Federal Officials: At Least 32 Dead After Virginia Tech University Shooting

More confirmation/information of the blog post about the ATF visiting the gunshop owner in Roanoke that I posted about last night.

John Markell, owner of Roanoke Firearms on Cove Road, said today that three agents from the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives visited his shop yesterday. One of the agents told him that the Glock 19 that Markell’s shop sold Cho about five weeks ago was used in the mass shooting.

Markell said he was not in the shop when Cho bought the gun but said nothing stood out about the purchase. Cho produced a Virginia driver’s license, a checkbook with a matching address and an immigration card. Cho was a resident alien from South Korea.

Cho paid $571 for the gun and a box of 50 9mm bullets, Markell said

www.roanoke.com...

I don't see what this obsession with the guns, where he bought them, why they exist, what bullets were used, what kind of gun it was, blah, blah....

What if this person or any person for that matter decided to mix up a batch of poison and put it in the cafeteria food he would have got the same death results or worse. And they may never have caught him or knew who it was.

The gun in this situation was only a tool of his madness and rage.

This person made a choice, let me repeat that, this person, individual made a choice what his implements of destruction and chaos were a choice that he made alone. Again, it good have been a number of items that cause death.

We need to really focus on what, how, and why he snapped?

Originally posted by makeitso
More confirmation/information of the blog post about the ATF visiting the gunshop owner in Roanoke that I posted about last night.

[edit on 17-4-2007 by Realtruth]

regarding an article on FOX, quite worrying



www.foxnews.com...

Don't want to seem unsympathetic etc..

but..

I read that part of the shooting took place at 7.15, and that was when everything started, it wasn't until 9.15 when the 'massacre' started. Why does a shooting take place two hours prior, yet nothing is done.

The second thing, the thing I've been trying to understand and run through my mind all day is that the kid lined up his classmates and shot them one by one. Sure I've not been in this situation, but you're pretty much faced with certain death if you stand there and do nothing, so I want to know why 30 people did nothing. He can't shoot 30 people at once, takes a split second to jump on him, one of your jump on him, the rest will follow. I just can't get it round my head why 30 people would sit/stand there and do nothing. Maybe they did do something, I'm just curious.

Nevertheless, a sad event.

Has anyone read these so called "plays"?

newsbloggers.aol.com...


Richard McBeef

Mr Brownstone


The band Guns N Roses is not going to be pleased.

It seems it would be pretty impossible to ban guns in your crazy country(No offence). I saw someone say that the 2nd amendment doesn't give all citizens the right to bear arms just the national gurad to prevent any government from becoming to oppresive?? any views on this??
Surely if your not gonna ban guns there should be severe restictions put on them nationwide. This should of happened after the 1st such event like this.

[edit] Nevermind Dulcimer posted it first.[/edit]



[edit on 4/17/07 by makeitso]

Originally posted by Peruvianmonk
It seems it would be pretty impossible to ban guns in your crazy country(No offence). I saw someone say that the 2nd amendment doesn't give all citizens the right to bear arms just the national gurad to prevent any government from becoming to oppresive?? any views on this??
Surely if your not gonna ban guns there should be severe restictions put on them nationwide. This should of happened after the 1st such event like this.

its a highly complicated and historic subject that is a huge issue in America.

I have learned that gun control is like the modern day slavery issue, if the government starts to introduce gun control some States may feel their rights are being denied. Gun laws in America differ from State to State (which i didn't know).

There would be a HUGE backlash if the government forced tougher gun control.

[edit on 17-4-2007 by infinite]

Originally posted by Peruvianmonk
It seems it would be pretty impossible to ban guns in your crazy country(No offence). I saw someone say that the 2nd amendment doesn't give all citizens the right to bear arms just the national gurad to prevent any government from becoming to oppresive?? any views on this??
Surely if your not gonna ban guns there should be severe restictions put on them nationwide. This should of happened after the 1st such event like this.

Maybe they should ban pilots or airplanes or people learning to fly airplanes cause of 9/11. Maybe we should never have any flights airborn again 'just incase'.

I understand that, but surely people will accept some controls if it means these events become less frequent!! Anyone can say oh if people want to get a gun they will get one but if you put some restrictions it might make them think twice if they fail the 1st time. Put it this way it won't make it any worse

Originally posted by shaunybaby
Don't want to seem unsympathetic etc..

but..

I read that part of the shooting took place at 7.15, and that was when everything started, it wasn't until 9.15 when the 'massacre' started. Why does a shooting take place two hours prior, yet nothing is done.

The second thing, the thing I've been trying to understand and run through my mind all day is that the kid lined up his classmates and shot them one by one. Sure I've not been in this situation, but you're pretty much faced with certain death if you stand there and do nothing, so I want to know why 30 people did nothing. He can't shoot 30 people at once, takes a split second to jump on him, one of your jump on him, the rest will follow. I just can't get it round my head why 30 people would sit/stand there and do nothing. Maybe they did do something, I'm just curious.

Nevertheless, a sad event.

If you actually go through and read everything you will learn that (1) the university and police originally thought it was a murder/suicide and restricted to that building... it wasn't until they searched the dorm room and didn't find a gun that they realized that they were wrong. True or not that is their story and they are sticking with it. (2) He went from room to room on the 2nd floor of Norris hall bursting into classrooms and shooting randomly. If you read the student accounts there was no lining kids up to be shot and several barricaded themselves in their rooms to keep him out.

Originally posted by Souljah

Originally posted by Muaddib
I really do have to wonder why some people are still trying to use an event like this one to clamp down on American's rights to bear arms....

I am well aware that American people have their right to bear arms for kind of a Holy Right - but you have to understand, that this is kind of not throwing a very good light on them from the World's point of view. How many guns are there in American homes? How many gun stores are there on American streets? But why do events like this happen very often in American schools and campuses?

This is the last time I'm going to say this. Guns don't kill people, people kill people.

On opening day of deer season in Michigan, there are more guns in the hands of people than there are guns in the entire US armed forces. No kidding!

Nobody is going to be taking the guns away so I don't see any reason whatsoever to continue with this namby pamby "unholy guns are killing people and MUST be eliminated" garbage. It's nonsense, it really is.

shaunybaby

About a zillion pages ago I was arguing this point. How does this guy kill 30 people with two guns while having to reload numerous times and nobody tries to save their life by attempting to subdue him? He's a little Asian guy for cryin' out loud!!!!

Did he load both guns at once and fire both at once? Did he holster one and fire the other? I'm a little perplexed at the whole thing myself.

Peace

Originally posted by Peruvianmonk
I understand that, but surely people will accept some controls if it means these events become less frequent!! Anyone can say oh if people want to get a gun they will get one but if you put some restrictions it might make them think twice if they fail the 1st time. Put it this way it won't make it any worse

After the Dublane thing, hand-guns were banned in the UK.

I think police still carry them, but as for everyday people, handguns are a no-no.

I think that's pretty sensible. A handgun has no use for hunting. Everyday Americans do not need a handgun.

As for all the give and take about gun control... point blank the only animal you go hunting for with pistols are the human animal. They are meant to harm, to kill and nothing more, they have no other value and no amount of spin will change that. The same is true of automatic and semi-automatic assult weapons. To claim that guns don't kill people, people kill people while simpliticly true makes guns, that have no other purpose than to kill, out as somehow innocent bystanders, which is of course patently absurd.

[edit on 17-4-2007 by grover]

Originally posted by grover
If you actually go through and read everything you will learn that (1) the university and police originally thought it was a murder/suicide and restricted to that building... it wasn't until they searched the dorm room and didn't find a gun that they realized that they were wrong.

Took them two hours to search a dorm room? I've seen cupboards bigger than dorm rooms. That's a pretty lame excuse. Quite frankly the police were slow. They have CWS (Chief-Wiggum-Syndrome).

He went from room to room on the 2nd floor of Norris hall bursting into classrooms and shooting randomly. If you read the student accounts there was no lining kids up to be shot and several barricaded themselves in their rooms to keep him out.

I read in the paper he had lined them up. There wouldn't be any student accounts of him lining them up because they'd be let's put it 'unable to give an account'.

yeah and I heard students being interviewed saying that he just burst into the rooms and started shooting randomly...so who do you believe? The newspaper or watching students who were there accounting what they witnessed?

Originally posted by Dr Love
shaunybaby

About a zillion pages ago I was arguing this point. How does this guy kill 30 people with two guns while having to reload numerous times and nobody tries to save their life by attempting to subdue him? He's a little Asian guy for cryin' out loud!!!!

Did he load both guns at once and fire both at once? Did he holster one and fire the other? I'm a little perplexed at the whole thing myself.

Peace

My thoughts exactly when I first read about the story.

'this is the last time I'm going to say this. Guns don't kill people, people kill people'-Nemetheis. I don't think people are talking about rifles they are not practical to kill people with. The problem is handguns which only use is too kill humans. People do kill people but it's a hell of a lot easier with a handgun, than a knife, poison,beating etc.

One other thing, I would think that chaining the doors from the inside would be considered premeditation. I don't think this was a spontaneous event.

On a conspiratorial angle, maybe the two hours between shootings were spent with his handlers who programmed him?

Peace