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Originally posted by millerman
Well I thought the whole point was that people wanted PROOF that he can vector in UFOs?
Originally posted by torsion
Originally posted by millerman
The real issue seems to be, nobody can get the ETs to actually get out of their crafts and talk to us.... (likely because they'd be making themselves way too vulnerable)
This contradicts other claims that Greer has made. He tell us he has been abducted by these 'aliens'. Therefore they have made direct contact with people and come out of their craft unless you want to invent a Star Trek 'beam me up' device). I suggest you stop relying on the Hidden Truth for any credible information as it only contains the incredible.
Originally posted by Majic
Point/Counterpoint
Originally posted by millerman
Well I thought the whole point was that people wanted PROOF that he can vector in UFOs?
No, the whole point is proving they exist and are of extraterrestrial origin.
After that, Dr. Greer could give saucer rides for a million bucks a head for all I care.
Originally posted by c3hamby
If Dr Greer is going to be discredited, the New Age argument is very weak.
Originally posted by tezzajw
millerman staunchly defends Greer and his ability to do the vectoring. millerman also presumes more than millerman knows when he makes so many assumptions as to why the aliens won't leave their craft.
If Greer can vector UFOs, then all that he has to do is to get ONE of them to make a low-level fly-by, through a main street of a town. Greer would know the time and place, as he would be the one doing the vectoring, so he could warn all of the local citizens that they will have ONE UFO skimming along their rooftops during daylight and to have their cameras ready to roll. The UFO would not need to land, nor would the aliens need to leave the 'security' of their craft.
Originally posted by c3hamby
I don't know what this discussion has to do with Dr Greer's publicist.
Originally posted by millerman
What if the ETs have safety issues, or legal/political issues, that Greer has NO control over? What if they refuse to touch down and show themselves in the middle of a city out in public, for whatever reason?
Originally posted by kroms33
Hey Millerman, sorry to jump in here... but what about this scenario:
The Shadow Government / MIC already is dealing with the ETs and has talked with them - and even perhaps has exchanged technology with them; perhaps our own government deals have a quota for them 'not touching down.' But that is speculation... since we really don't know anything that is really going on behind the scenes.
Also, I do know that you believe the aliens to be non-hostile. I noticed you sometimes throw Bill Coopers name into the mix - in his book "Behold a Pale Horse," he believes that many of the entities visiting us are malevolent.
So, perhaps that might be another reason for the aliens secrecy.
Originally posted by V Kaminski
Millerman. Yes, yes, yes and yes... what's Steven Macon Greer got that's well, new?
And he needs a McJob candidate for a Professional Publicist? What's that gonna do if as is maintained by many, that the media is corrupt? I'd be afraid of contracting a cancer for the efforts. LOL.
You can only repackage the same worn tales of others so many times - truth or not. He had his shot and sqaundered it. He has no data he's willing to dislcose that isn't the testimony of others... and it's from the last century. He'll do well with the spiritual crowd as has been demonstrated by so many "leaders" over time.
I've been interested in UFO since '68 and guys like Greer come and go and comeback over time... he's out of ammo and credibility till he finds fresh meat like you.
Originally posted by carnival_of_souls2047
When we arrived I saw a saucer hovering 1 metre off the ground with no physical means of support. I just looked at Stephen and he smiled that little smile as I realized he was right all along. I plan a trip back to the saucer again as soon as I am ready for my next session.
Originally posted by tezzajw
Did you photograph the saucer?
Did you see it in the real world, or just your mind's eye?
How many other people saw the saucer?
Why won't Greer let you experience this down the main street of your town so other, common people can see it too?
Originally posted by millerman
They start flying low in a big city and trying to touch down, and they get SHOT AT.
Because remember, many people are terrified of the unknown, and when they see a UFO flying low they PANIC. And when people are panicked, they start doing foolish and irrational things, like whipping out their shotguns and blasting away.....
Originally posted by carnival_of_souls2047
I am fresh meat ready to be taken in by my mentor, Dr. Stephen Greer who will teach me the ways of the enlightened........
He took my hand and pulled me in the direction of a desert.........
I just looked at Stephen and he smiled that little smile as I realized he was right all along.
Originally posted by millerman
You want to associate me with a "Heaven's Gate" cultist just because I try to give Greer the benefit of the doubt? You can kiss my arse!
[edit on 15-4-2007 by millerman]
Originally posted by Seeker PI
Cults are usually founded upon the premise that those involved are SPECIAL, that the rest of the world are to stupid to understand the truth, and that consequently the world is against them. Mighty forces are deployed in a David and Goliath type struggle to suppress the truth as dictated to the followers by the leaders. Does any of this sound familiar?