The Disclosure Project is looking for a Professional Publicist

Originally posted by kroms33
We want to see Greer levitating, and vectoring UFOs... (perhaps at the same time???)

A fantastic professional publicist would encourage Greer to do this. It would boost his sales and his worth as a cult leader.

Let's hope that Greer finds the right person to make this happen, so that we can all see it!

Originally posted by tezzajw

Originally posted by millerman
Common men on the street also have almost no real POWER to DO anything, unless, as I have said before, millions of us start striking and rioting and marching in the streets, "Give us free energy!!! End UFO secrecy!!!"

millerman, by hiring a professional publicist, Greer may learn that the man on the street does have power as an individual.

Sure, the power to get labelled a "Terrorist" and dragged off to a torture camp - oops did I say "torture camp"? I meant "prison camp"....

Greer is right to focus his efforts on people who matter, leaders, people who might actually have the power to do something. Sorry, but the opinions of people like you and kroms and torsion don't really matter in the grand scheme of things....

The only opinions that don't matter are Greer's. Especially when he makes claims of levitating and vectoring UFOs - without proof. How could any world leader take the man seriously?

I have no idea, but all these high-profile people sure do seem to!

Greer is now saying that MORE than one major country is stepping forward to attempt contact with Greer and CSETI....

So, we will see soon enough. But, if another year goes by and nothing happens, call me a goof.

Originally posted by millerman
Greer is now saying that MORE than one major country is stepping forward to attempt contact with Greer and CSETI....

Really? How did he manage that without a professional publicist? How do they attempt to contact Greer? Haven't they heard of email or telephone? Do they instead attempt to contact him through ESP, telepathy or vectored energy-anchors?

So, we will see soon enough. But, if another year goes by and nothing happens, call me a goof.

I won't call you names. I respect you, millerman.

Greer, however...

Originally posted by kroms33

Originally posted by millerman

Any footage I could possibly show you would just be immediately brushed off as a hoax or stunt or ILLUSION or magic trick, as was massively demonstrated with the five videos I did post!

So, in essence - what you are saying is that you actually believe that Blaine and Angel have mastered the technique of levitation using mind over matter?
Hmmm.

Isn't that what this whole argument has been about, the question of whether or not these sort of telekinetic or power-of-consciousness abilities are real and achievable?

Do I believe telekinesis and levitation are possible? Yes, I believe they are possible. To the extent that David Blaine and Criss Angel claim to be able to do them? I'm not sure......

The fact is that you have a programmed, conditioned response, such that you automatically assume all such things are stunts or ILLUSIONS or magic tricks. You can't accept the possibility of levitation even when it's staring you right in the face. I could show you 1000 more videos and it wouldn't make a lick of difference.....

No, if you showed Greer levitating in a yoga position under meditation it would prove that perhaps he is on to something -

Nope, it would be immediately brushed off as a hoax or trick or ILLUSION and people would keep right on ridiculing him. I think that was massively demonstrated from the reaction I got when I posted those five videos.....

but you didn't post anything of the sort - you posted well KNOWN ILLUSIONISTS,

SO WHAT? Magicians and ILLUSIONISTS aren't allowed to try to levitate for real, is that what you're saying?

where the tricks they perform can be reproduced. This Illusion is called "The Balducci Levitation," and if you google it - you will realize it is not real levitation.

Most definitively no, the Balducci Levitation is the trick where you stand so that people can't see the toes on one of your feet and then you push yourself up on those toes for a few seconds.

Did you even watch the Criss Angel videos? Criss Angel levitating TWO STORIES IN THE AIR from building to building, is most definitively NOT the Balducci Levitation.

Astounding, astounding ignorance.

The difference between someone "really" levitating, and someone "pretending" to levitate will be.... what, exactly?

It sure is astounding - but not on OUR end. You have no clue what the difference is really??? Nice.
The difference would be using MIND OVER MATTER to achieve the goal of levitation then using your FOOT in an optical illusion.

Well, you obviously didn't even watch the videos!

I actually specifically chose all five of those videos because in all five of them you can clearly see underneath BOTH feet, you can see BOTH FEET definitively lift up off the ground. They are NOT the Balducci Levitation.

Again, how is Criss Angel levitating two stories in the air, from building to building, using his FOOT in an optical illusion????

Please go actually watch all of the videos!

The guy in the fifth video-----but I guess he was just "pretending to levitate" too?

Um, YES HE WAS, and EVEN SHOWS YOU HOW TO DO THE Balducci Levitation METHOD - ILLUSION!!! NOT REAL.

The first five levitations in the fifth video are NOT the Balducci method. He even says "Now let me show you a DIFFERENT way to levitate that's much easier", and THEN he demonstrates the Balducci method.

In the first five levitations, you can CLEARLY see underneath both of his feet, and you can see both of his feet lift up off the floor.

Please explain to me what real levitation is going to look like, if the people in those five videos were just "pretending to levitate". I really want to find a video where someone is really levitating, but I don't know how to tell the difference between someone really levitating and someone "pretending to levitate"......

Well, if you are claiming that perhaps this is Greers form of levitation (illusion), then he is in the wrong field - he should be an illusionist instead of claiming he can actually levitate. Is that what you are saying? Greer uses the Balducci Levitation Method???

Great job evading the question!

I told you, I don't know how to tell the difference between someone really levitating and someone "pretending to levitate", especially if BOTH of their feet are way up off the ground! So please tell me!

You are all over the place - and it seems that you don't understand that there is the concept of MIND OVER MATTER and ILLUSION.

No I understand that very well, and I'm asking you, when I see a person hanging there in the air, with BOTH feet way up off the ground, how do I tell if its MIND OVER MATTER or ILLUSION? Please tell me as I really want to know!

Originally posted by millerman

Do I believe telekinesis and levitation are possible? Yes, I believe they are possible. To the extent that David Blaine and Criss Angel claim to be able to do them? I'm not sure......

Wow. They have never claimed to have those powers... Don't you know what an illusionist is? Do you know what an optical illusion is?

If you are in a desert and see something called an optical illusion that looks like water and you drink it - and its actually sand, but would you believe that it is actually water? Who are you trying to kid here? Blaine nor Angel have never made the claims you specify.

Nope, it would be immediately brushed off as a hoax or trick or ILLUSION and people would keep right on ridiculing him. I think that was massively demonstrated from the reaction I got when I posted those five videos.....

Well, yeah - according to your logic - it would be an illusion since you think illusions are real... which you almost admit above by claiming that you are not sure if Blaine or Angel are really levitating.

but you didn't post anything of the sort - you posted well KNOWN ILLUSIONISTS,

SO WHAT? Magicians and ILLUSIONISTS aren't allowed to try to levitate for real, is that what you're saying?

HAHAHAHAHAH! Now I know what I am dealing with. Illusionists levitating for real you say? and it is not an illusion? then they wouldn't be called an illusionist then would they? I don't know how much more I can take of this nonsensical trolling . Do us all a favor and look the word ILLUSION up in the dictionary.

Well, you obviously didn't even watch the videos!

I actually specifically chose all five of those videos because in all five of them you can clearly see underneath BOTH feet, you can see BOTH FEET definitively lift up off the ground. They are NOT the Balducci Levitation.

Again, how is Criss Angel levitating two stories in the air, from building to building, using his FOOT in an optical illusion????

Please go actually watch all of the videos!

Your problem is: you assume too much. I watched all the videos, but I know what the word illusion means. Unfortunately from your testimony in this thread, it seems you do not.

No I understand that very well, and I'm asking you, when I see a person hanging there in the air, with BOTH feet way up off the ground, how do I tell if its MIND OVER MATTER or ILLUSION? Please tell me as I really want to know!

Let me answer your question with a question: Do you actually believe David Copperfield made the statue of Liberty disappear from our plane of existence? They are called illusionists for a reason. You didn't answer my question when I asked you if you knew what an illusionist was... SO, now I suppose you do not and are ignorant on the subject matter. That is fine, but I wish you would do a bit more research before exerting all of your will power in an attempt to push your theories...
You can believe all you want that these people can do what you "see" them do, that is why they get paid to "ENTERTAIN" us.

This pretty much clarifies my thoughts about this subject (Greer).

He is "Entertaining" us... so, he is a failed illusionist. AND please LOOK THE WORD UP.

You can't be taken seriously if you don't understand the meanings and concepts behind words and professions.

Originally posted by kroms33

Originally posted by millerman

Common men on the street also have almost no real POWER to DO anything, unless, as I have said before, millions of us start striking and rioting and marching in the streets, "Give us free energy!!! End UFO secrecy!!!"

You actually don't even know now do you? Those millions of people would be murdered in the street, and the government would maintain control. Don't start spewing stuff you have no idea of... sorry, your little free energy riot would be crushed, even with 100 million people... you just don't understand.

LOL.

Yes, perhaps you are right, the government might just murder everyone.

Of course, murdering nearly 50% of its population would be utterly committing suicide as a country on SO many levels.....

Rioting is actually quite an effective tactic, observe the riots that happened in France when they tried to mess with the youth employment laws there...

The only problem is in getting all of America to mobilize on this issue, since it's kept out of MSM so effectively....

Originally posted by kroms33

Originally posted by millerman

Do I believe telekinesis and levitation are possible? Yes, I believe they are possible. To the extent that David Blaine and Criss Angel claim to be able to do them? I'm not sure......

Wow. They have never claimed to have those powers... Don't you know what an illusionist is? Do you know what an optical illusion is?

Actually, Criss Angel calls himself the "Mindfreak". So yes, he does claim that he does these things with his mind.

SO WHAT? Magicians and ILLUSIONISTS aren't allowed to try to levitate for real, is that what you're saying?

HAHAHAHAHAH! Now I know what I am dealing with. Illusionists levitating for real you say? and it is not an illusion? then they wouldn't be called an illusionist then would they?

I guess not...?? What's your point?

It's you and tezzajw that keep calling them ILLUSIONISTS.... usually they are called magicians.

I don't know how much more I can take of this nonsensical trolling .

HOW DARE YOU CALL ME A TROLL!!!

Mods! Mods!!! Kroms is engaging in namecalling and character assassination, shouldn't he receive some warns and lose some points? It's only fair, since I have received three warns for namecalling....

Do us all a favor and look the word ILLUSION up in the dictionary.

I know what ILLUSION means, but it's you and tezzajw that keep calling them ILLUSIONists; usually they are called magicians.

No I understand that very well, and I'm asking you, when I see a person hanging there in the air, with BOTH feet way up off the ground, how do I tell if its MIND OVER MATTER or ILLUSION? Please tell me as I really want to know!

Let me answer your question with a question:

NO, and quit trying to weasel your way out of answering the question!

ANSWER MY QUESTION.

When I see a person hanging there in the air, with BOTH FEET way up off the ground, and clearly not wearing any kind of harness or attached to a crane or anything like that.... HOW do I tell if it's MIND OVER MATTER or ILLUSION? WHAT does levitation due to MIND OVER MATTER look like, as opposed to levitation due to ILLUSION? What is the visual difference?

Please tell me as this is important and I really want to know!

I like the facts that you are all putting out to argue your points.

I could go without the constant quoting of nonsense, bickering, and name calling.

I think many of Greer's witnesses are valid, as well as some that are questionable. I will not refuse to listen to what the majority or the witnesses say. Their testimony points to a witnessed phenomenon referred to as UFOs. Whether people are seeing our craft or extraterrestrial craft, I would love to know more about it. It is being covered up at many levels. The coverup cannot be argued, it is the depth to which it occurs which is brought into question. Do the governments of the world research these UFOs? Yes. We can see that in government documentation. What we do not know for a fact is the extent to which these craft have been studied or reverse engineered. We do have witnesses that have come forward making these claims, but supporting documents have been tough to come by. The Majestic 12 documents have been some of the famous documents, but even documents are questionable. It is unfortunate, but necessary, that some real tangible evidence is brought forward. I do agree with what some of you have written regarding Greer's ability to call these craft in. There should be hours upon hours of footage from these incidents. Why isn't this being recorded and shown to help rally the people behind the cause? I see a great cause and many witnesses, now I want to see evidence. I want to see evidence that should not be that hard to obtain based on Greers claims.

Originally posted by millerman
So, we will see soon enough. But, if another year goes by and nothing happens, call me a goof.

Can you remind us of how many years CSETI/Disclosure has been active up to now with nothing happening?

Originally posted by torsion
Can you remind us of how many years CSETI/Disclosure has been active up to now with nothing happening?

That's not the point, torsion! Hahahaha!

They haven't been able to show us anything YET because they haven't had a publicist capable of doing so!

It's all going to change once they get this new, professional publicist on the payroll... let's expect big things from them. They've already made a huge leap forward posting pictures of their energy-moths.

Anyway, at the very worst, they can play the odds and eventually, when disclosure does happen - they'll take credit for it whether they have a good publicist or not.

Originally posted by millerman

I don't know how much more I can take of this nonsensical trolling .

HOW DARE YOU CALL ME A TROLL!!!

Mods! Mods!!! Kroms is engaging in namecalling and character assassination, shouldn't he receive some warns and lose some points? It's only fair, since I have received three warns for namecalling....

Wow, look at you. I did nothing of the sort. 'nonsensical trolling' means your kind of 'babbling on' about something that doesn't make any sense, and no - I never called you a name. KNOCK THIS STUFF OFF!

Everything you stated can be performed as an illusion by a MAGICIAN (which illusionist falls UNDER that category) by using mirrors, glass and thin wire.
I am surprised at the degree to which you believe things.

So, now you are suggesting that there is real Magic? As in Tinkerbell and Peter Pan? or Lord of the Rings Magic?
Perhaps Greer is one of these magicians? If so, perhaps he can pull a UFO out of his hat?

Originally posted by kroms33

Originally posted by millerman
HOW DARE YOU CALL ME A TROLL!!!

Mods! Mods!!! Kroms is engaging in namecalling and character assassination, shouldn't he receive some warns and lose some points? It's only fair, since I have received three warns for namecalling....

Wow, look at you. I did nothing of the sort. 'nonsensical trolling' means your kind of 'babbling on' about something that doesn't make any sense, and no - I never called you a name. KNOCK THIS STUFF OFF!

You are wrong, "trolling" is much much more than "babbling on" about something. Trolling means posting just to get attention and upset/aggravate people, it is ABUSE of a forum. How dare you call me a troll!

Everything you stated can be performed as an illusion by a MAGICIAN (which illusionist falls UNDER that category) by using mirrors, glass and thin wire.
I am surprised at the degree to which you believe things.

Explain precisely how Criss Angel levitated two stories in the air from one building to another, using only mirrors, glass and thin wire! Where were all these mirrors and glass set up?

If he was attached to something by a thin wire, how is it he didn't start swinging back and forth in a "pendulum" type effect? I have operated cranes in factories, whenever you have something suspended in the air by wires or ropes and you start moving it laterally, it starts swinging back and forth like a pendulum.....

Thus far you have completely failed to explain away ANY of these "ILLUSIONS". They are NOT the Balducci method as you can clearly see all the way underneath both of their feet in every single video. And you have utterly failed to explain how all of these "ILLUSIONS" are performed using only mirrors, glass and wire!

Also, to lift a man that weighs around 170-180lbs into the air takes a considerable amount of force, WHAT is generating that force in these videos? Thin wire?? An invisible crane? An invisible group of people pulling with all their might on a wire? If that's so, how is it his movement is so graceful and steady, why doesn't he start swinging back and forth like a pendulum?

You have utterly, utterly failed to explain away these levitations as "ILLUSIONS"....

Also, AGAIN you tried to WEASEL your way out of answering my question, this time by just deleting it completely and ridiculing me by talking about "Tinkerbell and Peter Pan" etc!

ANSWER MY QUESTION RIGHT NOW kroms, or you lose this completely.

When I see a person hanging there suspended in the air, with BOTH FEET way up off the ground, and clearly not wearing any kind of harness or attached to a crane or anything like that.... HOW do I tell if it's MIND OVER MATTER or ILLUSION? WHAT does levitation due to MIND OVER MATTER look like, as opposed to levitation due to ILLUSION? What is the visual difference?

Originally posted by millerman

ANSWER MY QUESTION RIGHT NOW kroms, or you lose this completely.

Wow, quite demanding aren't you?
Lose what? You have to be kidding everyone around here. It is like your in some kind of weird contest that you are trying to play.. hmmph.
Ok, how about this: Chris Angel explains HOW he does his minor levitation trick:

youtube.com...

I bet that isn't good enough for you though - they guy shows you how the optical illusion is done (since he is an illusionist), but I bet you still in some strange way believe the guy can actually float around above buildings...
Magicians won't reveal their really tough tricks - and that is why they are called MAGIC TRICKS - because they are TRICKING PEOPLE.

When I see a person hanging there suspended in the air, with BOTH FEET way up off the ground, and clearly not wearing any kind of harness or attached to a crane or anything like that.... HOW do I tell if it's MIND OVER MATTER or ILLUSION? WHAT does levitation due to MIND OVER MATTER look like, as opposed to levitation due to ILLUSION? What is the visual difference?

Look at the skyline and also the line on the building closely, Hopefully you'll figure it out. Also notice they don't go above a certain angle when shooting?
Hmmm. Anyhow...
Hey, believe what ever the heck you want - but since Chris Angel shows you that he really can't levitate without the use of some illusion (fake leg), then why wouldn't you believe that he is using some kind of aid to help him float around the building? Chris Angel and most of the world knows he can't levitate - but he gets paid to make it look like he can, just like Copperfield and Blaine. If you can't realize that through common sense - then yes, YOU WIN, because I am not going to argue with you about this silliness any longer. It's just common sense to most of us - but believe what you want and have fun. Perhaps Angel taught Greer the minor levitation trick - or perhaps Greer caught it on youtube? Weeeeeee!




[edit on 4/24/2007 by kroms33]

[edit on 4/24/2007 by kroms33]

Greer should consider hiring Criss Angel or David Blaine to be his professional publicist.

Greer would also have the advantage of being able to learn their illusions from them, which would come in handy the next time that he tries vectoring in moths.

Imagine that cult that Greer could build for himself with a professional publicist in charge! He's already got followers who believe in levitation over illusion - all that WITHOUT needing a professional publicist!

Originally posted by kroms33

Originally posted by millerman

ANSWER MY QUESTION RIGHT NOW kroms, or you lose this completely.

Wow, quite demanding aren't you?
Lose what? You have to be kidding everyone around here.

You don't speak for everyone around here, you only speak for yourself. Everyone else can think and decide for themselves. Claiming to speak for or represent everyone makes you look arrogant and pretentious.

Ok, how about this: Chris Angel explains HOW he does his minor levitation trick:

youtube.com...

Fine, but this doesn't explain how he did the building-to-building one, or the one where he levitated the woman....

I bet that isn't good enough for you though - they guy shows you how the optical illusion is done (since he is an illusionist), but I bet you still in some strange way believe the guy can actually float around above buildings...
Magicians won't reveal their really tough tricks - and that is why they are called MAGIC TRICKS - because they are TRICKING PEOPLE.

Look, it is guys like you and tezzajw who are always demanding proof of Greer's claim that he levitated - so what is the point of demanding proof of levitation if you're just going to immediately brush off any and all evidence of levitation as MAGIC TRICKS or ILLUSIONS?

How is ANYONE supposed to prove real genuine levitation, if it exists, if their evidence is immediately and automatically brushed aside as a MAGIC TRICK or ILLUSION? Do you not see that you are REFUSING to even consider the evidence that has been provided?

It's real easy to sit back and play skeptic and demand evidence, demand proof - and then refuse to even consider the evidence that is provided! And ridicule the person providing the evidence! ANYONE can do it, it only takes an IQ of Mud to do it....

But when I turn it around on you and demand that you prove that every single video is an ILLUSION, you fail utterly and completely. Big surprise.....

First you claim that they are all illusions because they are being done by Illusionists - completely circular and invalid logic.

Then you try to claim that they are all the Balducci method - even though in every single video you can see all the way underneath both of their feet.

Then you try to claim that these "ILLUSIONS" are simply being done with "mirrors, glass and thin wire" - but you fail completely and utterly to explain HOW they are using mirrors, glass and thin wire to create these ILLUSIONS.....

The bottom line is that you can't prove that all of these videos are ILLUSIONS, any more than I can prove that they are "mind over matter"!

Look at the skyline and also the line on the building closely, Hopefully you'll figure it out. Also notice they don't go above a certain angle when shooting?

What's that supposed to mean? I'm asking you to PROVE that it's an illusion, so you make this cryptic comment "hopefully you'll figure it out", as if you figured it out and have all the answers but you won't tell?

If you think you know how the "ILLUSION" is done - tell us!

If you're suggesting that there's actually a crane or helicopter or balloon or something directly above him that he's somehow being suspended from - why doesn't he start swinging back and forth like a pendulum? And where is the harness capable of properly supporting his weight? And why isn't the crane or helicopter or balloon casting a shadow on the ground?

Also - you STILL haven't answered my main question.

Put it this way: supposing a person really can levitate, like mind-over-matter levitation.... HOW could they provide evidence of it that doesn't get immediately written off as a MAGIC TRICK or ILLUSION? What would real, genuine mind-over-matter levitation look like, how would you be able to tell it apart from these MAGIC TRICK levitations, these ILLUSIONS?

Kroms.... you have completely and utterly failed to prove your claim that every single one of these levitations is an illusion.

Not only that, but you will absolutely NEVER be able to answer my question:

WHAT would real genuine mind-over-matter levitation look like, HOW would we be able to distinguish it from "magic trick" levitation, and HOW would a person who can really levitate be able to provide evidence of it so that it doesn't immediately get written off as a magic trick or illusion?

Originally posted by millerman
Look, it is guys like you and tezzajw who are always demanding proof of Greer's claim that he levitated - so what is the point of demanding proof of levitation if you're just going to immediately brush off any and all evidence of levitation as MAGIC TRICKS or ILLUSIONS?

Yes, I demand proof of Greer levitating. He made the claim and to support that claim, he should prove it. Otherwise his claim is BUNK.

Greer is duping people to believe his claims and defrauding them of their money. He is also duping them by displaying pictures of moths on his website.

With the aid of a professional publicist, Greer may receive the advice that he needs to prove his claims, otherwise he will continue to be viewed as the defrauding charlatan that he is.

Originally posted by tezzajw

Imagine that cult that Greer could build for himself with a professional publicist in charge! He's already got followers who believe in levitation over illusion -

You don't get it tezzajw.

Believing it's all illusions is the Safe and Easy way. It's what you are programmed and conditioned to believe, it's what "everyone" believes, and it won't get you badgered and mocked and ridiculed.

So, congratulations. You took the Safe and Easy route, the route that "everyone" takes, and you avoided getting ridiculed. Good for you!

Trying to establish something that people are programmed to NOT believe, like vectoring UFOs, is much harder, and takes way more courage. It isn't Easy, it isn't Safe, and Greer has to do it in the face of constant badgering and ridicule.

So essentially, Greer has 1000 times more balls than guys like you and kroms, because he doesn't take the Safe and Easy way.....

Originally posted by tezzajw

Originally posted by millerman
Look, it is guys like you and tezzajw who are always demanding proof of Greer's claim that he levitated - so what is the point of demanding proof of levitation if you're just going to immediately brush off any and all evidence of levitation as MAGIC TRICKS or ILLUSIONS?

Yes, I demand proof of Greer levitating. He made the claim and to support that claim, he should prove it.

And HOW exactly would he prove it? By posting video footage of himself levitating - which would immediately get written off as a hoax or magic trick or illusion, as I have massively demonstrated in this thread...?

HOW could he ever possibly prove it tezzajw, when people are thoroughly programmed and conditioned to automatically believe that all such things are illusions?

Please explain to me HOW he could ever prove it, when video footage isn't even good enough evidence?

kroms keeps weaseling out of answering these questions - maybe you'll give me some real answers? Or will both of you just keep ducking out of having to answer these important questions?

Originally posted by millerman
You don't get it tezzajw.

Yeah, I do get it, millerman. Greer needs a professional publicist to help him sort out the mess that he has got himself into.

Wildly making claims about levitating and vectoring UFOs and not proving them would cause quite a mess, hey?

Trying to establish something that people are programmed to NOT believe, like vectoring UFOs, is much harder, and takes way more courage. It isn't Easy, it isn't Safe, and Greer has to do it in the face of constant badgering and ridicule.

millerman, I do believe in UFOs and aliens and I also believe that aliens have visited Earth. They are not SAFE beliefs. I believe all of this to be true based on the quality evidence that I have studied of some very good cases through my years of reading and researching the subject. When I tell other people that I firmly know that UFOs and aliens are real, some of them giggle and can't take it seriously - fine by me.

I have a SAFE belief that Greer is a fraud when he claims that he can levitate and vector in UFOs, WITHOUT proof. I have an even SAFER belief that Greer is a fraud when he posts pictures of moths on his website.

It is timely that Greer would be seeking a new, professional publicist to help his shattered claims of levitation and vectoring UFOs. He might also need a marketing director, professional photographer and a few qualified electricians/technicians. He will need the electricians and technicians to fix the faulty cameras from rain droplets while filming the next vectoring of a 100 foot mothership.

So essentially, Greer has 1000 times more balls than guys like you and kroms, because he doesn't take the Safe and Easy way.....

He's got balls for taking the frauds way.

Originally posted by tezzajw
Yeah, I do get it, millerman. Greer needs a professional publicist to help him sort out the mess that he has got himself into.

Wildly making claims about levitating and vectoring UFOs and not proving them would cause quite a mess, hey?

No, evidently not, because Greer has not been behaving at all like he is experiencing any serious credibility problems.

Or if he is experiencing serious credibility problems, he sure is putting on a brave face and hiding it really well!

Also, Greer barely pushes or promotes or sells CSETI at all. We all know how a salesman on commission behaves and pushes for the sale, we all know how TV advertising tries to mind control us.... Greer absolutely does not behave that way at all! Instead he just acts like CSETI is already proven and he makes no effort to push or sell it. Which indicates to me that CSETI has huge cred from positive word-of-mouth and he has no need to push, promote or sell it.

What you don't seem to understand is that he didn't just start getting ridiculed after he published "Hidden Truth" - people have been all over him ridiculing him for YEARS! All the way back to when CSETI started. And that has NEVER stopped him, not in 17 years - so why would it stop him now?