6000 Year old Earth? T-Rex on Noah's Ark??!

Originally posted by Mr Mxyztplk
If the flood story were literally true then it could not be the Black Sea flooding because of an incorrect timespan.

Please explain this to me. This point in specific. I have no idea what you mean in this respect, and understanding how this is preceived, may allow me to explain.

Because, I have never seen anything to say, when the flood took place. EVER.

And also to what effect does the black sea flood have upon Noah's flood? When the Black Sea flooded a boat REALLY wouldn't have helped. The point of the Judea and Christian religions is that the Bible is the true and inspired world of God. Not simply ancient tales.

As noted earlier, a fellow contributor in a Topic that is dicsussing the pillars of Hercules, noted, (AS I ALSO BELIEVE) that the Pillar of Hercules acted, in the same manner, in seperating the Lowlands of the Med Basin, which today we know is littered with ancient ruins. Hey, even Laura Croft found Pandora's Box in these waters. (Sorry for trying to be humorous). I am certain this is not NEWS FOR ANYONE, that Structures and finds of Constructed items are all over the Med Basin.

BlackGuardXIII noted

Can anyone aplay this to the Gibraltar straits?

yes.

And the block that separated the sea and the ocean, at some point was breached. Vast volumes of water entered the Mediterranean sea and the sea level rose considerably.

Well, I believe, that due to Global Warming, their was enormous pressures placed on Hercules shoulders to hold back these increasing waters from entering the Med Basin. With all of his strength, he held back these waters for 1000's of years, all the while, Satan, and the Fallen Angels came to earth and took the daughters of man, and produced the reason for the Flood that I noted earlier.

I believe Noah lived in the Med Basin, and when the firmament was finally dispersed, (likely somewhere in the Atlantic) the influx of waters became too much for Hercules to hold back, and the waters flooded the Med Basin. Nothing survived, but Noah and his family. He needed that boat though.

The Black Sea comes in, because, unlike the MED, there was an escape of some of the Nomadic peoples. The event that took place 5600 years ago, presumes, this was solely Global warming, and science in it's wisdom always forgets the firmament. If the waters poured through the Pillars of Hercules, and filled the Med, which then broke thru to the Black Sea, we have a series of explainable events. that accounts for why we have all these cities underwater today.

And yes, the inhabitants would have been wiped from the earth, along with the Flesh of the Fallen and their offspring.

I also think, when reflecting on the following, and considering what CAN BE found in the waters in the noted areas, it will become clearer, to what I am suggesting.
Was it solely in the MED Basin. No



Waters would have flood MOST of the whited areas around the globe. We see cities and Temples, and Roads (presumed at this time) in many of these of shore areas, all underwater. Disregard the Atlantis reference, because it was the Map, I was interested in to draw attention to this.

And the Ark. I tried to explain this previously, in another topic. How did the Ark (If it is the Ark) end up 11000 Ft on Ararat? The Med Basin filled, and the waters rushed in and the boat finally came to rest as the waters dispersed into places like the Black Sea, leaving the Ark on Mt Ararat, (if that is where the Ark is). I think theres a comparision that suggests it was 200 Times the Flow of Niagara, pouring into the Black Sea.

Do you see what I am meaning?

As for your astrological/Christian point of view...yeah. Astrology would fall under witchcraft

Excuse me, but No, Astronomy and the Zodiac, is the Message of GOD, written in the skies, and it's thru the Fallen, and Satan, that we have a skewed interpetation of this today. The symbolism is retained, but the facts behind them are twisted.

Genesis 1;1 In the Begining, God created the Heavens and the Earth. There is noting Pagan, Devil Worship or Witchcraft oriented about this at all.

But let me know how this effects the validity of the Bible, because I do get it.

Ciao

Shane

Shane,
When I said that astrology is witchcraft I am only going by what the bible says,
Is 47:13-14
Let now the astrologers, the stargazers, the monthly prognosticators, stand up, and save thee from these things that shall be as stubble: the fire shall burn them: they shall not deliver themselves from the the power of the flame:
So your beef is not with me but the bible, I say believe what you want

As for when did the flood happen this site looks like it purports to know
www.bibleworldhistory.com...

Check it out tell me what you think.
Peace out
Mr MX

Interesting. But if all the continents are jammed together like that, what's on the other side of the world? Is it all ocean, or what?



Or was the world a smaller place, like everybody always says it is.

Originally posted by Mr Mxyztplk
Shane,
When I said that astrology is witchcraft I am only going by what the bible says,
Is 47:13-14
Let now the astrologers, the stargazers, the monthly prognosticators, stand up, and save thee from these things that shall be as stubble: the fire shall burn them: they shall not deliver themselves from the the power of the flame:
So your beef is not with me but the bible, I say believe what you want

Check it out tell me what you think.
Peace out
Mr MX

Ah, and this is what I noted. It is a Skewed topic, and of course, from Creation until the flood, the teachers of this to man, where the Fallen.

Also, was that not a Prophecy against the Harlot, Mystery Babylon? Isaiah 47

But that does little to remove the fact, the Heavens where made by God, and in His Glory. His message is written in those stars, which now have Pagan applications and associations. It does not mean we should ignore his wonderous creation or have knowledge of it.

And I have no beef with you my friend. I asked a question, and made a comment. Thats all.

As for that Flood Link, good portion of the dating is not Biblically sourced, but from alternative places.

The Original Pedigree, is accurate, starting from Adam on, to Noah, but the Starting Point is questionable since we have no clue, when Adam was created. Is it the Eight Day, since the seventh was a Day of Rest? Or even a Day after that? It is missing this detail.

Also as noted within the 'Critical' topic on the Bottom. Many references to ASSUMPTION is laidout. There seems to be many, many assumptions laidout.

A whole lot of Assuming going on there.

Makes suggesting the 5600 BC date, and part there of, for the Great Flood, all that more reasonable.

Have a good evenig

Ciao

Shane

Originally posted by Enkidu
Interesting. But if all the continents are jammed together like that, what's on the other side of the world? Is it all ocean, or what?

Or was the world a smaller place, like everybody always says it is.

A very good question.

300 Million or so years ago? Thats the way it seems. I do not know what other thoughts there are are this, than what has already been generally presumed.

The Breakup is sort of as outlined in the following



But this is a period of time that is far, far older, than Genesis Chapter 1 Verse 2. Interesting enough, Genesis 1:1 predates Pangaea though.

Have a good evening

Ciao

Shane

Originally posted by dbrandt
Genesis 7:9 There went in two and two unto Noah into the ark, the male and the female, as God had commanded Noah.

Hmmm... But what about animals like earthworms, that are not male and female, but hermaphroditic? I guess it doesn't say, huh?

Ha-HA!! The "infallible" Bible, the Sacred and Holy Word of the Great and All-Powerful Lord Gawd of the Universe slipped up on that one, didn't it? Whadda ladda malarky!




[edit on 5-6-2006 by Enkidu]

True about how the bible is just stories, no facts. It just helps us be better people. That is pure BS, 6,000 years? Come on. And also, that is true, the Da Vinci code, I believe is just pure BS. I think Dan just saw that, and took it and made up his stories and say that it is true about the Christian religion and just make tons of cash out of it, right now those guys have made millions.

Originally posted by jta79

Among Ham's beliefs are that the Earth is about 6,000 years old, a figure arrived at by tracing the biblical genealogies, and not 4.5 billion years, as mainstream scientists say; the Grand Canyon was formed not by erosion over millions of years, but by floodwaters in a matter of days or weeks

I have heard more realistic theories of a short-term creation of the Grand Canyon; that it was possible a volcanic eruption that caused the layering. Apparently there were similar results that occured after Mt. St. Helens erupted. I don't think floodwaters could caues that type of result, no matter how strong they were, within only a matter of days or weeks.

Originally posted by Draconica

Originally posted by Shane

Since the Text is Specific to Noah, is it the Whole World, or the Whole of Noah's World, that is Flooded. Obviously, it's Noah's known world.

Excellent point noted. Perhaps the entire world wasn't flooded-- but most definately the known world of Noah was.

Thus also following that the animals gathered were animals known to Noah, not necessarily every species existing on Earth.

Originally posted by Phoenix521
And also, that is true, the Da Vinci code, I believe is just pure BS. I think Dan just saw that, and took it and made up his stories and say that it is true about the Christian religion and just make tons of cash out of it, right now those guys have made millions.

The Davinci Code is FICTION. Just like Harry Potter, except he used some real events in his fiction writing. The story is not claimed to be true, and it is not under "history" or "non-fiction" in any bookstore or library.

[edit on 6/12/2006 by abbyful]

Since the Text is Specific to Noah, is it the Whole World, or the Whole of Noah's World, that is Flooded. Obviously, it's Noah's known world.

So only the people living close to Noah deserved to die? How come?

And also, that is true, the Da Vinci code, I believe is just pure BS. I think Dan just saw that, and took it and made up his stories and say that it is true about the Christian religion and just make tons of cash out of it, right now those guys have made millions.

The Davinci Code is FICTION. Just like Harry Potter, except he used some real events in his fiction writing. The story is not claimed to be true, and it is not under "history" or "non-fiction" in any bookstore or library.

[edit on 6/12/2006 by abbyful]

The Bible is not under history or non fiction either?

[edit on 14/6/06 by Jugg]

Originally posted by Jugg

So only the people living close to Noah deserved to die? How come?

If you go by the reason in the Bible, it's because they were all wicked people full of sin. It is entirely plausible that people within a few cities had fallen deep into sin, but that not everyone on the entire surface of the earth did. Remember, the stories in the Bible are more symbolic than 100% fact.

Originally posted by Jugg

The Bible is not under history or non fiction either?

That is correct. The Bible is under the section called 'religion'.

Originally posted by Jugg

Since the Text is Specific to Noah, is it the Whole World, or the Whole of Noah's World, that is Flooded. Obviously, it's Noah's known world.

So only the people living close to Noah deserved to die? How come?


[edit on 14/6/06 by Jugg]

Genesis 7
[18] And the waters prevailed, and were increased greatly upon the earth; and the ark went upon the face of the waters.
[19] And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered.
[20] Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered.
[21] And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of beast, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth, and every man:
[22] All in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land, died.
[23] And every living substance was destroyed which was upon the face of the ground, both man, and cattle, and the creeping things, and the fowl of the heaven; and they were destroyed from the earth: and Noah only remained alive, and they that were with him in the ark.
[24] And the waters prevailed upon the earth an hundred and fifty days.


The Bible indicates that it was a global flood and that every land animal and every person and birds died, except those on the ark.

Genesis 9
[11] And I will establish my covenant with you; neither shall all flesh be cut off any more by the waters of a flood; neither shall there any more be a flood to destroy the earth.
[12] And God said, This is the token of the covenant which I make between me and you and every living creature that is with you, for perpetual generations:
[13] I do set my bow in the cloud, and it shall be for a token of a covenant between me and the earth.
[14] And it shall come to pass, when I bring a cloud over the earth, that the bow shall be seen in the cloud:
[15] And I will remember my covenant, which is between me and you and every living creature of all flesh; and the waters shall no more become a flood to destroy all flesh.
[16] And the bow shall be in the cloud; and I will look upon it, that I may remember the everlasting covenant between God and every living creature of all flesh that is upon the earth.
[17] And God said unto Noah, This is the token of the covenant, which I have established between me and all flesh that is upon the earth.



Also we know it was a global flood because God put the rainbow in the sky as a sign that He would never again destroy the earth by water.

If it was a regional event then God would have broken His promise, because there have been many many localized floods which are still happening today.

So we KNOW it was a global flood.

lots of prayer haters up in here.

Originally posted by dbrandt
So we KNOW it was a global flood.

I understand your position, and what you are attempting to stress.

So I ask, for your answer this this simple question.

How did the Aboriginies in Austrailia, survive?

Because, despite what you wish to suggest the Bible notes, The Aboriginies have survived, and done so since the Sixth Day, just fine. As has their ecosystem. Their history dates to 14000 Years ago. UnBroken and Un-Interupted. They even have Lore of the Firmament, and Creation dating to Day Six. This is a complete and utter contradiction to what you are claiming.

This is a fact None can ignore.

Ciao

Shane

Originally posted by Shane


How did the Aboriginies in Austrailia, survive?


This is a fact None can ignore.

You'll have to give me more info because I see no problem.

Originally posted by dbrandt

Originally posted by Shane


How did the Aboriginies in Austrailia, survive?
This is a fact None can ignore.

You'll have to give me more info because I see no problem.

Since, the main emphasis of what you are noting, coming from literally implying the context of the events that are specific to Noah and his Faimly are to apply to the Global Population of this earth, how is it that people of the Sixth Day Recreation are still here, without any disruption to them over all of these last 14000 Years. The Aboriginies are just such a people.

So there's two things to consider

Either, this Global Flood would have occured prior to 14000 years ago, which again, causes conflict because the Scholarly seem to note the Bible explains this was something that happened some as recent as 5000 years ago, or The flood was note Global, in the way you have suggested.

I do not believe the Scholarly though, and make no mistake, I know exactly what you are noting, and why, but I think there is an error being made, and wish to see if you can come to the conclusion that things must be taken and held to context.

Anyhow, looking forward to the Answer you have.

Ciao

Shane

Originally posted by dbrandt
So we KNOW it was a global flood.

Basing this comment on something written in a book that is largely symbolic and entirely religious (the parts about the great regional power ruled by David and Solomon are NOT substantiated by the evidence on the ground) is unwise. There is still no evidence at all of a global flood. And the number of species in the world is too high for a single boat to contain. And how did the Platypus, the Koala the Echidna and the Dodo get there? And... haven't these points been made by others in different places????

evidence for a global flood might lie in the different layers of the earth. the layers of strata all over the earth could possibly be the result of a flood. moving water and a bunch of dirt form layers. just a thought.

also, you dont have to fit each variety of the different kind of animals on the boat. (not to mention, that boat was pretty huge, being that there were giants in the earth in those days and the boat was measured in cubits)
all that was needed was a male and female from each kind for example, two from the dog family, two from the cat family, two from the whatever-else family. thats all you need, just two of the same kind to start the family. again just another idea.

someone mentioned earlier, "T-rex on noahs ark?... all of these huge animals on the ark..." all of these questions mentioning these big animals on a boat
well, there is something many people overlook...
Answer: take the babies.
Reasons: they are alot smaller, they sleep a lot more, more flexible, ect. there is no reason to take the biggest animals. no reason to take the older animals.

just thoughts... let me know what you think.

Originally posted by dbrandt
God is speaking here
Job 40
[24] He taketh it with his eyes: his nose pierceth through snares.

Sounds an awful lot like a rhinocerous to me. Certainly known to the people of the Middle East, either through direct experience or stories and drawings. Not a dinosaur.

Sounds an awful lot like a rhinocerous to me. Certainly known to the people of the Middle East, either through direct experience or stories and drawings. Not a dinosaur.

did you read the entire description of the animal God was talking about.

"His tail moveth like a cedar" pretty long thick tail. a Rhino does not have a tail like a cedar.
this sounds exactly like a dinosaur to me.

Originally posted by Methuselah
(not to mention, that boat was pretty huge, being that there were giants in the earth in those days and the boat was measured in cubits)

If i remember correctly a cubit was the distance from one's wrist to elbow.

not really that much larger than a foot.