weapon.

So if you've never committed a listed felony before, and are a legal resident then you can buy them? I don't think thats too hard..
Everybody has a first time for going pyschotic, and there's no screening that..

Originally posted by Daedalus3
Even foreign nationals can pick them up now?All it takes is a green card?
wtf?

Now that's a racist comment...


No it wasn't. I am not american.. not even caucasian..
Far from both..

He was a resident... there are residents who are in the military, and btw...most of them have automatic firearms....

And people in the military can use their firearms in roles suited to the military. I see no purpose of carrying them (other than the paradoxical arguement of self-protection) in civilian environments, if you're not law enforcement officers.

I was a U.S. resident when I joined the military.
[edit on 17-4-2007 by Muaddib]

That is not analogous to you possessing a firearm when your outside military premises and not operating in a military capacity.

Basically, Cho-Seung Hui did not need to carry a firearm..
Neither does any other law abiding citizen in a urban area where law enforcement is sufficient?
Or are you saying that the cops are not capable of keeping the criminals on the street to a minimal low?

Ah, perhaps this is something interesting. Anyone play Battlefield 2?

The words "Ismail Ax" were found inscribed on his arm in red ink, apparently a reference to his Xbox 360 gamertag. Friends said Cho would stay in his room and play Battlefield 2 for hours.

shooter identified

Originally posted by makeitso

Also, probably nothing, but...

Registered through: GoDaddy.com, Inc. (www.godaddy.com...)
Domain Name: ISMAILAX.COM
Created on: 17-Apr-07
Expires on: 17-Apr-08

Expires today.
Wayback Machine doesn't have any saved pages for this site unfortunatly.

That was registered today, it expires in one year. Stupid cyber-squatters.

Originally posted by Nemithesis

Originally posted by makeitso

Also, probably nothing, but...

Registered through: GoDaddy.com, Inc. (www.godaddy.com...)
Domain Name: ISMAILAX.COM
Created on: 17-Apr-07
Expires on: 17-Apr-08

Expires today.
Wayback Machine doesn't have any saved pages for this site unfortunatly.

That was registered today, it expires in one year. Stupid cyber-squatters.

My bad, thanks for pointing that out. Boy do I feel dumb!

Originally posted by makeitso
Registered through: GoDaddy.com, Inc. (www.godaddy.com...)
Domain Name: ISMAILAX.COM
Created on: 17-Apr-07
Expires on: 17-Apr-08

Looks like someone just created it when they heard about the writing on his arm. The person's probably a serious vinegar and water bag.

Peace

p.s. It actually expires next April.

[edit on 17-4-2007 by Dr Love]

Originally posted by Nemithesis
Say the next one runs around with a couple crossbows and a bucket of bolts, are we supposed to then ban crossbows?

Knives?
Large rocks?

The weapon is just a tool, removing it doesn't change the cause and effect.

The two largest acts of terrorist violence in this country (Oklahoma City & 9-11) were done with boxcutters and fertilizer - banning guns will do absolutely NOTHING to resolve situations like this. Those with the will to do so will always find a way to commit acts as heinous as this....

Originally posted by Daedalus3
How in blazes can someone compare drinving a car to possessing a weapon?
W

He has obviously never seen how people drive in southwest Virginia. 90% of em shouldn't be given a license to operate a pair of sneakers, muchless an automobile.

Originally posted by makeitso
Now I see reports that his note was also signed Ismail Ax, not just the red ink on his arm. Perhaps some confusion in the reports? Dunno.

Also, probably nothing, but...

Registered through: GoDaddy.com, Inc. (www.godaddy.com...)
Domain Name: ISMAILAX.COM
Created on: 17-Apr-07
Expires on: 17-Apr-08

Expires today.
Wayback Machine doesn't have any saved pages for this site unfortunatly.

You know, I was thinking about this guys name "Cho Seung-Hui" - thats probably his official name as given on the green card application, but usually, especially korean and chinese, shorten their given name and use sur names with last names. A friend of mine in the Navy's real first name is Hsing but can legally use Sam as his first name.

I wonder if we should be searching for info on this guy using just his last name without -Hui on the end, as that seems to me as a resonalbe assumption that someone would cut the "Hui" off their last name to make it simpler. This IS a common practice amoung foriegners in the states.

It could also explain the difficulties authorities are having on finding any information on this guy.

So, something like Cho Seung. What do you guys think?

UPDATE: Intelius Search

This is what I'm talking about - a Kim Seung in Centreville, VA the reported address of Cho. Its about half way down if you view the search results.

[edit on 17-4-2007 by zeeon]

okay, while the xbox game theory holds a ton of weight for the explanation of this mysterious word, i'd like to play devils advocate and conspiracy theorist at the same time...

IS = looks like 15
MAI = according to Wikipedia, this can mean MAY in many different languages.
LAX = Los Angeles Airport

so maybe he's forewarning us about an event on the 15th of May at LAX...

(disclaimer : i don't really feel this is the case, but i was racking my brain and thought that it may be something to play around with - we all know the abundance of 9\11 coincedences tend to be foolish)

Originally posted by Muaddib
I really do have to wonder why some people are still trying to use an event like this one to clamp down on American's rights to bear arms....

I am well aware that American people have their right to bear arms for kind of a Holy Right - but you have to understand, that this is kind of not throwing a very good light on them from the World's point of view. How many guns are there in American homes? How many gun stores are there on American streets? But why do events like this happen very often in American schools and campuses? There are plenty of similar schools in Europe, and students do not come and shoot down 30+ people, because they have gotten a bad lesson from the game of Love (as if that does not happen to EVERYONE living on this planet once or few times in their lives). But the problem is, that a student in America can go to the hardware store and buy himself a gun and start a shooting rampage - yet in Europe that is a bit trickier to do.

And what does say the famous Second Amendment to the United States Constitution?

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

So, do people of America need a "Well Regulated Militia" today to protect them from the Evil British Empire? Does "bear arms" or "keep and bear arms" mean the same now as it did in 1789? Who or what does the Amendment mean by the "Militia"? And does this amendment protect the PEOPLE or the STATE - since it is said, that a well regulated militia is being necessary to the security of the free State. What about the security of a campus? Or a high-school? Do guns make you feel more secure? To have the power to end a life in your hands? To be godlike? Well I do not like guns - and I do not like this kind of "laws" and this kind of violence in the culture of an entire Nation, who worships guns more then their Freedom of Speech.

Like another member said, put gun/knife screening stations in schools, don't try to use events like this to "take away the guns of all Americans because of a crazy killer"....

I know what you want to say - guns do not kill people; people kill people, right? Just another maniac on the streets. It could happen anywhere. But could it really? As I said before, there is a slightly bigger problem to get a gun in Europe, and jealous students have to deal with their problem in another way (if this was really the case of this shooting tragedy). I am sorry to tell you, but America was baptized in blood and guns and violence. It is the culture here to have a gun and to start teaching children to shoot with the age of 7 to eleven. You have to ask yourselves, if a gun at home makes you feel really more secure, or is it just a part of American culture and the cowboy way to solve problems, where guns and bullets mean more then letters and words. I think people should be more concerned, with what the current American government is doing with the FIRST amendment and other parts of the Constitution.

I am going to agree with the fact that he shouldn't have had a firearm.

But you comment about any other law abiding citizens? Come on be real!

Police are there after the fact to take reports, tape off a scene and hand it over to their CO. People need to protect themselves against criminals. I was a police officer for many years.

If one other person with a CCW, on campus had been carrying he wouldn't have gotten as far as he did.

He was shooting ducks in a barrel, so people need to know how to defend themselves and not run around screaming waiting for the police to show up everytime something happens.

You can't erase the fact the weapons technology is here and the fact that it is a multi-billion dollar industry.

Either everyone has them or no one and I know that the latter will never happen.

Originally posted by Daedalus3
Basically, Cho-Seung Hui did not need to carry a firearm..
Neither does any other law abiding citizen in a urban area where law enforcement is sufficient?
Or are you saying that the cops are not capable of keeping the criminals on the street to a minimal low?

[edit on 17-4-2007 by Realtruth]

Originally posted by makeitso
Ah, perhaps this is something interesting. Anyone play Battlefield 2?

I have begun to play this game recently....I wonder if I have played against him without knowing

People are reading way too much into his gamer tag though. It's a gamer tag for crying out loud, for the most part none of them make sense and they're really not supposed to. They're just supposed to sound "cool." So trying to make sense of it is more than likely useless.
He's probably had for years so I highly highly doubt it's some warning or code, lol

His writings will give us a better idea of his mindset and his possible motives.



$.02

[edit on 17-4-2007 by ThatsJustWeird]

I just did a Google on this "Ismail ax" and found a few site's about it.Here are 2 link's,it doesn't look good.


www.missionislam.com...


www.islamicity.com...

[edit on 17-4-2007 by Samblak]