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Originally posted by senrak
Originally posted by Truthisoutthere
Only confirming every view that I and others have ever held about the Masons ? It's because of punks like you !
Wow! Truth...THAT sure is "Christian" of you. I'd been following this thread and was interested in contributing, but if you're an example of the kind of Christianity you speak of, I'll pass.
Maybe you shouldn't focus on Masons or Mormons or Jehovah's Witnesses and turn your study to Christianity instead of quoting a few scriptures that fit your needs while you act exactly the same way you accuse OTHERS of acting.
[shrug]
Oh...and regarding your "continue..without the help of others" statement...this forum is for ANY member who wants to participate. Even us "punks" which you called Sebat in such a Christ-like manner
[edit on 5-6-2005 by senrak]
Originally posted by Truthisoutthere
Axe- This has alreday turned into a one way discussion here on your side.
I am not sure what you didn't understand about my outlined questions ?
WE need to answer one thing at a time without jumping ahead with the views that you already have and let me answer the questions. Isn't this how a discussion is suppoosed to happen ?
Originally posted by The Axeman
Now in response you your answer:
...
Two Simple Questions Regarding Christianity:
b.) We need to ask ourselves what is christianity ?
What happened to a.)?
Christianity is a religion founded on the life and teachings of Jesus Christ. (or at least it is supposed to be)
c.) What does it mean to be a christian ?
To me it means that you have accepted and you believe that Jesus Christ died on the cross for the purpose of ensuring that the sins of those who follow him will be forgiven. If you believe this, and you follow his teachings, you are a Christian.
Two simple Questions Regarding Masonry:
d.) Should a true christian compromise his own beliefs to become a Mason ?
Absolutely not. If a man feels he has to compromise his own beliefs to be a Mason, he should not join. Indeed, this is a disqualifier, and if it is apparent that there is a conflict, he will not be accepted and initiated.
e.) Would this be honarble to God or the Masons ?
If it were an issue, then no, it would not be. BUT, seeing as how a man does not compromise his own beliefs to join, this is a moot point.
Lastly: I think that we need to discuss the conflicts of christianity and masonry.
I don't know of any; but I would be interested to know what you think the conflicts are. Facts, please.
Originally posted by Truthisoutthere
Here we go again !!!!!!! Why don't you read it in context !! You would have to read the forums of Sebas for the last two weekes and you would understand.
BY the way yes- Seb is a punk ! and my observation of this has nothing to do with "Christianity"
As said before- Masonry has been under scrutney for hundreds of years and you and I both know it.
If you ever think you will turn the negatives away you would need to learn how to hold your tongue and open your ears and we could have a discussion.
But so far (NOT ONE) Mason except for AXEMAN
So with that, If AXEMAN doesn't work out I would like to challenge ANY MASON in a discussion about why CHRISTIANS CANNOT BE MASONS OR THE OTHER WAY AROUND.
So please sit back and see what transpires in a real two way discussion between ax and myself and leave your christian slams to the pros !
Originally posted by Truthisoutthere
How has Masonry perverted Christianity ?
Simple answer:
One reason is that for one to become a member you need to believe in the masonry god which is not the same God of christianity. Which would mean a christian that wanted to become a member would have to reject or deny his God.
Originally posted by The Axeman
How? What doctrines and theologies are you talking about? Freemasonry doesn't care what religion its members are, so long as they believe in a Supreme Being, and the eternity of the soul... This is not a "perversion" of Christianity. Please explain what you mean, i.e. how does this qualify as a perversion in your mind?
Originally posted by Truthisoutthere
How has Masonry perverted Christianity ?
Simple answer:
One reason is that for one to become a member you need to believe in the masonry god which is not the same God of christianity. Which would mean a christian that wanted to become a member would have to reject or deny his God.
Originally posted by Truthisoutthere
How has Masonry perverted Christianity ?
Simple answer:
One reason is that for one to become a member you need to believe in the masonry god which is not the same God of christianity. Which would mean a christian that wanted to become a member would have to reject or deny his God.
Originally posted by Truthisoutthere
Please understand I am not questioning "your own personal faith" I think that we are not understanding eachother ? What I mean is that to be called a christian you must believe in the 'christian" God right ?
Originally posted by Truthisoutthere
Please understand I am not questioning "your own personal faith" I think that we are not understanding eachother ? What I mean is that to be called a christian you must believe in the 'christian" God right ?
Originally posted by senrak
Originally posted by Truthisoutthere
Please understand I am not questioning "your own personal faith" I think that we are not understanding eachother ? What I mean is that to be called a christian you must believe in the 'christian" God right ?
Certainly...and I DO...and I am a Mason and it does not interfere w/ me being a Christian. It's a Brotherhood of ALL men. And God created ALL men and said "Love one another" THAT is what Masonry is about.
Originally posted by Truthisoutthere
Did you know that the christian God is not the same god that you are required to believe in within the masonry ?
Don't they require you to believe that there is only one God the Masonry god whom could be named allah, buddah, jesus, or any other god throughout all religions ? correct ?
Originally posted by Truthisoutthere
Did you know that the christian God is not the same god that you are required to believe in within the masonry ?
Don't they require you to believe that there is only one God the Masonry god whom could be named allah, buddah, jesus, or any other god throughout all religions ? correct ?
Originally posted by Truthisoutthere
Reply to Seb- RELAX !! Stop getting so defensive and answering the questions yourself ! Can Axe and Myself disuss ? Is this ok ? Or would you like me to turn away now. Only confirming every view that I and others have ever held about the Masons ? It's because of punks like you !
You have done nothing to add to this at all but expose your own way of thinking ? You will believe what you will and that's it. You are right and everyone else is wrong.
You asked me a question and I did in fact answer it compeletely
Originally posted by Truthisoutthere
Don't they require you to believe that there is only one God the Masonry god whom could be named allah, buddah, jesus, or any other god throughout all religions ? correct ?
Originally posted by Golfie
Axeman: I think you have to ask 3x and say please....that worked for me last time.
Originally posted by Truthisoutthere
So please sit back and see what transpires in a real two way discussion between ax and myself and leave your christian slams to the pros !