Islamic Injustice on ATS

What ever happened to men like that?
Where did they go?
The Jeffersons, Washingtons, Lincolns.....We sure miss you..

Dana2006

Ffirst of all, it really makes me sick when self-centered ignorant american preaches others, second, Please Mr. Blaine , try to read these quotes from "THE ISRAEL LOBBY AND U.S. FOREIGN POLICY" working paper by John J. Mearsheimer andStephen M. Walt .

This has nothing to do with what I was saying. Sounds as though you hate anyone who does not believe it is OK to kill innocents in the name of religion. I do not lump honest, decent Palestinians in with the terrorists. Terrorists are common criminals, no matter what country they come from. Even those that are Americans. We have terrorists here as well. They form gangs like the Cripps and the Bloods and they kill our children with drugs and drive by shootings.
I worked with a Palestinian for two years in the US who left to get away from the nut cases. He was a wonderful person and I valued his friendship. I believe most Palestinians are probably great people. It’s the handful of criminals and those that protect them that I was referring to. Who are they kidding? If they did not have the Jews for a convenient target they would probably kill each other just like they are doing in Iraq. Evil is evil!

I think it is time for America to stop pissing away money and aid to any foreign country. Just to see what happens to some of the third wolrd nations. It won't take long before we'll have the beggars at the front gate with their hands out.
Me, personally, I wouldn't mind seeing a world devoid of christian, jewish and islamic faith. Your gods are not going to save you! Get over it. If islamic extremism is allowed to go on there will be another dark age. Looking at the track record with the islamic faith in recent years it seems to me that it cannot adapt to a changing and evolving world. The same can be said about christians and jews alike that hold their old wives tales above all else.
Dana5134, or whatever your name is. I think you need to stop perpetuating the fallacy that "zionists" run the American government. It makes you sound like a simple minded fool. Do you understand anything about a world economy? When you finally do then you can argue about how bad America is to the rest of the world.
The Jeffersons, they moved on up... I am not sure about the Washingtons or the Lincolns.

Originally posted by police_officer339
In reference to DANA2006, I give up...

Thats right...you won me over, you are 100% correct in all that you say about us evil westerners.

In fact your so right that as it was our obvious greed and slaughter of the weak and innocent that has bestowed upon us the greatest, most powerful nation the world has ever seen. And as we are that nation, and your so correct about our obvious EVIL intentions that I vote that we just NUKE the entire middle east, (As we would do if you were correct in your description of us), turn it into a sheet of glass, kill every Muslim there, drill for our own oil so gas goes to 50 cents a gallon and never have to worry about another 9/11, suicide bombing, moron with a flag and lighter or car bomb.

But we wont do that, no, because we are AMERICANS, and we will continue to put up with beheadings and believe that democracy will win. We will continue to listen to idiots talk about wiping a country off the face of the earth and believe in our hearts that they too can have flush toilets and toilet paper, 3 meals a day, water for their feet and schools for their children. In fact we will even build their schools in Iraq while Our children die in roadside bombings. we will build water plants while they kidnap construction workers and cut off their heads. No sorry DANA2006, the rational mind is the trained eyeglass to the world and you are so very twisted.
But what the hey, lets just show them how very powerful we are, shouldn't take more than 10% of our arsenal to kill 90% of the population. Because we are the most powerful, successful and rich nation the world has ever experienced. We wont do that. And thats because we are AMERICA and we care.

Strawman arguement at best.
Those construction workers aren't there to do charity. Neither are the Water Plant builders. These are business projects, awarded to organisations/countries who were included in the coalition of the willing, and not anyone outside. You get political clout in the region under question AFTER you go invade it. That brings an economic monopoly in the region, by which you benefit. No wonder you're so rich. And now you crib that Asians working harder, faster, longer at cheaper costs are robbing you of your 'market'.

Invading the 'region': for what? WMDs.. too bad that ain't working no more..
regime change? To what ?? A civil unrest that claims 50+ ppl everyday. Don't tell me that it would've happened anyway. Saddam ruled with a iron fist, true.. nobody dared oppose him, true.. But he was secular. Iraq was one of the most westerenised countries in the Middleeast before the gulf war.

Its like you're trying to burn a forest and plant saplings in it at the same time.

I don't know about americans, many are decent folk and I'm not judging the ppl by foreign policies.

American policy for the last half century has cared for not much more than itself. I'm not saying that's wrong. Every country strives to do that. But lets not get ahead of ourselves and claim we're doing charity work. I can bet you that out of every 50 USAID workers, at least 3-4 of them are not there for Aid distributing purposes.You have CIA field agents, lobbyists etc. etc. The intelligence agencies of all countries know this as a fact.

gotta love those CIA aid workers

As I read the entire thread through, I have found many interesting things to ponder over.

For the anti-Islam proponents: Are your comments guided by misplaced rage (or perhaps nationalist or pro-Christianity stances) afforded by what happened on 9/11? Are you simply buying into what propaganda our American government is supposedly using to fuel support for the war in Iraq?

Because as I read more and more of the "terrorist" or "anti-Islamic" threads, it seems that if your argument is not only placed upon venting anger against the islamic countries themselves. And if it isn't the countries, then the virulent attack falls upon the people.

Which is it? What is the single thing that bothers you the most so you can work it out and leave others in peace?

And if you are arguing about religion, then you are almost saying that Islam does not have a right to exist and Christianity does. I just wonder, for all you good Christians out there, does the term "Pharisees" ring a bell?

QuietSoul, I applaud your efforts for trying to address this situation. It makes me sad that all of this time is spent on ad hominem attacks, when much more time could be devoted to making the world a better place. Or, trying to clean up our government in America.




[edit on 21-4-2006 by ceci2006]

Originally posted by ceci2006

And if you are arguing about religion, then you are almost saying that Islam does not have a right to exist and Christianity does. I just wonder, for all you good Christians out there, does the term "Pharisees" ring a bell?

[edit on 21-4-2006 by ceci2006]

I'm an atheist so religion has no bearing on my comments. My bias has nothing more to it than the death of innocent (for the third time) men, women and children, on both sides of the conflict. i'm a father of four, how can i possibly differentiate between christian kids and muslim. No one wins! My argument concerns the perpetuation of violence. And the apparent disregard for innocent human lives that certain people have had on this thread.
All of us that hold life dear( which i would have thought covers both religions , but apparently not!) hope for peace. violence is the concern of those who's rhetoric has no basis in fact. retaliation is the answer for those who's facts are rhetoric!
The answer lies not in faith but in the denial of ignorance something which this site proclaims as the truth, and in which i agree wholeheartedly.

Cheers
M4S

[edit on 22/4/06 by mojo4sale]

Originally posted by sammael

Me, personally, I wouldn't mind seeing a world devoid of christian, jewish and islamic faith. Your gods are not going to save you! Get over it. If islamic extremism is allowed to go on there will be another dark age. Looking at the track record with the islamic faith in recent years it seems to me that it cannot adapt to a changing and evolving world. The same can be said about christians and jews alike that hold their old wives tales above all else.

This is quite brilliant. You see the problem for me is not what Islam preaches but the fact that it preaches in general. See what im saying? A world without religion is like a computer without a virus. Religions do nothing but hold people back from developing as a thriving and cooperative global unit.

3 or 4 are cia?
well I certainly hope so..Thats what my tax dollars are paying for.
You say the construction people are making MONEY!!!! Those evil capitalist pigs!!!
I mean what are they thinking...making money doing what they do....arrrgggghhh
And what was established in regards to WMDs...Oh yea, the tapes that were found....they were shipped to Syria and Lebanon...oh but that was probably a plant by the Zionist construction workers or possibly the CIA relief workers..HMMMMMM...Conspiracy within conspiracy....but thats what this is all about...
I still can't get over people wanting to make money...WHAT are they thinking..are they trying to improve their lives or something silly like that.

Originally posted by Ruggeder

Your unparralelled hatred of jews and western civilization will always prevent you from seeing anything but the redness of hatred.

either you are stupid or you don't want to understand what I am saying. for thousands of times, I explained on this thread and others, that I and all arabs and muslims , don't hate jews or westerners, we hate and condemn their governments' immoral policies in the middleast. we hate when americans vote for a crazy man like bush, we hate when 80 % of americans cheer for bush's endeavors in middleast to occupy arab and muslim countries using false excuses. we hate when america vetos every UN resolution against Israeli crimes and atrocities in plaestine.

I really wish some people from the middle east would rise up and destroy all of the people there that think like you so that your countries can get back on track, and the saddest part of all is that that is the only way I can see the situation being resolved, since deplomacy hasn't worked for 100's of years. I wish you could change in the future.

See, this attitude and twisted set of mind of yours and other westerners, breed violence and terrorism. you wish to slaughter all arabs and muslims, to resolve the situation, do you think that you are sacred and don't deserve to be killed, but muslims and arabs should be slaughtered like sheep? what deplomacy? you occupy arab and muslim land and exploit their resources, and you expect deplomacy to succeed?

dana2006
HUH????
Do you really believe all that drivel...???
If so then I am sorry for your state of mind.

Dana2006, so the governments of the middle-east don't have anything to do with their own resources? Or is it that somebody besides you has the money from those resources?

Originally posted by mojo4sale

Firstly neither myself or the majority of australians sent our troops to the middle east or believed that we should have been involved, our govt made that decision,

I though that Australia is a democratic country, how come that australian troops are fighting in Iraq , afgahnistan and east-timor, withot any authorization at least from the Parliament?

but that apparently means we must all be guilty therefore kill the innocents, which, surprise! surprise! will only foster more hatred and resentment from many australians who were starting to question our govt's involvement.

we feel the same, when bunch of arab and muslim extremists kill some people (they killed more arabs and muslims than westerners), and the west accuse all arab and muslims of being criminals and barbarians, and when westerners depict islam as a relegion of violence and hatred.

Secondly you need to get your facts straight regarding east timor, i have a friend from east timor who is now living in australia, i suggest you ask someone who was living their about their treatment at the hands of the indonesian govt. These people were indigineous to east timor and would have ended up being exterminated.

You need also to get your facts straight, may be you are right that indonesian government used violent tactics in that region, but it's internal affair. when someone discusses with you the russian genocide in chechnya for the last 300 years, you answer will be as all westerners- it's pure russian internal affair, we can't interfere. you know why ? even that you know chechnya, never was a part of russia, chechens are from totally different ethnic race, with different language and different religion. you insist to shut your eyes and cover your ears, and pretend that everything is going well in chechnya, because chechens are muslims, they are not the chosen people or christians, so brave australian troops can protect them like christian indonisians.

I dont disagree that the west has alot to answer for, nor does that discount the fact that islamic fanatics target innocent men, women and children through acts of terrorism in the name of.......GOD.

when you stop your barbaric policies and atrocities in the middle east , and return all occupied lands to palestinians and iraqis, the fanatics will not find anyone to support them and they will disappear in no time, because western wrong actions give them a cuase to kill people .

Originally posted by police_officer339


But we wont do that, no, because we are AMERICANS, and we will continue to put up with beheadings and believe that democracy will win.

In fact we will even build their schools in Iraq while Our children die in roadside bombings. we will build water plants while they kidnap construction workers and cut off their heads.

No sorry DANA2006, the rational mind is the trained eyeglass to the world and you are so very twisted.

Because we are the most powerful, successful and rich nation the world has ever experienced. We wont do that. And thats because we are AMERICA and we care.

NOBODY BELIEVES THIS AMERICAN CRAP. WHAT DEMOCRACY?! WHAT CONSTRUCTION?! YOU CARE ...HA... WHAT A CRAP.

Originally posted by Blaine91555

This has nothing to do with what I was saying. Sounds as though you hate anyone who does not believe it is OK to kill innocents in the name of religion.

I dare you to read " THE ISRAEL LOBBY AND U.S. FOREIGN POLICY " working paper, but it seems that most americans are afraid to do that , because they think that they betray the chosen people by god. 

It’s the handful of criminals and those that protect them that I was referring to. Who are they kidding? If they did not have the Jews for a convenient target they would probably kill each other just like they are doing in Iraq. Evil is evil!

israeli injustice breeds terrorism. when israel ends its atrocities, and return the occupied land for palestinians, fanatism will disappear. you create the evil by your wrong policies and deeds in the middleeast, and you complain, what a hypocracy and arrogance.

Originally posted by police_officer339

dana2006

HUH????
Do you really believe all that drivel...???
If so then I am sorry for your state of mind.

I feel sorry for your stubborn *mod edit* mind, you know the facts and the right from the wrong, and you insist on repeating typical western stereotypes. you need therapy, I mean it.

[edit on 24-4-2006 by Amuk]

Originally posted by sammael
I think it is time for America to stop pissing away money and aid to any foreign country. Just to see what happens to some of the third wolrd nations. It won't take long before we'll have the beggars at the front gate with their hands out.

FYI, most third world countries receive a few dollars from the US, the main beneficiary of the US aid is ISRAEL, so you are right , it's about time , to stop pumping billions of dollars to israel annually(which comes from YOUR TAX MONEY) let's see who's the real beggar?

"Israel usually receives roughly one third of the entire foreign aid budget, despite the fact that Israel comprises less than .001 of the worldÿs population and already has one of the world's higher per capita incomes. In other words, Israel, a country of approximately 6 million people, is currently receiving more U.S. aid than all of Africa, Latin America and the Caribbean combined.

Dana5134, or whatever your name is. I think you need to stop perpetuating the fallacy that "zionists" run the American government. It makes you sound like a simple minded fool. Do you understand anything about a world economy? When you finally do then you can argue about how bad America is to the rest of the world.

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yes I understand about the world economy, and I know for sure that it is controlled by jews and zionists hundreds of years ago. ask yourself why Hitler started the war in europe. in the world warI, why germany lost the war? who was behind their defeat?

Read this please Mr sammael, whatever your name is:

The declaration, a typed letter signed in ink by Balfour, reads as follows:
External Source

Foreign Office
November 2nd, 1917

Dear Lord Rothschild,

I have much pleasure in conveying to you, on behalf of His Majesty's Government, the following declaration of sympathy with Jewish Zionist aspirations which has been submitted to, and approved by, the Cabinet.

"His Majesty's Government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country."

I should be grateful if you would bring this declaration to the knowledge of the Zionist Federation.

Yours sincerely, Arthur James Balfour

Karl Rothschild – (son of Amschel Rothschild) was a 33 degree Freemason who helped author the Practical Code of Rules; Guide for the Heads of the Highest Grades of Masonry in 1818. This reference revealed over 10,000 well known Freemasons as being Jewish-Freemasons.

Other Rothschild Brothers:

James Meyer Rothschild was Karl’s brother was also a 33 degree Mason in the Scottish Rite in Paris.

Nathan Meyer Rothschild was a 33 degree Mason and he was a member of the Lodge of Emulation

Solomon Meir Rothschild was a 33 degree Jewish Freemason

Baron de Rothschild was another French 33 degree Jewish Freemason.

Lionel de Rothschild still another French 33 degree Jewish Freemason

Max Rothschild a Freemason (Lodge No. 11, Munich, Germany)

A few other well known Jewish-Freemasons:

Mazzini the founder of the Italian mafia was also a 33 degree Freemason

Karl Marx was also a 33 degree Freemason

Stalin was a 33 degree Freemason

Churchill and Roosevelt were also Zionist 33 degree Masons

Dana, I understand your hatred for the United States but isnt it curious that we have the capability of force to solve our problems and you have the capabilities nothing? See we have two different opinions here.. You want the zionist regime destroyed and we want the Islamic agenda destroyed.

Now.. pay attention heres the clincher. OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE TWO DIFFERENT AGENDAS HERE BUT! (and this is a big but) We actually have the means to accomplish our goals.

I mean.. Maybe if Iran and Iraq woke up and joined the 21'st century with the rest of the world you wouldnt have to be constantly bending over to Islam and the US.

Nobody cares about injustice anymore, get over it! If you want to make a stand as a country start researching technology and stop acting like cavemen praying five times a day to a god who you cant prove is real.

WOW!!!!
I got an ALL CAPS RESPONSE...
Must be that NONVIOLENT MUSLIM RESPONSE.....coming out huh????

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Originally posted by nephyx
Dana, I understand your hatred for the United States.

This thread gave me a solid evidence that 99% of americans are stupid like their president. I mentioned hundreds of times that we don't hate americans, we hate US GOVERNMENT'S IMMORAL POLICIES IN MIDDLEEAST,

but isnt it curious that we have the capability of force to solve our problems and you have the capabilities nothing? .

You are right, you have the capabilities, but you can't solve your problems, I will give you some examples, you lost in Vietnam, you lost your battle with Castro, you couldn't complete a simple mission to free hostages in Iran , what about your humilated defeat in somalia, what about the quagmire in Iraq and Afghanistan, and let's see what can you do for Iranins in the next few days. the same Scenario , occupy a foriegn country in one week then eating sh***** for many years, and start blaming each other.
Allow me to say that you don't solve any problem, you create problems, using your selfish, short sighted tactics. you need badly great presidents with universal vision, like Kennedy and Izenhaur inorder to liberate the US from jewish and zionists bad influence.

[ See we have two different opinions here.. You want the zionist regime destroyed and we want the Islamic agenda destroyed.

you created the lie of islamic agenda, muslims don't have any secret agenda, muslims just want to live in peace,and want you to stop interfering in their internal affairs. on the contrary, zionists are the ones who have secret agendas, so direct your great destroying machine "that you are proud of" to destroy the zionism.

I mean.. Maybe if Iran and Iraq woke up and joined the 21'st century with the rest of the world you wouldnt have to be constantly bending over to Islam and the US.

if you let both countries alone, and stop interfering in their affairs, they can join the 21'st century with the rest of the world.

Nobody cares about injustice anymore, get over it! .

If nobody is caring about injustice, why westerners keep repeating in the last 50 years that they are determined to establish a jewish state in middle of arab world, becuse germans slaughterd them, and that you want to compensate them by giving them palestinian land, because the holocaust was injustice. what happend to jews was injustice and arabs should pay the price. and western atrocities in middle east are not injustice. what kind of sick logic is this?

If you want to make a stand as a country start researching technology and stop acting like cavemen praying five times a day to a god who you cant prove is real.

I think it is none of your business of we pray 10 times. and who thinks that "Nobody cares about injustice anymore, get over it" is the CAVEMAN.