6000 Year old Earth? T-Rex on Noah's Ark??!

Noahs ARK was not a boat it was an Arc. There is no consensus as to the material it was made of so I offer this solution. Kepher means stone. They were to line the inside and outside at a "Pitch". The arks(plural) build by Noah and his sons are the pyramids around the world starting in Egypt.

Question over identity Gen 6:14 states that Noah built the Ark of גפר (gofer, more commonly gopher) wood, a word not otherwise known in the Bible or in Hebrew. The Jewish Encyclopedia believes it was most likely a translation of the Babylonian "gushure i÷ erini" (cedar-beams), or the Assyrian "giparu" (reed).[1] The Greek Septuagint (3rd–1st centuries BC) translated it as xylon tetragonon, "squared timber".[2] Similarly, the Latin Vulgate (5th century AD) rendered it as lignis levigatis, "smoothed (possibly planed) wood". Older English translations, including the King James Version (17th century), simply leave it untranslated. Many modern translations tend to favour cypress (although the word for "cypress" in Biblical Hebrew is erez), following Adam Clarke, a Methodist theologian famous for his commentary on the Bible: Clarke cited the resemblance between Greek word for cypress, kuparisson and the Hebrew word gophar, although Greek and Hebrew are not related languages and the linguistic resemblance is superficial. Other suggestions include pine, cedar, fir, ebony, wicker, juniper, acacia, boxwood, slimed bulrushes and resinous wood, and even American trees such as Cladrastis kentuckea, or American yellowwood, although this type of gopherwood has no known relation to the material of Noah's Ark. Others, noting the physical similarity between the Hebrew letters g and k, suggest that the word may actually be kopher, the Hebrew word meaning "pitch"; thus kopher wood would be pitched wood. Recent suggestions have included a lamination process (to strengthen the Ark), or a now-lost type of tree, but there is no consensus.[3]

See my thread and see if this makes any sense.


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Peace

[edit on 1-10-2008 by letthereaderunderstand]

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Noah traveled all around the world building pyramids? Do you know how long it takes to build a pyramid? Do you also know that none of the records of the time speak of massive floods that killed all the slaves that just build the pyramids? Do you know that even if the arks/arcs were pyramids, there still isn't enough space in all of them to fit all the animals (2xunclean, 7xclean)?

It still doesn't make the slightest shred of sense. It seems, in my humble opinion, that you are trying to shoe-horn your beliefs into the history of the world, without a thought for the existing historical accounts of the time - at least not the ones that don't agree with your hypothesis.

Noah's arc is impossible.
The only stance that a Christian can take who wants to be taken seriously is to say that it was an impossibility made possible by God.
Kind of like Santa Claus.

But as far as scientifically/mathematically speaking, it's impossible.

Thought you all might be interested in this.

Way to revive an old thread by the way.

Originally posted by pstiffy
i love how people use purely Biblical statements to back there statements. Since it says it in the bible, it has to be true

Last time I checked the Bible was a Book of Story's and Interpretations, NOT facts, whether people want to accept it or not.

6000 years, B.S IMO

For two hundred years, archeologists had a saying "A bible in one hand, and a spade in the other". In other words, they used the bible's descriptions of people, places, and things, to try and find out where to dig.

The latest on this was just a couple of months ago, when some seal or other was dug up that related to someone mentioned in the bible.

What did those archeologists know for 200 years that modern ones have forgotten?

Edit to add: If "Noah's Ark" is such a "mythical" story, why does EVERY SINGLE SOCIETY THROUGHOUT HISTORY have this "myth"? Why does EVERY SINGLE SOCIETY THROUGHOUT HISTORY have "myths" about Dragons (aka dinosaurs)?

[edit on 2-10-2008 by sir_chancealot]

Originally posted by sir_chancealot
Edit to add: If "Noah's Ark" is such a "mythical" story, why does EVERY SINGLE SOCIETY THROUGHOUT HISTORY have this "myth"?

..because it rains everywhere. :shk:
We've also lived through ice ages. Guess what? Ice melts.

Why does EVERY SINGLE SOCIETY THROUGHOUT HISTORY have "myths" about Dragons (aka dinosaurs)?

The same reason modern man knows about dinosaurs: their bones.


[edit on 2-10-2008 by riley]

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David, there you are. Did you read the post?

I know you didn't or you wouldn't of said the things you said, knowing that I didn't say "Rest" went around the world building pyramids and that his sons are representative of the root races who's names all mean something and aren't just names, but characteristics of whole generations of people. You won't find that in King James or any English version. It is sealed in the original languages. To be true, you have to search true. English is English. If you want to know what was really being said you have to read it in the format it was written in word for word.

Cars run on gas, but you can't put leaded into an unleaded tank.

I know you don't know why you are so angry at God. You really should take this matter up with him. This is how you do it. You go and look in a mirror and look directly into your eyes and find him and his grace for you. Have a moment and ask him the questions that plague you. If you truly seek, he will reveal to you all you ever wished...

To assume you know everything is well, shoe horning to use your own words.

Humbly, I respect your opinion. Thank you

Originally posted by riley

Originally posted by sir_chancealot
Edit to add: If "Noah's Ark" is such a "mythical" story, why does EVERY SINGLE SOCIETY THROUGHOUT HISTORY have this "myth"?

..because it rains everywhere. :shk:
We've also lived through ice ages. Guess what? Ice melts.

Why does EVERY SINGLE SOCIETY THROUGHOUT HISTORY have "myths" about Dragons (aka dinosaurs)?

The same reason modern man knows about dinosaurs: their bones.


[edit on 2-10-2008 by riley]

Hello Riley,

I just wanted to ask you what it was like to live through an "Ice Age". I know you had to of, as THAT IS THE ONLY WAY you would know it for fact, unless you believe everything you read and hear without first hand knowledge of it yourself.

This is cool (pun intended). A real person, the first one ever, who experienced an ICE AGE and can verify it as the truth. Tell me...were those little squirrels really that cute? Or did Ice Man really say "Petaaaa". I can't wait to hear about this. How cold was it? Did you hunt and gather? Did you use stone tools? Fire must have been nice in such harsh conditions.

Can't wait...Peace

reply to post by letthereaderunderstand


There is actually evidence of the Ice Age.
You don't have to live through it to see the evidence.
Are you denying that there was an ice age?

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What are you banging on about? We are trying to have a rational discussion, and you're guessing all kinds of things about me? I'm as angry with God as you are angry with Odin. Get over it. Not everyone believes in mythical jewish sky fairies.

Noah's Ark is a story for kids. It doesn't make the slightest bit of sense, is not backed up by *any* physical evidence, and is, in fact, condemned by incredible physical evidence. Where did the water come from for a global flood? Where did it go afterwards? Why am I even having this discussion with someone who clearly doesn't understand rational thought?

Sheesh. Why are you so angry with reality?

Originally posted by pstiffy
i love how people use purely Biblical statements to back there statements. Since it says it in the bible, it has to be true

Last time I checked the Bible was a Book of Story's and Interpretations, NOT facts, whether people want to accept it or not.

6000 years, B.S IMO

Good post -many people will not want to hear it but I completely agree with what you say.
On a lighter note:
thebizzare.com...
Cheers Karl

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Using your logic, no-one can possibly be a Christian, because they weren't there 2,008 years ago. See how ridiculous that is?

Originally posted by TruthParadox
reply to post by letthereaderunderstand

 

There is actually evidence of the Ice Age.
You don't have to live through it to see the evidence.
Are you denying that there was an ice age?

No I'm not denying an Ice Age. I'm saying I didn't witness it happen, therefore I can't verify for you. I can tell you ice happens because I can verify it having lived in the snow and being able to look in my freezer.

What I can't do is tell everyone that something is true having read about it on the internet or having second hand information without witnessing it myself. I like to call it being honest. When I live through an Ice Age, I promise I'll tell you it was true, till then, I'd be lying if I said anything else. What you call myth, others call evidence and so on.

It seems to me to be a Truth Paradox


Peace

Originally posted by dave420
reply to post by letthereaderunderstand

 

What are you banging on about? We are trying to have a rational discussion, and you're guessing all kinds of things about me? I'm as angry with God as you are angry with Odin. Get over it. Not everyone believes in mythical jewish sky fairies.

Noah's Ark is a story for kids. It doesn't make the slightest bit of sense, is not backed up by *any* physical evidence, and is, in fact, condemned by incredible physical evidence. Where did the water come from for a global flood? Where did it go afterwards? Why am I even having this discussion with someone who clearly doesn't understand rational thought?

Sheesh. Why are you so angry with reality?

Banging? I don't even know what that means. I don't belong to any gangs, unless ATS is a gang. I didn't realize I was displaying any anger, so I apologize if I did. I even told you who God is, so don't "shoot the messenger".

I was being irrational? Actually, I was trying to offer an explanation for two mysteries of the world and how they may be related. If my hypothesis is true, then one of the questions you just asked me above is answered plus, you also know why the pyramids were built. If you understood, what the pyramids represented, then you would have the other questions answered. If you won't even read my explanation, which I provided link to in my post, how can we have a rational conversation?

A rational conversation would consist of sharing ideas and reasons for such, which I did and you bothered not to even consider it. All you have done is ridicule me, without offering any helpful information to prove how it didn't exist. Projecting your anger in "fairy tales" doesn't prove anything to me, other then you don't know what your talking about. Is that rational?

All I presumed of you, was what you displayed. You are a nice guy I'm sure of it, just a little upset with what others believe and misdirect your hostility because you don't have the answers for everything and never will. I don't either and that's why I'm here.

As I said, I humbly respect your opinion, which is all it is. I'll even admit, because I didn't witness it, that my idea is worth no more then yours, other then I at least offered up my "evidence".

Angry at reality? How could I be angry at reality? Reality is, what isn't reality is saying you know something to be absolutely true that you haven't experienced yourself. That would make it Fantasy.

Peace

edit: I thought about were the water went. You've heard of the "underground water table" right? People tap into it for wells.

It says the foundations of the deep were rent, or torn. It also says, that before the flood it had never rained, but a mist came up from the ground to water the face of the earth. If it had never rained, then there wasn't enough water in the atmosphere to condensate into rain. So perhaps it isn't a question of where the water went, but where it came from.

What would make water come up out of the ground? The only thing I can think of is heat. Here is an etching from the Mayan Flood account on the other side of the world from Egypt. The Mayans also believed in the "myth" of the flood and also built pyramids.



[edit on 3-10-2008 by letthereaderunderstand]

Originally posted by dave420
reply to post by letthereaderunderstand

 

Using your logic, no-one can possibly be a Christian, because they weren't there 2,008 years ago. See how ridiculous that is?

Your Right. As it is written, "Almost the whole world shall be deceived, if possible even the elect, yet for there sakes I shall shorten the days".

Again, "there shall be so few left, that a child can count them".

Peace

Originally posted by dave420
reply to post by letthereaderunderstand

 

Noah traveled all around the world building pyramids? Do you know how long it takes to build a pyramid? Do you also know that none of the records of the time speak of massive floods that killed all the slaves that just build the pyramids? Do you know that even if the arks/arcs were pyramids, there still isn't enough space in all of them to fit all the animals (2xunclean, 7xclean)?

It still doesn't make the slightest shred of sense. It seems, in my humble opinion, that you are trying to shoe-horn your beliefs into the history of the world, without a thought for the existing historical accounts of the time - at least not the ones that don't agree with your hypothesis.

You might want to do a little research. According to Zahi Hawass, slaves weren't used to build the pyramids. Using logic do you really think slaves had the know how to be master stonemasons cutting stones with almost laser precision?

In addition to the many hypotheses about the techniques involved, there are also disagreements as to the kind of workforce used. One hypothesis, suggested by the Greeks, suggests that the workforce was slaves who were forced to work until the pyramid was done. This hypothesis is no longer widely accepted in the modern era. Archaeologists now believe the Great Pyramid of Giza at least was built by tens of thousands of skilled workers who camped near the pyramids and worked for a salary or as a form of tax payment (levee) until the construction was completed. Worker's cemeteries were discovered in 1990 by archaeologists Zahi Hawass and Mark Lehner.

All the animals on one boat would be impossible or in one pyramid, but if you are only taking 7 pair of the deemed "Clean" animals and 2 pair of the deemed unclean animals, with the different locations all over the planet for the pyramids then yes, you could fit them, yet it wasn't animals that were being taken anyway, but you would have to read the scripts in the languages they were written in to understand that, so until then, it remains a story to you and is illogical.

I would see it the same way as you, unless I had searched through the original languages. How many people do you think do that? Why do you think that the Jews don't evangelize, while Christians do? They believe in the same God ultimately right? If so, then the same charge goes to both, so why is it only Christians who do. I've never had a Jew tell me "Get saved".

I know Jesus is the main component they are spreading, but they believe that God is over Jesus, so why aren't the Jews, if they reject Jesus, not setting the record strait about God. Something to hide maybe? Something they know about, but don't even have to work to hide perhaps? You be the judge.

Peace

I'm an evolutionist. However, since I wasn't around at the time, I'll give every theory an equal amount of attention. But I'm still 99.9% certain that evolution is fact.

I am also 99.9% certain that putting T-Rex on the Ark is a bad idea. If T-Rex was on the Ark, 99.9% of all the creatures on the Ark (including Noah) would've been lunch. Yet, those creatures survived whereas T-Rex is conspicuously absent.

Just picture it for a second...I mean where are you going to put it? Where are you going to put both T-Rexes (two of each, remember)?

"Just stick them downstairs with the aardvarks. They'll be fine."

The T-Rex was so crazy even Spielberg's computer generated ones were out of control.

Noah was good, don't get me wrong. But he wasn't THAT good!

Originally posted by DarthChrisious
I'm an evolutionist. However, since I wasn't around at the time, I'll give every theory an equal amount of attention. But I'm still 99.9% certain that evolution is fact.

I am also 99.9% certain that putting T-Rex on the Ark is a bad idea. If T-Rex was on the Ark, 99.9% of all the creatures on the Ark (including Noah) would've been lunch. Yet, those creatures survived whereas T-Rex is conspicuously absent.

Just picture it for a second...I mean where are you going to put it? Where are you going to put both T-Rexes (two of each, remember)?

"Just stick them downstairs with the aardvarks. They'll be fine."

The T-Rex was so crazy even Spielberg's computer generated ones were out of control.

Noah was good, don't get me wrong. But he wasn't THAT good!

That is really funny...God would opened the door and been like "REEEEXXXX!!!!" "What did you do?"....with rex batting his eyes all couy...."I'm tarry"....."burp"...smile pearly whites or pinks I should say....
Thanks for the visual...I'm still laughing.

Peace

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so then you don't think teh earth is round?

You also don't think the earth is floating in space...because that is what the bible says

tell me........how did people in 2000BC know that the earth was round?