Get Smart! Epispde 52

originally posted by: twitchy
There were cars bursting into flames as far as seven blocks away.

Oh dear, those cars had been dragged there, to get them out of the way during the cleanup!

originally posted by: twitchy
a reply to: hellobruce
"He told us the operatives had been instructed to ensure that the explosives went off at a high — a point that was high enough to prevent people trapped above from escaping."
-George W. Bush

You left off some of the text....
www.metabunk.org...

For example, Khalid Sheik Mohammed described the design of plane attacks on building inside the U.S. and how operatives were directed to carry them out. That is valuable information for those of us who have the responsibility to protect the American people.

a reply to: hellobruce
All the cars? Some of the cars? Just the ones that were burnt? Seven blocks away... Sure they moved the cars to a central location or were they photographed all burnt up like that then moved? You see the issue there hopefully.
And again, why do you think George Bush himself said there were explosives in the WTC complex?

a reply to: hellobruce
I posted a video, write your own transcript if you like. And actually as I said, the whitehouse left some information out. The video is, well it's video.

a reply to: twitchy

ust prior to collapse, WTC 2 was largely extinguished, WTC 1 was full of black smoke indicating inefficient combustion.

I think you are being mislead by the color of the smoke.
Anyone who burns trash outside can tell you some basic facts of the way different materials burn.
Papers burn quickly.
Liquid fuels burn 2nd quickest. Only the surface of the liquid is burning.
But because viscosity of fuel is thin, it spreads all over the place and burns off.
Plastic and rubber are different.
First they heat (melt) to a thick liquid then ignite. Again the surface burns.
But they burn with a very black smoke even when there is no air restriction.
Also the liquid plastic doesn't spread very much because it is much thicker.
Therefore it burns for a lone time.

Anyways, in the two videos I posted earlier, one of the more interesting little facts you don't hear much about is the Flight School that Mohamed Atta attended has a very interesting history.

Source
The American people were sold a story which claimed these were muslim fundamentalists, religious extremists, a claim that is muddied further by Mohamed Atta's ex-girlfriend, Amanda Keller's contention that during his flight school training at Huffman Aviation in Venice, Florida, Atta frequented strip bars, used coc aine and was apparently a hedonist. Amanda Keller was not named as witness to the 9-11 commission, and along with several otehr residents of the area later claimed to have been harassed and intimidated, by Florida Law Enforcement and FBI agents to prevent them from talking to the media.
Huffman Aviation....
It is interesting to note that one of the 9-11 comissioners was none other than Ben-Veniste, who defended Barry Seal, drug smuggler extraordinaire who ran coc aine into Mena AK on behalf of the famous Contras during the Bush era CIA's Iran Contra operations and was gunned down in his car with George Bush Sr. personal phone number on him. Bush actually owned Barry's plane for a while.
Also interesting to note that the flight school in question here, Huffman Aviation was owned by Wally Hillard, if that name doesn't ring a bell, then perhaps the largest Heroin bust in Florida history will....

It's also important to remember that Barry Seal was linked to Pablo Escobar, the overnight Columbian bazillionaire. That's just one of the 9-11 commissioners, Ben-Veniste. If you know your JFK history, or even Iran-Contra 'Flight Schools' should perk your ears up as well.
And here's a great read on BCCI...
www.historycommons.org...

a reply to: samkent
Yeah, sure plastics and the like produce a thick black smoke, hey you got me there... more grey when it burns out it's fuel source and smolders like WTC 2 though, and well, hardly any smoke from the mostly contained fires of WTC 7.

But what about all that thick black smoke, do you think that has a cooling affect on flames in an enclosure which might have led to the original estimates of 500 degrees by folks that know that kind of stuff... or do you think that maybe fuel rich hydrocarbons can get so incredibly hot in a few hours that they permeate the structural grid of one of the largest steel framed high rises in the history of modern construction and cause a catastrophic collapse of accelerating debris through it's own intact understructure and into it's own footprint, three times in a row in one day and cause what, 60 thousand tons or so of concrete to turn into micron sized particulate, molten steel and hotspots for months, and leave anamolous high levels of radioactive isotopes in their wake? That's some pretty high temperatures for black smoke.

It's a rhetorical question, Yes thick black smoke actually cools fires. The excess hydrocarbons in the dark smoke absorb a great deal of radiant heat and as the smoke escapes it carries some of it away and also tends to create an oxygen poor environment for the open flames. I'm pretty sure NIST overlooked that, but it's been a while since I've read through the notes I took. I took a science class once.

a reply to: hellobruce

originally posted by: twitchy
a reply to: twitchy

Also in response to the endless drone of 'there were no explosions'...
I'm not the only one that has said as much...
"For example, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed described the design of planned attacks of buildings inside the U.S. and how operatives were directed to carry them out. That is valuable information for those of us who have the responsibility to protect the American people. He told us the operatives had been instructed to ensure that the explosives went off at a high — a point that was high enough to prevent people trapped above from escaping."
-George W. Bush
The whitehouse has since removed the quote from their records, but thankfully not everyone else's.

Looks like you might have missed a lot of the text, I reposted it and again for you, and of course I'd be very interested in your opinions as to what type of explosives Mr. President might have been talking about in that speech... and why do you suppose it was removed from the record there on metabunk, and the whitehouse. Ethically, of course it's pretty questionable, but do you reckon it's standard procedure these days to go about rewording a US President's speeches for posterity?

a reply to: twitchy

All the cars? Some of the cars? Just the ones that were burnt? Seven blocks away...

The cars were not blocks away when the WTC buildings collapsed, they were towed to the locations blocks away. Case in point; impact damages to the vehicles.

Photo 1: 9/11 Car

Photo 2: 9/11 Cars

Photo 3: 9/11 Cars

a reply to: twitchy

That video has been debunked because Bush never admitted that explosives were placed in the WTC buildings, he is referring to the instructions given to the 9/11 hijackers as to where to strike the WTC buildings with the aircraft they hijacked.

In other words, nothing to do with explosives.

a reply to: twitchy

Anyways, in the two videos I posted earlier, one of the more interesting little facts you don't hear much about is the Flight School that Mohamed Atta attended has a very interesting history.

Why did Mohamed Atta want to take flying lessons?

a reply to: hellobruce

From your link.

For example, Khalid Sheik Mohammed described the design of plane attacks on building inside the U.S. and how operatives were directed to carry them out. That is valuable information for those of us who have the responsibility to protect the American people.

I want to add that one of the terrorist who bombed WTC 1 in 1993, Ramzi Yousef, is the nephew of Khalid Sheik Mohammed and the same terrorist implicated in the Bojinka Plot by Philippine authorities in Manila, which was a plot to bomb airliners out of the sky in an effort to kill thousands. In addition, CIA Headquarters was to be targeted by flying an aircraft into the headquarters building.

The Bojinka Plot

a reply to: twitchy

Pyroclastic is very hot for concrete powder...

The 9/11 dust was not pyroclastic. You are confusing pyroclastic flows of volcanoes.

a reply to: twitchy

Pretty interesting information all around but of particular interest to this thread is that about halfway through the video or so, CIA whistleblower Susan Lindauer, one of the first non arab americans to be arrested under the Patriot Act, mentions that her handler tells her to stay away from NYC because the terrorists were planning to use micro-nukes and was concerned for her safety due to fallout.

Let's take a closer look at Susan Lindauerer because there was no radioactive fallout and furthermore, she also claimed that someone told her that the WTC buildings were packed thermite. Why would anyone pack a building with thermite if nukes are to be used? What she claims doesn't make any sense at all.

Susan Lindauer

Susan Lindauer is an American antiwar activist and former U.S. Congressional staffer who was charged with "acting as an unregistered agent of a foreign government" and violating U.S. financial sanctions during the run-up to the 2003 invasion of Iraq. She was incarcerated in 2005 and released the next year after two judges ruled her mentally unfit to stand trial.

en.wikipedia.org...

originally posted by: skyeagle409
a reply to: twitchy

That video has been debunked because Bush never admitted that explosives were placed in the WTC buildings, he is referring to the instructions given to the 9/11 hijackers as to where to strike the WTC buildings with the aircraft they hijacked.

In other words, nothing to do with explosives.

That video was 'debunked'?!? Nothing to do with explosives?!?!? I can't think of a single word that even sounds like explosives', did you watch the video? Would you like a transcript? If you're going to 'debunk' something, it's not typically in the best interests of your argument to 'debunk' things that are on video and were broadcast to millions of people. If that is typical of the 'debunking' that the Truth Movement is up against, then I find that kind of inspiring.

Yes there was fallout. You have no idea what cars I'm referring to, and Susan Lindauerer was a CIA asset who is perfectly competent, I'd go so far as to say lucid, factual, and articulate. As to why Mohamed Atta wanted to take flying lessons, I think it's a far more interesting question to ask why he wanted to at Huffman Aviation.

a reply to: twitchy

That video was 'debunked'?!?

That's right. Even the news agencies understood what he meant.

Yes there was fallout.

There was no fallout in New York City. Other than the black boxes, what are the high-valued recoverable items are sought after?

Answer: Depleted uranium control surface counterweights.

You have no idea what cars I'm referring to,...

The vehicles she refers to are the burned vehicles that were towed blocks away, which obviously show signs they suffered serious impact damage in other locations.

Susan Lindauerer was a CIA asset who is perfectly competent,

Many people considered Susan Lindauerer mentally unfit, including court judges.

As to why Mohamed Atta wanted to take flying lessons, I think it's a far more interesting question to ask why he wanted to at Huffman Aviation.

Atta wanted to take flying lessons for only one reason, and one reason only; to slam his hijacked airliner into WTC 1.
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a reply to: twitchy

Susan Lindauerer jumped ship, they tried to bury her but could not, so they dropped the charges, that how I see it..

a reply to: skyeagle409

I think I already responded to you, but I'll post it again.
Yes there was fallout. You have no idea what cars I'm referring to, and Susan Lindauerer was a CIA asset who is perfectly competent, I'd go so far as to say lucid, factual, and articulate. As to why Mohamed Atta wanted to take flying lessons, I think it's a far more interesting question to ask why he wanted to at Huffman Aviation.

a reply to: wildb
You're absolutely right. The 'money' she received from the Iraqis that they tried to charge her for was for two dinners with Iraqi delegates, which was well within her job description, totaling around 90 bucks. That's how trumped her charges were.

a reply to: wildb

Looking at the records, they dropped the charges because she was unfit to stand trial.

Susan Lindauerer: Mentally Unfit To Stand Trial

In 2005, Lindauer was incarcerated at Carswell Air Force Base in Fort Worth, Texas, for psychological evaluation. She was then moved to the Metropolitan Correctional Center in Manhattan.

In 2006, she was released after judge Michael B. Mukasey ruled that Lindauer was unfit to stand trial. He cited findings that she had paranoia and delusions of grandeur;

In 2008, Justice Loretta A. Preska of the Federal District Court in New York City reaffirmed that Lindauer was mentally unfit to stand trial, despite Lindauer's insistence to the contrary

www.nytimes.com...