Islamic Injustice on ATS

Well, I for one think the "they took our land" argument is baloney. Islam took Turkey, Egypt, Palestine, and all of North Africa from Christians, and did it breaking peace treaties and other heinous acts, genociding everybody they encountered. Welcome to the club. This has nothing to do with land, it's just that tiny Israel is a nice boulder against certain ambitions the Mullahs and other Islamic leaders have.

Want people to stop thinking all Islam is terrorists? Then speak out against those that are! Funny how Muslims love to say we are being racial/prejudice but never a foul word about suicide bombings, flag burning, embassy bombing etc.

You will even speak out aginst my rant, but never a word about Hamas, Al-Quada or teh Taliban, well not unsolicited. Thats the problem, you all have much to say when we westerners speak out in defence and outrage at PEOPLE being blown up, tortured, decapitated, you may even mildly condemn the terrorists. Yet where is YOUR initial outrage at terrorist acts? Why are you not speaking out as readily as we are if you do not truly condone or secretly accept what is going on?

Spend less time speaking out against those speaking out against terror and more time speaking out against terror and maybe we will start to believe you.

Originally posted by police_officer339
Want people to stop thinking all Islam is terrorists? Then speak out against those that are! Funny how Muslims love to say we are being racial/prejudice but never a foul word about suicide bombings, flag burning, embassy bombing etc.

You will even speak out aginst my rant, but never a word about Hamas, Al-Quada or teh Taliban, well not unsolicited. Thats the problem, you all have much to say when we westerners speak out in defence and outrage at PEOPLE being blown up, tortured, decapitated, you may even mildly condemn the terrorists. Yet where is YOUR initial outrage at terrorist acts? Why are you not speaking out as readily as we are if you do not truly condone or secretly accept what is going on?

Spend less time speaking out against those speaking out against terror and more time speaking out against terror and maybe we will start to believe you.

There is a point here allthough i believe there are bad people everywhere in every religeon and every place .
We are all equal however it is sad that a group or groups muck it up for the rest of there community in all places .

Omega

OK I might have muddled the point a little. HA HA HA

lol
Its ok dude , everyone has there own opinion and i respect that totally .
It is a shame though about everyone being blamed for someone elses mistakes.
I grew up with two sisters so i know how that is lol even if its on a smaller scale.

Omega

Yea one sister myself.

It's hard not to be emotional about somethings especially when you've been there. (Lebanon 1982/83)

But, I try to be as nonprejudicial as possible, especially with my position.

I guess that outside things and positions can influence us greatly nomatter to what extent .

Originally posted by IAF101
Let me just say that, if you want more people to see your faith in better light it has to stand up and act against its own people. The mullah's, the imams etc all have to stand up and vehemently criticise these proponents. The civilised values of negotiation, rule of law, value of human life and above all tolerance for other faiths is a must.

You shouldnt ask other people to change, there is a problem with a group of people in your religion, you should start by asking them to change and embrace peace and the way of the prophet before you ask all Westerners to not criticise Islam. You cant bear the criticism what makes you think the West will happily bear the deaths of its citizens ?

I tired of listening to the same platitudes, "Islam is not a relgion of terror" etc, why dont you tell that to the jihadis and the al-Qaeda terrorists ?? Why dont you teach that in the madrassas and in your Friday prayers to all your people ?? Why dont you hand over those muslims that are involved in such activites of spreading such propaganda to the police ???

Dont ask others to change when you refuse to change yourselves !

You still don't get the point, do you?
The mullahs and imams don't dictate Islam's intentions, they interpret them most often with personal bias. Same with all the other religions.
Islam has nothing to do with Madrassas which preach hate, or Imams who preach violence at Friday prayers. Islam has nothing to do with politics, oil, American involvement in the MiddleEast since the 70s etc..etc..
All this has hijacked Islam. moderate/tolerant practice is the true essence of all religions. Any fanaticism cannot survive for long as it is always opposed by fanaticism of the opposing kind, and that eventually leads to a climax resulting in riots, war conflict etc.. etc..

You have an interesting point . but due to them doing that , thats what makes people feel the way they do .

omega

Originally posted by Ruggeder

It is the hieght of ignorance to use this as a defence of a people that are the defenition of uncivilized barbarians in every sense of the word. Every people had to kill the indiginous people to get there land. Americans, italians, greeks, japanese, Spain, several african countries, and India, and several middle eastern countries. It's over with, people only bring it up when they've run out of idea's, and there ignorance has made them desperate.

Mr. Ruggeder,

Finally, you revealed your ugly reality and twisted logic. westerners (including you) keep talking about ethics, civilization , morals...etc and accuse arabs and muslims of being barbaric, uncivilized,...etc.

"Every people had to kill the indiginous people to get there land"
these are your words, not mine, or any other muslim or arab. who's the barbaric, criminal, and uncivilized now?? you really disgust me.

They should, your blowing them up in there land, and I don't care when you lost it, if it was ever yours or not, it's done, OVER, stop pretending it's still yours and blowing up innocent people because it is meaningless, you only hurt yourself.

what? palestine is not a jewish land. I quote this paragraph from -THE ISRAEL LOBBY AND U.S. FOREIGN POLICY -Working Paper by John J. Mearsheimer and Stephen M. Walt John F. Kennedy.
 

"When political Zionism began in earnest in the late 19th century, there were only about 15,000 Jews in Palestine. In 1893, for example,
the Arabs comprised roughly 95 percent of the population,
and though under Ottoman control, they had been in continuous possession of this territory for 1300 years. Even when Israel was founded, Jews were only about 35 percent of Palestine’s population and owned 7 percent of the land."

first of all, jews are a relegion followers not a nation like arabs and palestenians. second, the real jews were only a few thousands and were living among arabs for thousands of years in peace.third,Israelis who call themselves jews are a mix of russian ,east european and african beggars, who were convinced by israeli government to become israeli citizens and have all the priviliges , in return they pretend they are jews.fourth, real jews are against establishing a jewish state, zionist and jewish americans are behind establishing this sham state, for their own reasons, and you can find about these reasons when you visit other threads on ATS, which are about secret societies and NWO.

And believe me it is NOT OVER, Crusaders occupied arab and muslim land for hundreds of years, and thought that tho holy land became yours, then came Salah Al-Deen and kick their butts out of arab land, before crusaders tha same thing happened with romans, monguls, etc. We are (Muslims and arabs) very patient.

If the native americans decided to start doing this, we would kill every last man woman and child of there race, I garuantee it. .

I am sure of that, but unfortunately you already did that, and you slaughtered millions of them.and you can't find enough native americans for the second genocide. I am glad that everybody can comprehend how low and immoral are westerners.

Isreal should do the same, but WE hold them off from doing it. The jews don't run this country no matter what the koran tells you, WE run isreal, they exist because we allow them too, we are the only thing that keeps them there without global conflict. So grow up, get over it, take the country there willing to give you and make it great .

Never argue that what Quran says is wrong. You, yourself is a great example of how jews are controlling the whole western world ,
you say what jews dictate to you, you are simply puppets for jews, and Quran said that before 14 centuries. If you don't believe quran go and read "THE ISRAEL LOBBY AND U.S. FOREIGN POLICY -Working Paper " which is written by 2 of the best american scholars.

if you jsut stopped being animals and took the country you could work on being an amazing country.

Animals....ha ....I think who says "If the native americans decided to start doing this, we would kill every last man woman and child of there race, I garuantee it." is lower than animal, he is a pure wicked creature who doesn't deserve to be called a human being.

, but instead you reject peace in favor of violence, like your people always have.

What peace? the Israeli version of peace? give us your whole land without any conditions, and we will bring all the beggars and criminals from everywhere and call them -poor jews the chosen people by god and westerners- and give them your land. Don't ever open your mouth or resist, because it is your fate to loose your land .

Before islam destroyed the middle east ..

You prove once again how ignorant you are. read what Islam did to arabs and the whole world, Read this :

Carly Fiorina, the CEO of Hewlett Packard, recently she gave a speech defining the relevance of leadership in today's world. Here is the quote from the final part of her speech.


"I'll end by telling a story. There was once a civilization that was the greatest in the world. It was able to create a continental super-state that stretched from ocean to ocean, and from northern climes to tropics and deserts. Within its dominion lived hundreds of millions of people, of different creeds and ethnic origins. One of its languages became the universal language of much of the world, the bridge between the peoples of a hundred lands. Its armies were made up of people of many nationalities, and its military protection allowed a degree of peace and prosperity that had never been known. The reach of this civilization's commerce extended from Latin America to China, and everywhere in between.

And this civilization was driven more than anything, by invention. Its architects designed buildings that defied gravity. Its mathematicians created the algebra and algorithms that would enable the building of computers, and the creation of encryption. Its doctors examined the human body, and found new cures for disease. Its astronomers looked into the heavens, named the stars, and paved the way for space travel and exploration. Its writers created thousands of stories. Stories of courage, romance and magic. Its poets wrote of love, when others before them were too steeped in fear to think of such things.

When other nations were afraid of ideas, this civilization thrived on them, and kept them alive. When censors threatened to wipe out knowledge from past civilizations, this civilization kept the knowledge alive, and passed it on to others.

While modern Western civilization shares many of these traits, the civilization I'm talking about was the ISLAMIC WORLD from the year 800 to 1600, which included the Ottoman Empire and the courts of Baghdad, Damascus and Cairo, and enlightened rulers like Suleiman the Magnificent. Although we are often unaware of our indebtedness to this other civilization, its gifts are very much a part of our heritage. The technology industry would not exist without the contributions of ARAB mathematicians. Sufi poet-philosophers like Rumi challenged our notions of self and truth. Leaders like Suleiman contributed to our notions of tolerance and civic leadership.

And perhaps we can learn a lesson from his example: It was leadership based on meritocracy, not inheritance. It was leadership that harnessed the full capabilities of a very diverse population-that included Christianity, Islamic, and Jewish traditions. This kind of enlightened leadership
- leadership that nurtured culture, sustainability, diversity and courage - led to 800 years of invention and prosperity.

In dark and serious times like this, we must affirm our commitment to building societies and institutions that aspire to this kind of greatness. More than ever, we must focus on the importance of leadership- bold acts of leadership and decidedly personal acts of leadership."

You said :

there was a time when the arab men and women lived in equality, and there mathamaticians were considered teh finest in the world, and there people were considered wise and fair, there knowledge was sought by the west and teh great indian nation that existed at the same time .

Yes you are right, then zionist westerners from Napoleon to Balfour to Churchil to Trumann to Bushes, came to middle east and started to give promises to jews, read this:

Foreign Office
November 2nd, 1917

Dear Lord Rothschild,

I have much pleasure in conveying to you, on behalf of His Majesty's Government, the following declaration of sympathy with Jewish Zionist aspirations which has been submitted to, and approved by, the Cabinet.

"His Majesty's Government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country."

I should be grateful if you would bring this declaration to the knowledge of the Zionist Federation.

Yours sincerely, Arthur James Balfour

who gave these zionist the right to steal arab land and give it to a relegion followers, because one of their leaders dreamed that god promised to give them a land, what a nonesense! this kind of injustice created the whole mess in the middleeast and destroyed a whole nation (palestinians). zionist westerners and jews plotted for hundreds of years to establish a jewish state in palestine. they destroyed a whole islamic civilization inorder to establish this sham state.

I would love to go to egypt and to the place where the sumerians lived, but I will never be able to go there in my life, thanks to people like you. The people that do this have destroyed a once great people, a once great nation, and have robbed the world of possible great minds that could have given us breakthroughs in who knows what. Wells trap a bomb on a 15 year old, he doesnt have to grow up and cure cancer, he can screw his virgins in hell.

Return occupied lands for palestenians and Iraqis, stop your atrocities in arab and islamic world, then you can visit egypt , iraq even saudi arabia.

your wrong foreign policy in middleeast creates terrorism, western atrocities and injustice create terrorism.

You destroyed once great civilization of more than 1 billion muslims for the sake of 20 million zionists who call themselves jews.

by dana2006Return occupied lands for palestenians and Iraqis, stop your atrocities in arab and islamic world, then you can visit egypt , iraq even saudi arabia.

Its a circle of hate! returning palestinian land! return Saddam to power! Islamic terrorists arent going to stop, they want to destroy the western way of life. The west , led by the US will continue to retaliate. Who suffers, mostly innocent men, women and children who are just trying to get by. What atrocities did australian troops commit to deserve the death of hundreds of innocent people in Bali! Violence breeds retaliation.

Originally posted by IAF101
Thats like saying; one pedophile allowed go about molesting a dozen children doesnt mean that the community failed, its only when there are thousands of them that the community has failed ! Does that make any sense ?
Yes, if you allow one madman to go around preaching, be it to a dozen or half a dozen, preaching nonetheless in the open, then the community has allowed this to take place and thus has failed in its duty! Its not like this imam had some underground cult meeting up in peoples basements did he, he was preaching in the mosques, in fact he was the head of a mosque ! Can we see this as anything other than an utter and complete failure, especially when you claim that the moslem community is out in arms against radical elements?
It takes one terrorist to discredit Islam, how many terrorists do you think are out there ?

If the Imam owns the mosque and is preaching hate, there isnt much anyone can do but not show up in at that mosque. Legally it's like his house and he can do anything he wants but with the new anti-terror laws it only takes a few to report him. But I think most of the hate preaching Imams either left the country or faced prison just like that Hamza guy.

Originally posted by IAF101
You've said that Moslems have been trying to prevent radicalizm since before 9/11 and yet you have had no appreciable sucesses in preventing a disaster through the intervention of the moslem community or any such. But in the US, there are many moslems here that have informed the FBI about suspected terrorist activites by those they meet in the mosque, I think my previous post gives this example. But similar instances dont seem to happen in Britain where the moslem community is much more concentrated and withdrawn from the community at large and thus this cloistered environment seems to breed a sense of comfort. The fact that a fellow moslem's wouldnt snitch on the terrorist elements withing their community even though their nation's security might compramized and thus feel free to go about their business un-hindered.
This is what is happening and that is why teenage kids have the ability not only to make bombs and carry out a plan but also the motivation to go and blow themselves up. The amount of resources, information, planning, support from others and more importantly hate they must have had to carry out such an act is a sure measure of the true effectiveness of the "moslem peace campaign".
Remeber, people will judge you by the results you acheive, just like in any other situation and if you fail to deliver you must be prepared for the flak.

We both can only assume wheter an British Muslim ever prevented an disaster, for all we know a 19 year old ahmed managed to have a terrorist mindset which worried his family and friends and they ended up warning the authorities or convince him to change his mind and might have been succesfull.

If they did, do you think they would go to the nearest news station and hold a conference saying they prevented a terrorist attack which would do more harm than good anyway.

This article recently posted by Times shows that Muslim students are being 'taught to despise unbelievers as filth', the good thing is that the Students dont wanna stand for it and are reporting this and even protesting against it.

Btw I know that in the US, Muslims are alot more intergrated but I'm glad to hear that they are making a difference as you point out.

Originally posted by IAF101
The link above is actualy an american-moslem, as in an American first and moslem second, thus showing allegiance to the US and its values.

Why should I think you have done something like this ? Why should I think moslems are doing this? There hasnt been any magical drop in terrorism nor has there been any news where moslem leaders have turned over their own to the police as terrorists! Why should I think any different of you ?

I'm thought we were talking about Muslims as a whole of not doing enough to prevent terrorism. Not just British Muslims.

Originally posted by IAF101
Well if crime keeps increasing and despite the "attempts" it goes unchecked then obviously it is a failure. Similarly, the moslem communities attempts are failures and have not checked or reduced the levels of terrorism in the world!
In the West where there is pressure on the moslem community to conform because we have the FBI, DHS, NSA etc keeping tabs on them to make them confrom to civilization but in the moslem nations there is no such pressure and thus they not only actively support but also celebrate the acheivements of terrorists!!

I'm sure the Muslim countries have their own anti-terrorism agencies and have their own terrorists to worry about and come down alot harder on those who support terrorism against their government rather than the rest of the world. Pakistan and Saudi Arabia for example.

Originally posted by IAF101
As I said, I take your word in good faith but these protests are more about showing "others" that islam isnt a "terrorist organization" rather than reflecting internally on the community level. These protests, as I have said earlier, are more a credibilty campaign than a drive to deal with terrorism.

True but only half of those links were protests, others were links that shows info about how Muslims fight back against terrorism by holding conferences, educating youths, holding stands, setting up communities etc. Anything to keep them away from AQ and co.

Originally posted by IAF101
If it makes you happy I can show you moslems burning flags on BBC, SKY news and I bet a thousand others. There is no shortage of the the outlets other than CNN and fox that show moslems burning flags etc. Obviously every community party cant make headlines on BBC but millions of moslems rioting and torching embassies does ! Thats just the way it works, the multitude wins always. Maybe if the multitude is some islamic country were protesting against radicals in their country then it would indeed make headlines and be appreciated as well but when the majority are tourching places you cant expect any better.

Thats unforunatly true but if the mainstream media hardly ever reports the good news once or twice the only thing it'll be doing is just adding fuel to the fire.
Sorta like how the Iraq war has been reported by the mainstream media for the past couple of years, alot of bad news and not enough good news but the answer to this is pretty much the same as you posted.

[edit on 20-4-2006 by shire19]

Originally posted by mojo4sale

Its a circle of hate! returning palestinian land! return Saddam to power! Islamic terrorists arent going to stop, they want to destroy the western way of life. The west , led by the US will continue to retaliate. Who suffers, mostly innocent men, women and children who are just trying to get by. What atrocities did australian troops commit to deserve the death of hundreds of innocent people in Bali! Violence breeds retaliation.

what western governments and Israelis are doing in the middleeast is a circle of hate and conspiracy. nobody believes this crap....

(Islamic terrorists arent going to stop, they want to destroy the western way of life. The west , led by the US will continue to retaliate. Who suffers, mostly innocent men, women and children who are just trying to get by)

RETALIATE....oh my god ...did Iraqis attack the US and flattened american cities? did Iraqis steel american oil and destroy their museums? did iraqis let the Mossad assasin all american Scientist ?did Iraqis use lies as an excuse to occupy the US? Did iraq give the US as a gift for jews to establish their own state?

It is not retaliation, it is AGGRESSION, OCCUPATION and BARBARISM.

Islamic terrorists arent going to stop, they want to destroy the western way of life.)

These are jewish and zionists media lies...wake up westerners, specially americans, you are puppets for your jewish and zionist masters . the only reason to attak iraq was to destroy one of israel's enemies, your boys were killed and have been killed everyday in iraq, just to please israelis. the cost of the war exceeded 1 trillion , who is paying for that? the poor israelis?bush is lying once again using the same excuse to attak another israeli enemy-Iran. who will die? who will pay?the same thing will happen with syria..etc.

Arabs and muslims are not your enemies. arab investments in the US exceeds 1 trillion dollars, how much did israelis invest in the US, on the contrary, they are blackmailing the whole world using the holocaust as an excuse. the US by itself pays them, directly, more than 10 billion annually, and uncpecific number of billions of dollars , indirectly. arabs pau hundreds of billions to buy your junk weapons, on the contray, you give israel the most advanced american weopons to israel, then israel sell these weapons to american futuristic nemesises like china, india,...etc.

What atrocities did australian troops commit to deserve the death of hundreds of innocent people in Bali! Violence breeds retaliation..)

I will tell you what poor australians did to muslims. first they participated in the Coalition forces in the first and secong gulf war, and took it's share in killing hundreds if iraqi civilians. I just want to know, who forced australians to send thier army to iraq and and participate in making this big mess in the middleeast?

The second reason, do you remember east taymour, itwas a part of Indonesia for thousands of years, but the majority of its population were indonesian christians. so the US and austrailia, decided suddenly to seperate this part if indonesia and establish an independent state for indonesian christians, imagine if Iraq or Saudi arabia decided to establish an independent state for muslim australians in the middle of australia. australians with the help of american plotted to cut ppart of islamic indonesia, and you don't expect any retaliation from muslims, you are stupid or naive?!

Violence breeds retaliation

you are wrong.......injustice breeds retaliation.....western hypocrisy, double-standards, Intolerance, Prejudice and barbarism breed retaliation from muslims.

RE: dana2006

Once again you missed the point with pointless propoganda and hatered, and it would be pointless, and as unfortunetly as pointless as dealings with your people, in hoping for you to see anything but what you want to see. Your unparralelled hatred of jews and western civilization will always prevent you from seeing anything but the redness of hatred. I really wish some people from the middle east would rise up and destroy all of the people there that think like you so that your countries can get back on track, and the saddest part of all is that that is the only way I can see the situation being resolved, since deplomacy hasn't worked for 100's of years. I wish you could change in the future.

Originally posted by dana2006

RETALIATE....oh my god ...did Iraqis attack the US and flattened american cities? did Iraqis steel american oil and destroy their museums? did iraqis let the Mossad assasin all american Scientist ?did Iraqis use lies as an excuse to occupy the US? Did iraq give the US as a gift for jews to establish their own state?
It is not retaliation, it is AGGRESSION, OCCUPATION and BARBARISM.

It is retaliation -from both sides, it has to be unless you can pinpoint the exact deed throughout history that started this whole cycle of hatred and violence.

Originally posted by dana2006
[I will tell you what poor australians did to muslims. first they participated in the Coalition forces in the first and secong gulf war, and took it's share in killing hundreds if iraqi civilians. I just want to know, who forced australians to send thier army to iraq and and participate in making this big mess in the middleeast?

The second reason, do you remember east taymour, itwas a part of Indonesia for thousands of years, but the majority of its population were indonesian christians. so the US and austrailia, decided suddenly to seperate this part if indonesia and establish an independent state for indonesian christians, imagine if Iraq or Saudi arabia decided to establish an independent state for muslim australians in the middle of australia. australians with the help of american plotted to cut ppart of islamic indonesia, and you don't expect any retaliation from muslims, you are stupid or naive?!

Firstly neither myself or the majority of australians sent our troops to the middle east or believed that we should have been involved, our govt made that decision, but that apparently means we must all be guilty therefore kill the innocents, which, surprise! surprise! will only foster more hatred and resentment from many australians who were starting to question our govt's involvement.

Secondly you need to get your facts straight regarding east timor, i have a friend from east timor who is now living in australia, i suggest you ask someone who was living their about their treatment at the hands of the indonesian govt. These people were indigineous to east timor and would have ended up being exterminated.

And no, im not stupid or naive, and neither do i have to resort to name calling to try and get my point across, i'll leave that to the desperate and uninformed!!

Originally posted by dana2006
you are wrong.......injustice breeds retaliation.....western hypocrisy, double-standards, Intolerance, Prejudice and barbarism breed retaliation from muslims.

I dont disagree that the west has alot to answer for, nor does that discount the fact that islamic fanatics target innocent men, women and children through acts of terrorism in the name of.......GOD.

Intolerance-your kidding right-some islamic regimes are the most intolerant govt's on the face of the earth.

Peace
M4S

(edit for some grammer-its early here).

[edit on 20/4/06 by mojo4sale]

As usual, I see Muslims praising the murder of civilians and comparing bombing a nightclub in Australia to the Gulf war. Gee keep it up, I always knew the Islam=peace thing was bogus all along, your just reconfirming it. Think about what your saying you idiots- your saying that bombing a nightclub full of innocent people spending their money in a Muslim country to improve living conditions is justified by a war being waged in another corner of the world. Truly, you deserve to be a third world dump completely incapable of harming your neighbors. You truly do, in fact you deserve worse since anybody praising terrorism is a terrorist and deserves to be locked up for the good of society. FINIS.

ps: Western double standards? so we don't want the filth of Islamic injustice known as Sharia law imposed on us, we don't want a false holy man (Muhammed) as anything but a vignette in our nations, is that what your complaining about? Gee, you can't eat the cake and still keep it, if you want no double standards do it first at home and don't behead people for doing the right thing and converting out of Islam.

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In reference to DANA2006, I give up...

Thats right...you won me over, you are 100% correct in all that you say about us evil westerners.

In fact your so right that as it was our obvious greed and slaughter of the weak and innocent that has bestowed upon us the greatest, most powerful nation the world has ever seen. And as we are that nation, and your so correct about our obvious EVIL intentions that I vote that we just NUKE the entire middle east, (As we would do if you were correct in your description of us), turn it into a sheet of glass, kill every Muslim there, drill for our own oil so gas goes to 50 cents a gallon and never have to worry about another 9/11, suicide bombing, moron with a flag and lighter or car bomb.

But we wont do that, no, because we are AMERICANS, and we will continue to put up with beheadings and believe that democracy will win. We will continue to listen to idiots talk about wiping a country off the face of the earth and believe in our hearts that they too can have flush toilets and toilet paper, 3 meals a day, water for their feet and schools for their children. In fact we will even build their schools in Iraq while Our children die in roadside bombings. we will build water plants while they kidnap construction workers and cut off their heads. No sorry DANA2006, the rational mind is the trained eyeglass to the world and you are so very twisted.
But what the hey, lets just show them how very powerful we are, shouldn't take more than 10% of our arsenal to kill 90% of the population. Because we are the most powerful, successful and rich nation the world has ever experienced. We wont do that. And thats because we are AMERICA and we care.

Well said

You have voted police_officer339 for the Way Above Top Secret award. You have two more votes this month.

Thank you vincere7
and didn't Jefferson also say
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots"??

Yes and he also said "Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty."