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Originally posted by donwhite
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Finally, if you have time you may watch a number of good scholarly discussions of world affairs on CSpan2 this weekend. You can find the schedule at booktv.org, and may I recommend the following to you:
Saturday, 4 PM, “How Bush43 Rules;” 6 PM, “Mt. Rushmore;” 8 PM, “Temptation of Power;” Sunday, 1 AM, “Unconventional War;” 9 AM, “Bush43 Hubris & the Iraq War;” 10 AM, “America to Rule the World;” 11:30 AM, “Target Iran;” 1 PM, “War Powers in the War on Terror;” and 7 PM, “Thomas Paine.” Try it, Muaddib, you’ll like it.
Originally posted by donwhite
posted by dgtempe
Thank you for addressing me. Your ideology is not mine, but you're entitled. Evidently Cubans who left, about 2 million so far, do not agree with you. This is not to say Cubans who left are dumb. You have radical points of view and I can deal with that. No problem. Thank you. [Edited by Don W]
I did not know as many as 2 million Cubans have come to America since 1959. I don’t doubt there are not 2 million people in America who give Cuba as their home of record, or who are descendants of people who left Cuba post 1959. I’m thinking the original out-flow was about 150-200,000. Over the years there have been another equal number, making a total of 300-400,000 who actually came here because of the Communist takeover. Popularly called “refugees” here mainly for domestic political purposes.
I have never said any refugees, whether Hungarian, Cuban, Vietnamese or Haitians, are “dumb.” Our government receives them or excludes them according to our own political objectives. And not their degree of need. I suppose every nation does that but we are hypocrites about it, claiming to have some overriding concern in the humane treatment of people. If it is our mission to export American style democracy, I want to see it in Darfur and quick.
I served in the Air Force during the Korean War and I believe it was fought for the right reason and in the correct manner. I opposed the Vietnam War from the first, because I knew enough of the area’s history to know we were backing the wrong side. I supported the First Gulf War for the same reasons I supported the Korean War, but I opposed this Second Punitive Expedition to Iraq (3/18/03) for the same reasons I opposed the Vietnam War. I opposed the War on Terrorism from the first day. I saw Bush43 co-opt the WTC tragedy to his own and the GOPs political gain. It saved his failing presidency. Without the WOT, Bush43 would have followed his father as a one termer.
Socialism is an economic system. Totalitarianism is a political system. Most of the successful socialist countries have been democratic. I suppose those include all of Europe and some others, too. All the totalitarian socialist systems have collapsed not because of the socialist part but because of the totalitarian part. Cuba is in between. China defies my definitions.
Socialism no longer means state ownership of the means of production as it did up to say, about 1955. Today it means assuring a level playing field in all economic realms and adequate social programs to make the safety net real and not theoretical or political double-speak. The good life, shared. And I thank you, Dgtempe.
[edit on 10/23/2006 by donwhite]
Originally posted by spinstopshere
You call a 38% approval rating succeding
And just for the record why do you think we supported the wrong side in the vietnam war
posted by spinstopshere
posted by donwhite
I did not know 2 million Cubans come to America . . I opposed the Vietnam War. [edited by donwhite]
And just for the record why do you think we supported the wrong side in the Vietnam war
Originally posted by donwhite
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Socialism no longer means state ownership of the means of production as it did up to say, about 1955. Today it means assuring a level playing field in all economic realms and adequate social programs to make the safety net real and not theoretical or political double-speak. The good life, shared. And I thank you, Dgtempe.
Originally posted by donwhite
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Ho Chi Minh was a nationalist first, a Communist second. He spoke for the greatest number of Vietnamese. We backed the French lackeys who were a small minority. We lost and I’m glad. I’m sorry 59,000 Americans were KIA and I’m equally sorry that we killed 1,000,000 - 3,000,000 Vietnamese.
Originally posted by donwhite
Many of the Vietnamese who have come here are either the lackeys or their descendants and so, have no credence with me. They are similar to the Cubans who have come here. They both want the American army to turn back the clock and put them into power in Cuba. And in Vietnam.
Originally posted by GradyPhilpott
Originally posted by spinstopshere
You call a 38% approval rating succeding
And just for the record why do you think we supported the wrong side in the vietnam war
The success of a president is not measured by popular support, especially in times like these. The public is not capable of knowing and understanding all the facts necessary to prosecute a war.
posted by dgtempe
A mind is a terrible thing to waste. An intelligent mind with wrong facts is not a person I’d want information from. DonWhite you talk nonsense and know nothing about what it is like in Cuba. It is all disinformation. [Edited by Don W]
Originally posted by donwhite
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Many of the Vietnamese who have come here are either the lackeys or their descendants and so, have no credence with me. They are similar to the Cubans who have come here. They both want the American army to turn back the clock and put them into power in Cuba. And in Vietnam.
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Sahara issue
Sahrawi children inhumanely treated in Cuba, former Cuban official
Morocco TIMES
"Sahrawi children, who are sent to Cuba, followed military training and courses on making explosives,” testified one of the Cuban former officials, who made documentaries on the inhumane conditions of the Sahrawi children in Cuba, reported MAP news agency.
Some former Cuban senior officials confessed that children, who were snatched from their parents in Tindouf camps and deported to Cuban “Youth Island”, endured ill-treatment.
“These children followed military training and courses on the making of explosives,” said former Cuban instructor, Dariel Alarcon.
Dariel Alarcon, known as “Benigno”, testified in a documentary entitled “Cuba and Polisario Front: crime partners” that he was in charge of making Sahrawi children, barely nine years old, undergo a military training.
Alarcon, now exiled in France, recalled boats carrying an "incredibly" high number of Sahrawi children, who later were sent to "Youth island” under military control with no hope of escaping.”
“We taught children how to make home-made explosives with such products as sugar, coffee, sulphur, and nitroglycerine,” he said, revealing that during these courses “several children were killed. Their bodies should still be buried in the island if they were not exhumed,” said Alarcon.
Juan Vives, former agent of Cuban secret services, published a documentary under the title “El Magnifico” in which he described the inhumane condition of children sent from the Polisario-controlled Tindouf camps, South-west Algeria, to the Latin American country.
In the documentary, Vives said that the Moroccan Sahrawi children were sent to schools, which were established especially for them, to follow their politically oriented studies.
“Children were obliged to work in the fields in the morning and go to school in the afternoon. Some did not cease to cry, claiming their parents. It was inhumane. Some arrived so young to Cuba that they hardly remembered from where they came. And it is very inhumane,” said Vives.
INFOCUBA: EDUCATION
"Study, work, rifle"
Cuba's educational system presses revolutionary message along with ABC's
On page 56 of Cuba's first-grade reading textbook, students are taught through a combination of words and drawings that the letter ``F'' stands for Felito, a child's name, and fusil, a military rifle.
``Felito sharpens the mocha [a short machete],'' read the practice sentences in ¡A Leer!. ``Beside it, he places the fusil.''
Just below the surface of those simple words lies a deeper meaning, a Communist concept that students in the Cuban educational system quickly learn, whether they choose to embrace it or not: ``Estudio, Trabajo, Fusil.'' Study, Work, Rifle.
The phrase is not just the political motto for Cuba's Communist Youth Union. It has also been the center of Cuban dictator Fidel Castro's hope for the future of Communism on the island: the interlocking of education and political indoctrination.
Last October, the government made it clear that ideological content in schools is a top priority. In closing the government's second national education workshop -- held in Santiago de Cuba -- Rolando Alfonso Borges, head of the Ideological Department of the Cuban Communist Party's Central Committee, declared:
``The front line of political-ideological work with children is school, and the first soldiers are teachers and other education workers. We have to put our hearts into political-ideological work, and it must be done in a systematic way, where each section of the educational system has specific responsibilities that it must account for and which the party must control.''
'The front line of political-ideological work with children is school, and the first soldiers are teachers.'
-- ROLANDO ALFONSO BORGES,
head of Ideological Department of Cuban Communist Party's Central Committee
This past school year, children were pulled out of school more than ever to attend government-orchestrated rallies demanding the return of Elián González.
And according to Santiago Press, an independent press agency in Cuba, the government has stepped up indoctrination efforts outside school. It has created a junior version of neighborhood spy networks for children ages 4 to 13. The agency reported in January that the first children's committee was formed in Cuevitas, near Santiago de Cuba, under the motto: ``Vigilance, fundamental duty of the child.''
But despite the government's heightened efforts, parents and dissidents say a combination of limited career and job opportunities and the bleak reality of daily life under Communism have conspired to make it harder for Castro to indoctrinate children.
``A lot of young people visit my home and they have many concerns, they ask themselves why Cubans don't have the same rights as others do -- can't go to college, can't rent a hotel room in their own city,'' said one Havana parent, Lázara Brito. ``They say `I'm burning the midnight oil and for what? I can make more money selling pizza from my house.' These kids are different than those of past times.''
Political indoctrination is the part of the Cuban educational system rarely mentioned alongside the praise that the country receives for achieving near-universal literacy, for having one of the best academic performances among Latin American countries according to UNESCO, and for developing top-notch teachers.
As American students head back to school this month for another year of math, science and grammar, children starting school in Cuba will learn songs and poems about Castro and Cuban Revolution heroes such as Che Guevara and Celia Sánchez. Officials will start a dossier on each student, where not only their grades, but their political and religious activities will be recorded. The expediente acumulativo escolar, as the dossier is called, will follow the student to his or her job, where bosses will keep similar tabs.
Elementary school students of both sexes will automatically become Pioneros, or Pioneers, a kind of Communist version of the Boy Scouts with a heavy military and watchdog bent. They'll perform neighborhood watches, in which, generally accompanied by adults, they'll question passersby for identification, and keep an eye on neighbors.
Middle and high-school students will start their school days by singing anthems and reciting speeches about a figure of the Cuban Revolution, or talk about a current or historical event -- from the Communist perspective. Their teachers will start each class with 15 more minutes of similar discussion, as required by law. Students will learn how to clean, assemble and use weapons.
Students with college aspirations must join and remain active in the Communist Youth Union. They must take part in numerous conferences, marches, rallies and more military training. They must spend 45 days of their summer at a country school, working in fields during the morning and attending classes in the afternoon.
``They say education in Cuba is free, but we have it on very hard terms,'' Brito said. ``Education in Cuba has a political foundation. It doesn't make students think. It teaches them that the Cuban way is the right way and everything outside it is wrong.''
Meanwhile, say detractors, teachers are leaving the profession in droves for better-paying work in the tourist sector and the government is hastily filling vacancies with graduate education students.
Originally posted by dgtempe
Step outside of one of those beach resorts and you have nothing but pure poverty and a 3rd world country, where it used to be the playground of the world.