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Originally posted by The Axeman
Originally posted by Truthisoutthere
Anyway-No excuses to God now. You have heard the Truth and now you decide with your own life whether to accept Him or not. But this clearly speaks the truth about your Mason Theology of " it's ok to worship any god as long as it's only one."
Do you hear yourself? So you are saying that tolerance of others' religious beliefs is a sin now? If you knew anything about the teachings of Jesus, you would see that it is a principle. The bible is a guideline for Christians. If you want to believe the way you do, fine, that's your choice. But you can't sit there and tell people they are going to hell because they do not share that narrow minded belief. Now I respect your right to believe what you want and to worship how you want, but don't you think it's a little rude to imply that because someone doesn't prescribe to your certain flavor of "Christianity", that they are somehow inferior or less worthy? Good grief, man.
You do realize that the bible was written by men, do you not? It is a teaching tool, a book of parables, precedents; a book of stories, of guidelines, for us to study and learn life's lessons.
You probably won't believe me, but most if not every last one of the lessons in Freemasonry is derived directly from the bible. Jeez, man get a hold of yourself.
*much hateful nonsense removed*
I hope and pray for you brother that the Lord Jesus Christ will reveal Himself to you before it's too late.
And I pray the same for you. Sounds like you could use some quality time with Him, learning what He taught.
[edit on 6/2/05 by The Axeman]
Seba started slamming me personally and Christianity as well as telling lies about Freemasonry ! And with that I called his bluff and actually replied to his slander and lies. So if you want to jump in on this and support a lying slanderer than that is your option. But it wouldn't say too much for your own character.
Originally posted by Truthisoutthere
Well- I have never stood on a corner yelling and preaching nor have I stood in front of an abortion clinic picketing nor put down gays for their views or any other radical way of dealing with religious ( Not Christian ) issues. I have never believed in that sort of thing. Why ? because that's not the nature of Jesus and he wouldn't approach these issues this way.
Originally posted by Cug
Respectfully, that is my impression of exactly what your doing here.
The Indy 500 was this weekend, and before the race they had a non-denominational prayer. In a way that is exactly what the Masons do in Lodge. So are you telling me that the 200,000 people in the satands are now at risk of God's wrath?
Originally posted by The Axeman
Originally posted by Cug
The Indy 500 was this weekend, and before the race they had a non-denominational prayer. In a way that is exactly what the Masons do in Lodge. So are you telling me that the 200,000 people in the satands are now at risk of God's wrath?
(Emphasis mine) What a profound typo.
Originally posted by Skibum
The way I see it, as long as in your heart and mind you are praying to God and Jesus during a non denominational prayer there is no problem.
Originally posted by sebatwerk
Originally posted by Skibum
The way I see it, as long as in your heart and mind you are praying to God and Jesus during a non denominational prayer there is no problem.
What if you are praying to Allah in your heart and mind? Jehovah? The golden cow? Aliens?
[edit on 2-6-2005 by sebatwerk]
Originally posted by Truthisoutthere
It doen't suprise me that you would not read my reply seba. You are to narrow minded and deceivd by the sect that you have joined.
just to show that you are IN FACT the inmature antagenizer that started slammimng me first just because I started to ask questions about Masonry.
I leave you with this: If you are unaware of the history of your organization how can you defend it ?
so you are in fact nothing but a pawn in the memebership and have nothing to stand on as a defense for the Free Masons.
It sounds to me that even if I took the time to show you the origins of FreeMasonry and the occult wich you have not taken the time to research for yourself you would still ingore the facts.
Originally posted by Truthisoutthere
Freemanory has nothing to do with eternal life. Christianity does. You are comparing apples to oranges.
See-I am a Christain and have already forgiven you and have moved on.
Originally posted by Truthisoutthere
...I have never stood on a corner yelling and preaching nor have I stood in front of an abortion clinic picketing nor put down gays for their views or any other radical way of dealing with religious ( Not Christian ) issues. I have never believed in that sort of thing. Why ? because that's not the nature of Jesus and he wouldn't approach these issues this way.
...I cannot waste anynore time with shallow closed minded people that are deceived from the start and only see things one way.
Originally posted by Trinityman
Originally posted by Truthisoutthere
Freemanory has nothing to do with eternal life. Christianity does. You are comparing apples to oranges.
Oh wow. You posted something that makes sense. The Truth is actually right in front of you... you're sooooo close.
See-I am a Christain and have already forgiven you and have moved on.
Well done. I'm sure Seb feels a lot better for that. I, in turn forgive you, for being a narrow-minded bigot who does the work of Satan by twisting the word of the Lord and spreading vitriol wherever you go.
Thanks brother for standing up for Jesus !
Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
Psa 94:16 Who will rise up for me against the evildoers? [or] who will stand up for me against the workers of iniquity?
It's was never intended to make seba feel better ? Why would you ever think that ?
Jesus himsef did not come down to earth to make seba, you or myself FEEL BETTER ? What excatly does this mean ? Where did you ever learn or hear that ? Not in the scriptures.
As far as your statement " the narrow-minded bigot who does the work of Satan by twisting the word of the Lord and spreading vitriol wherever you go. "
Name one thing that I have twisted ?
Obviously you do not know the Word of God either. If you did, you would have never made a statement like this.
Can you ask yourself if any of these scriptures look familair to you as a christian, I think you called yourself ? Correct me if I am wrong ?
Jer 32:39 And I will give them one heart, and one way, that they may fear me for ever, for the good of them, and of their children after them:
Hbr 9:28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.
Mat 19:16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin [is] death; but the gift of God [is] eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Anyway, before jumping into something you have no background on as far as Seb's and my original discussion ( and nothing else ) you would see that he was the one being a snivelling bitch and striking back with a vengance. Not me, till he started taking personal shots against me, God and Christianity. If I didn't stand up for any of these what kind of a man would I be ? Not a christian ! I would be like sebatwerk hiding behind his bretheren.
I am not sure why you would condemn anyone that is serious about their walk with God and studies the scripture in it's entirety ? Is this the way christians are supposed to act towards eachother ?
If I point out something in someones life that is causing destruction to their soul it is out of love. God tells us that this is our duty. You being a Christian would know the many scriptures backing this.
Oh- By the way- Yeah you are better at typing than I am. Congrads on your accomplishment !
Peace Out !
Originally posted by Truthisoutthere
It doen't suprise me that you would not read my reply seba. You are to narrow minded and deceivd by the sect that you have joined.
Freemanory has nothing to do with eternal life. Christianity does. You are comparing apples to oranges.
If by chance you would like me to re-post the start of all this showing that YOU NOT me started the mud throwing against me personally and against christianity THEN I WILL !!!!!!!! just to show that you are IN FACT the inmature antagenizer that started slammimng me first just because I started to ask questions about Masonry.
You dont have to read my reply, but I know that you and other mason will and it will expose your own character and representation of the Freemasons. I am sure that your "so called christian elders" will be absolutley thrilled on how you represent the cult !
I leave you with this: If you are unaware of the history of your organization how can you defend it ?
You have decided to turn a deaf ear to this as well as christianity so you are in fact nothing but a pawn in the memebership and have nothing to stand on as a defense for the Free Masons. But you will still beleive what you want. I guess that makes you a Fundementalist Free Mason ! Well, as long as you are happy being a statistic a number in the organization that's cool. That's what they want !
It's Great that numbers of people in an organization does not dictate the strengh of the organization.
It sounds to me that even if I took the time to show you the origins of FreeMasonry and the occult wich you have not taken the time to research for yourself you would still ingore the facts. Why ? Because you feel comfortable sitting in a group of MEN that will accept you as you are with all of your own personal skeletons ! But then again that's the integrity of the people in charge of this cult.
Well- Your cult is dangerous to you personally NOT me ! And if that is the way you have decided to go that's fine with me. If you want to turn your back and go against God that is your option and you have made it very clear this is what you want to do and that's fine too ! You do have FREE WILL. You yourself will be accountable to God one day for all of your actions and beliefs and then the wheat will be seperated from the chaff and away you go.
This is my last reply as I cannot waste anynore time with shallow closed minded people that are deceived from the start and only see things one way. The pagan way NOT GODS way.
I am out of here to start a new thread about the occultic origins and the connections between both the Free Masons and the Occult. So if you would ever like a History lesson to learn about your CULT that derived from the OCCULT then feel free to come on in and learn.
See-I am a Christain and have already forgiven you and have moved on. I do not hold ignorance against people. I hold people to their ignorance.
I wish you Good Luck and Peace in life my Brothers.
Take care of yourselves and eachother.
Peace Out !
Originally posted by Truthisoutthere
*snip*
Freemanory has nothing to do with eternal life. Christianity does. You are comparing apples to oranges.
I leave you with this: If you are unaware of the history of your organization how can you defend it ?
This is my last reply as I cannot waste anynore time with shallow closed minded people that are deceived from the start and only see things one way. The pagan way NOT GODS way.
See-I am a Christain and have already forgiven you and have moved on. I do not hold ignorance against people. I hold people to their ignorance.
from www.bible.com KJV
Luke 6:37 - Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven
I wish you Good Luck and Peace in life my Brothers.
Take care of yourselves and eachother.
Peace Out !
Originally posted by Truthisoutthere
Name one thing that I have twisted ?
Obviously you do not know the Word of God either. If you did, you would have never made a statement like this.
Originally posted by Truthisoutthere
Hey Guys,
I have been thinking about our conversations and they really bother me. I do not like to argue and throw stones, call names etc........ I actually came over to this discussion to learn more about Masonry on a personal level, talking and sharing with members, but when I brought something up, I got the door slammed and got attacked. I in return got defensive as well and then it just got totally out of hand.
Anyway-I sincerely regret on my part, any wrong doing and would like to ask for your forgivness. I am truly sorry and I apologize for any personal attacks against anyone. I need to learn how to stay on target on the theme not the person.
Take Care-I am out of here !
Originally posted by Truthisoutthere
Hey Axeman,
Let me know if you agree or would like to add to the agreement.
Thanks,
Truth.
Originally posted by The Axeman
Now can you explain to me, without quoting scripture, just why it is you think Masonry is so bad, and why you believe that your way to worship your God is the only way? I mean you have basically said that anyone who does not accept your God (the Christian God -- I am a Christian, BTW, or should I say I try to follow the teachings of Jesus Christ in my day to day life? That makes me Christian, right?) is going straight to hell, do not pass go, do not collect $200. Why?