Get Smart! Epispde 52

a reply to: skyeagle409

Does air cause central core columns to buckle?
I was pretty much over you when you said squibs aren't evidence of explosives. By the looks of it, that about sums your entire 9-11 thesis. I bumped this thread for your benefit, www.abovetopsecret.com... several others and I've already covered this information ad nauseum. There were explosives in the WTC complex.

a reply to: twitchy

Does air cause central core columns to buckle?

No, fire does.

I was pretty much over you when you said squibs aren't evidence of explosives. By the looks of it, that about sums your entire 9-11 thesis.

First of all, it was obvious the squibs were compressed air because they appeared only after the collapse sequence of the WTC buildings began, but in demolition implosions, the squibs appear before the collapse.

In addition, demolition squibs are accompanied by the sound of explosives as they are detonated in a timely sequence during the collapse, which is not what you hear as the WTC buildings are collapsing.

To recap:

* Demolition squibs are produced before a building collapses

* The WTC squibs were produced after their collapse sequences began

* Demolition squibs are accompanied by the sound of demolition explosions

* The WTC squibs were not accompanied by the sound of demolition explosions.

Those facts point out the major differences between demolition squibs and the WTC squibs. I would like to add that during the collapse sequence of the WTC buildings, debris, which are falling at free fall speed, are seen outpacing the collapse of those buildings. As debris reached ground level, the collapse of the WTC buildings is still in progress many stories above the ground. That fact alone debunks the claim the WTC buildings collapsed at free fall speed.

To sum it up, there is no case for explosives at ground zero, which is underlined by the fact that seismic monitors did not detect demolition explosions as WTC 1, WTC 2, and WTC 7 fell during the collapse sequence of those buildings. In addition, no demolition hardware was ever discovered in the rubble of the WTC buildings.

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originally posted by: twitchy
a reply to: skyeagle409

Does air cause central core columns to buckle?
I was pretty much over you when you said squibs aren't evidence of explosives. By the looks of it, that about sums your entire 9-11 thesis. I bumped this thread for your benefit, www.abovetopsecret.com... several others and I've already covered this information ad nauseum. There were explosives in the WTC complex.

There were no series of explosions indicative of demolition, no forensic evidence of demolition materials, and no death-bed confessions. The amount of explosives required to clear a floor in 150 milliseconds [given a 15 second collapse of 100 stories; average 150ms/floor] would definitely been noticeable by those within miles of the WTC. The gravitational collapse is much faster than any explosives. Once initiated, the building is going down. If you'd like to claim that someone hurried to the proper floor and initiated the collapse, go ahead. I can imagine a team with hacksaws and socket sets pumping nuts and sawing away but thermal weakening of the steel seems more likely. Note that the building hit lower down collapsed first. Was that a big plot or do you think the total load on the heated steel had something to do with it? The so-called squibs were compressed air, as previously stated. This behavior can be seen in the explosiveless collapse videos kindly provided by wildb.
As to the original OP concept of explosives in the concrete, non-contiguous explosive particles wouldn't really do much. Without initiators [caps] the only explosives that would explode would be too unstable to use. Casting charges in the concrete thirty years in advance of a ultra secret demolition plan is dangerous. Explosives become unstable over time and any modification to the building might cause an uhoh moment. Imagine moving a partition wall and drilling for anchor bolts. What happens when the Hilti hits your charges?
If you want to investigate concrete pulverization, it is easier to conclude non-spec concrete and bribed inspectors; sand is much cheaper than Portland cement and contractors have been known to occasionally go light on the cement content if slump tests aren't regular.

A little less than four years after the JFK assassination was when NBC aired episode 52 of Get Smart. Recall from earlier in the thread where we discussed the fact that the CIA literally walked onto the set and wanted to know where the show was getting it's ideas from as they were apparently getting too close for comfort on some very real intelligence work....
Despite his subsequent denials, this was the Hay Day of George Bush's involvement in the CIA long before accepting a position as it's director in 1976, just a few years before before good ole Brezenski came along orchestrating the mujahideen debacle in Afghanistan with operatives like Tim Osman (aka Osama Bin Laden).
There's two reasons this is important to the events of Sept.11 2001,
1.
George Bush's involvement in the JFK assassination and more importantly the narco-corruption behind it. Apples don't fall far from trees, though and his father, Prescott Bush, was one a very few actually tried under the Trading with the Enemy Act for his involvement with Harriman Nazi bankrolling and his son, well let's be nice... None of this is terribly shocking but it gives you an idea as to what kind of folks you're dealing with.

2.
This video establishes motive, pure and simple. If that doesn't curl your toes enough, dig around in the largely unknown and poorly understood multi-billion dollar BCCI fiasco. Take your pick... and remember that George Bush and Bill Clinton were so intimately involved in this fiasco they shared the same lawyer, which isn't really surprising either, considering this...
www.odessahistory.com...

Not really all that fascinating if you overlook presidential assassinations, sponsoring terrorism, and drug money laundering, but in the context of 9-11 you may notice these very same names, flight schools, and places being repeated in the 9-11 narrative. This was the cabal that was in place and running our intelligence agencies in and around the times that the WTC were being constructed and this very interesting, even esoteric episode of Get Smart hit the air and attracted the attention of the CIA. This goes all the way back to the 1960's.

cool.....one thing....not for sure but picture

the slabs pancake stacking all the way down then the impact may.....no that wouldn't powder it....was it powdered? we need the final average sizes......of the concrete....I believe it could be as proposed op....I'm a concrete commercial guy....and structures guy

If the pulverization occurred as seemingly from the video, from the top....the structure would fall lightly.....it kinda did, huh!!

a reply to: GBP/JPY
Some particulate was in the range of 2.5 microns, and there have been estimates that as much as 1/3 of the concrete was completely pulverized in this fashion. There was a bit earlier on in this thread about the concrete possibly being formulated somehow to achieve this that I'd like to hear your opinion on.

originally posted by: GBP/JPY
was it powdered?

Some of it was, a lot was not

www.uwgb.edu...

a reply to: twitchy

Also in response to the endless drone of 'there were no explosions'...
I'm not the only one that has said as much...
"For example, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed described the design of planned attacks of buildings inside the U.S. and how operatives were directed to carry them out. That is valuable information for those of us who have the responsibility to protect the American people. He told us the operatives had been instructed to ensure that the explosives went off at a high — a point that was high enough to prevent people trapped above from escaping."
-George W. Bush
The whitehouse has since removed the quote from their records, but thankfully not everyone else's.

originally posted by: hellobruce

originally posted by: GBP/JPY
was it powdered?

Some of it was, a lot was not

www.uwgb.edu...

As much as 1/3 is a lot. 2.5 Microns is atomized. Pyroclastic is very hot for concrete powder...

originally posted by: twitchy
Pyroclastic is very hot for concrete powder...

The WTC dust was NOT pyroclastic. It looked like it,

but the cloud itself was a density flow, a mixture of dust and air much denser than normal air. Density flows, whether in air or water, maintain their identity for quite a while. They stop moving when they run out of momentum, the denser parts of the flow settle out, and the lighter parts mix with the surrounding medium.

www.uwgb.edu...

Pretty interesting information all around but of particular interest to this thread is that about halfway through the video or so, CIA whistleblower Susan Lindauer, one of the first non arab americans to be arrested under the Patriot Act, mentions that her handler tells her to stay away from NYC because the terrorists were planning to use micro-nukes and was concerned for her safety due to fallout.

a reply to: hellobruce
That presents a real problem then because cars in the immediate are were bursting into flame, doors and door handles were popping off, something was producing iron rich micro spheres in the dust and it stayed hot for months despite millions of gallons of water... Something got really hot, or irradiated.

a reply to: GBP/JPY
400,000 cubic yards per tower i.e. WTC 1 and WTC 2 was used during construction, afterwards no recognizable pieces of it were left. Many firefighters and cleanup workers very publicly remarked about the striking lack of solid materials left in the collapse, only steel, aluminum, paper and dust. Everything else was completely vaporized into incredibly fine and incredibly hot micron sized particulate.

originally posted by: twitchy
because cars in the immediate are were bursting into flame, doors and door handles were popping off,

Something to do with the unchecked fires burning?

something was producing iron rich micro spheres in the dust

Just a iron building on fire
www.metabunk.org...

a reply to: hellobruce

Just prior to collapse, WTC 2 was largely extinguished, WTC 1 was full of black smoke indicating inefficient combustion. Some of the Initial estimates by the likes of Environmental Health Laboratories Inc had the fires at around 500 degrees. Is that hot enough to create iron spheres or blow car doors off their hinges hundreds of feet away? Just how does dust from a fire related collapse initiating 80-90 floors above burn cars up anyway? You're talking hot spots of up to 1500 degrees fully a month later.

originally posted by: twitchy
blow car doors off their hinges hundreds of feet away?

Care to show us that picture?

Just how does dust from a fire related collapse initiating 80-90 floors above burn cars up anyway?

You are the one who said the dust did that....

originally posted by: hellobruce


You are the one who said the dust did that....

Ah ok, I could have sworn you said...

originally posted by: hellobruce
Something to do with the unchecked fires burning?

But no, office furniture fires don't typically pop car doors off their hinges from 800 feet above do they?

originally posted by: twitchy

originally posted by: hellobruce


You are the one who said the dust did that....

Ah ok, I could have sworn you said...

Remember where you said "Just how does dust from a fire related collapse initiating 80-90 floors above burn cars up anyway? "

office furniture fires don't typically pop car doors off their hinges from 800 feet above do they?

Where did it do that? Link?

originally posted by: hellobruce

office furniture fires don't typically pop car doors off their hinges from 800 feet above do they?

Where did it do that? Link?

There were cars bursting into flames as far as seven blocks away. Some got so hot they were popping their handles off and doors off. If you're curious about it, find it for yourself.
www.google.com...

a reply to: hellobruce
"He told us the operatives had been instructed to ensure that the explosives went off at a high — a point that was high enough to prevent people trapped above from escaping."
-George W. Bush
I'm curious as to what explosives you think 'Mr. President' was referring to here... George Bush believed there were explosives in the buildings, and even referred to operatives placing them at specific locations to ensure the optimum casualty count. This was shortly after he told us we should never tolerate conspiracy theories regarding 9-11 so you can understand my confusion as a good law abiding red blooded American. Then of course Cheney, 'MR. Vice President' told us a missile hit the pentagon....