WATCH LIVE: US Congress hearing on UFOs, unidentified anomalous phenomena

a reply to: putnam6

Again.

Isn't it just convenient that this distraction was played, at this point in time, certainly guarantee that the important stuff in the hidden hand, stays hidden with slight of hand.

Aka it's a distraction from the truth, they want to hide.

People hear ufo hearing but don't care about the flight logs of pedophile isle. Politicans been doing this since before Benghazi and will continue to until it stops working.

Guess what works every time.

Ole reliable.

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originally posted by: NoCorruptionAllowed

originally posted by: WeMustCare
a reply to: putnam6

How many passenger planes have crashed with no actual cause found? (Not 2 seaters) Could have been a collision with a UFO.

The military used to attempt shooting them down during the Korean war and Vietnam war, except they retaliated with often deadly force. Hundreds of military aircraft have been destroyed by them during those years after Roswell.
A well known case over lake Superior:Scorpion jet lost to ufo

Not sure about commercial and civilian aircraft, but some have been lost.

FOUR shot down over a 9 day period by Biden and Trudeau...JUST LAST YEAR!
Is Congress so inflexible that they can't ask for the wreckage? Or are they not interested in recent, verifiable, UFO shoot-downs? Just testimonies.

originally posted by: ADVISOR
a reply to: putnam6

Again.

Isn't it just convenient that this distraction was played, at this point in time, certainly guarantee that the important stuff in the hidden hand, stays hidden with slight of hand.

Aka it's a distraction from the truth, they want to hide.

People hear ufo hearing but don't care about the flight logs of pedophile isle. Politicans been doing this since before Benghazi and will continue to until it stops working.

Guess what works every time.

Ole reliable.

🤫

Again the same tired ATS tropes deflection and disinformation ....yay!

Again we are touching on the basics, the Conspiracy Theories for Dummies

Hell Ive done threads on Epstein and Diddy too, I promise ya I haven't forgotten about them or the government's and the TPTB wanting to control and manipulate what information the GP gets to see.

I just wanted to discuss this specific topic UFOs UAPs didn't know the thread would vear into having to recite the golden rules for being a conspiracy theorist

originally posted by: Cvastar
a reply to: putnam6

I don't know how many people realize this......but all this "testimony" is hearsay. I'd like to have a dollar for every time they say "I've been told".

If I may... I am along with your frustration. But just may be when testimony of this magnitude is spoken in front of the government inquiry, witnesses may have had to say 'I've been told by someone' for a reason? Those who testified might still be under oath 'not to speak' and hence, to avoid being held accountable instead refer to made up 'trusty source' whom cannot be doubted and cannot be identified...because those unnamed sources do not exist.

originally posted by: putnam6

Again the same tired ATS tropes deflection and disinformation ....yay!

Again we are touching on the basics, the Conspiracy Theories for Dummies

Vs what? Hearsay by witnesses that claimed they wanted more data and more scientific research?

Again. With civilians discovering about 99.999 percent of the known universe. With advances in video equipment, radio astronomy, mapping gravitational fields. Advanced radar systems. Why the huge discrepancies between civilian scientific knowledge concerning UAP’s and what you suppose the military knows.

I believe the earth is spherical because of sunsets, dip of the horizon, the recent solar eclipse, and so on.


Why should I believe UAP hearsay that is like flat earth “evidence” the earth is flat? Just because of hearsay from a government that has in the past exploited gossip of UFO’s from another world to hide its stealth programs?

I’ll be honest. I saw a UFO in the 1980’s. It was an orange globe around sunset. Above the low clouds after a thunderstorm. Did it have control surfaces, no. Did it have an obvious propulsion system, no. Did I know what it was no. Did I assume it was from outer space. No. Most likely a weather balloon, yes.

A Weather Balloon Viewed Through a Telescope

Hmm. Notice how fast the object “accelerates” when the telescope is moved to keep it in frame.

a reply to: putnam6

If the UAP’s really have no obvious propulsion system, it’s probably gravity related. Let me know when the military puts up gravity monitoring stations by the dozens like radar and air traffic control stations during the Cold War.

originally posted by: WeMustCare

originally posted by: NoCorruptionAllowed

originally posted by: WeMustCare
a reply to: putnam6

How many passenger planes have crashed with no actual cause found? (Not 2 seaters) Could have been a collision with a UFO.

The military used to attempt shooting them down during the Korean war and Vietnam war, except they retaliated with often deadly force. Hundreds of military aircraft have been destroyed by them during those years after Roswell.
A well known case over lake Superior:Scorpion jet lost to ufo

Not sure about commercial and civilian aircraft, but some have been lost.

FOUR shot down over a 9 day period by Biden and Trudeau...JUST LAST YEAR!

Is Congress so inflexible that they can't ask for the wreckage? Or are they not interested in recent, verifiable, UFO shoot-downs? Just testimonies.

You would think it would be a priority? Makes one wonder what the agenda of the UAP hearings are?

Mystery drones swarm air force base for 17 days, leaving Pentagon baffled

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According to the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) website, “reports of unmanned aircraft (UAS) sightings from pilots, citizens and law enforcement remain high.”

The FAA says it receives more than 100 UAS reports a month.

“The agency wants to send out a clear message that operating drones around airplanes, helicopters and airports is dangerous and illegal. Unauthorized operators may be subject to stiff fines and criminal charges, including possible jail time,” the website states, reminding drone operators to review the rules about where and when a drone is safe to fly.

From July to September of this year, the FAA recorded more than 400 UAS sightings.

Video: FAA Investigates Airliner/Drone Near Miss

originally posted by: DaydreamerX

originally posted by: Cvastar
a reply to: putnam6

I don't know how many people realize this......but all this "testimony" is hearsay. I'd like to have a dollar for every time they say "I've been told".

If I may... I am along with your frustration. But just may be when testimony of this magnitude is spoken in front of the government inquiry, witnesses may have had to say 'I've been told by someone' for a reason? Those who testified might still be under oath 'not to speak' and hence, to avoid being held accountable instead refer to made up 'trusty source' whom cannot be doubted and cannot be identified...because those unnamed sources do not exist.

If the unnamed source doesn't even exist, the testimony has no credibility whatsoever. I don't believe those testifying are referring to made up sources. My point is that those testifying have never, with the possible exception of Elizondo, themselves been eyewitnesses to the phenomenon about which they are testifying. We have seen people testify who themselves were eyewitnesses to the phenomenon, I.e. the pilot, David Favre. Grusch himself relied entirely upon hearsay. It's just frustrating after all these years that no substantial physical evidence is ever produced and the problem is that the Deep State operatives who may well be hiding that physical evidence have no incentive to produce it. And by Deep State operatives, I include the likes of the Corporate interests like Lockheed.

I've concluded that, assuming we're dealing with non-human biologics, the real truth is that no evidence will ever be produced without their permission. And they aren't going to give that permission because of the competing interests involved.

originally posted by: Lazy88

Mystery drones swarm air force base for 17 days, leaving Pentagon baffled

globalnews.ca...

According to the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) website, “reports of unmanned aircraft (UAS) sightings from pilots, citizens and law enforcement remain high.”

The FAA says it receives more than 100 UAS reports a month.

“The agency wants to send out a clear message that operating drones around airplanes, helicopters and airports is dangerous and illegal. Unauthorized operators may be subject to stiff fines and criminal charges, including possible jail time,” the website states, reminding drone operators to review the rules about where and when a drone is safe to fly.

From July to September of this year, the FAA recorded more than 400 UAS sightings.

Video: FAA Investigates Airliner/Drone Near Miss

361,224 views Oct 15, 2024 #Pentagon #UAP
A fleet of objects was spotted over Langley Air Force Base in December of 2023. It's not clear what the objects are and the Pentagon's office tasked with studying reports of unexplained aerial phenomena has been involved in the investigation. Some suggest the flying lights are not part of intelligence efforts by foreign adversaries because no effort was made to disguise their presence.

#UAP #UFO #Pentagon

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What is the Langley AFB Incident?
Security around Joint Base Langley-Eustis in Virginia was increased after a Wall Street Journal report detailed more than a dozen cases of drones flying over the military installation in late 2023.

What UAP witnesses recommend for congressional action
The report suggested that the cases took place over a 17-day period when unidentified drones flew over the base where F-22 Raptor stealth fighters are based. The report indicated that at this time, it remains unknown whether the drone presence equates to a threat to the nation’s security.

That led committee members to ask experts Wednesday to link the presence of UAPs and military installation sites like Langley.

“There’s definitely enough data out there to suggest that there is certainly some sort of relations between sensitive U.S. military installations and also our nuclear equities and also some of our Department of Energy sites,” Elizondo testified when asked about the 2023 incident. “There is a long historical record … that demonstrates this. This is not a new trend. This has been going on for decades, and this information has been obfuscated, unfortunately, from (lawmakers).

“I think that’s problematic because ultimately, at the end of the day, we have a significant situation here. We have something that can enter into U.S. airspace completely with no attribution.”

Gallaudet said there were other instances of drones over Langley before the Wall Street Journal brought the details of the 2023 activity to light. In addition, he said there is evidence to suggest other incidents took place in and around other U.S. military installations over the past 50 years.

Elizondo added that he believes that while UAPs may be targeting U.S. military installations, it is possible there is also greater technology being used to monitor the presence of UAPs.

He said that there is a program within the Department of Defense and intelligence committee called IPB (Initial Preparations of the Battlespace) and that specific technologies are being used to prepare those locations.

Elizondo added that there is a calculus of capabilities versus the intent of whether something rises to the level of a threat to national security that must be figured out.

“Certainly, if I were wearing my national security hat, even if there were a 2% chance that there was some sort of hostile intent here, that’s 2% higher than we can really accept,” Elizondo told committee members.

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Q: Thank you, Sabrina. There's been some new reporting around the 2023 drone incursion over Langley Air Force Base. Does the DOD have an idea of what objects it might have been?

MS. SINGH: Thanks so much for the question. So, specifically, Langley Air Force Base did experience incursions of unauthorized unmanned aerial systems last year in December 2023. The number of those UAS incursions did fluctuate on any given day, but they didn't appear to exhibit any hostile intent. It's something that we have kept our eye on, but I just don't have more to provide on that. Jen, sure.

Q: [Off-mic] I wanted to follow up on.

MS. SINGH: Yeah, of course.

Q: So, why couldn't the Air Force shoot down these drones if they were coming towards the base, over the base. If they were surveilling, which it proved that when one went down on January 5, it was found to have video surveilling a sensitive base. Why couldn't they shoot them down? The Air Force can shoot down Cessnas if they get close to sensitive facilities in Washington, New York?

MS. SINGH: So, the commander — or any commander of any base has the authority necessary to protect forces, to protect facilities, infrastructure, and capability there. So, I'm not aware that they did not have any authority to shoot it down or to shoot anything down. I do know that with all of these incursions, given that it's on US soil there is another level of coordination within the interagency that needs to take place. But the commander absolutely had his or her authorities to engage any systems that are a threat to the base.

Q: And wouldn't surveillance or intelligence gathering be a threat to the base?

MS. SINGH: Yeah, again, Jen, this is something that I know the department continues to analyze. I don't have any information, or I can't confirm what you're saying. All I can tell you is that the Air Force base did experience a number of incursions and that we have been looking into it. And if I have more to share, I certainly will.

Q: Do you know where the drones were shot from?

MS. SINGH: I don't. Tara and then – Tara, one in the back, and then Charlie.

a reply to: putnam6

Which has nothing to do with off world technology.

Do you have any evidence other than hearsay any UAP’s are off world technology? Something other than natural phenomena? Or man made?

a reply to: putnam6

The drones were not fallowed. Which is interesting. By helicopter? By the USA’s own drones.

The drones didn’t even set any speed records. Nor altitude records.

But they could have been launched from anything from a semitrailer. To a ship off shore disguised as a cargo or fishing ship. Or even a submarine. I guess even from another aircraft.

a reply to: putnam6

The Mysterious Drones Flying Over U.S. Military Bases

www.wsj.com...

Ryan Knutson: Federal law prohibits shooting down drones unless they pose an imminent threat.

How were the drones an imminent thread if they flew away without launching any ordinance, where they didn’t cause any damage. And what would you shoot them down with that wouldn’t be a threat to the public.

Are you really that obtuse?

Even your link mentioned Langley? WTF

I guess I stepped in your dog chit again LOL

originally posted by: Lazy88
a reply to: putnam6

The Mysterious Drones Flying Over U.S. Military Bases

www.wsj.com...

Ryan Knutson: Federal law prohibits shooting down drones unless they pose an imminent threat.

How were the drones an imminent thread if they flew away without launching any ordinance, where they didn’t cause any damage. And what would you shoot them down with that wouldn’t be a threat to the public.

What's an imminent thread?

Nowhere did I say suggest or infer they were a "threat" Scooter

Are the drones going to start posting threads here on ATS?

Lazy indeed...

originally posted by: Lazy88
a reply to: putnam6

The drones were not fallowed. Which is interesting. By helicopter? By the USA’s own drones.

The drones didn’t even set any speed records. Nor altitude records.

But they could have been launched from anything from a semitrailer. To a ship off shore disguised as a cargo or fishing ship. Or even a submarine. I guess even from another aircraft.

How were they supposed to "fallow" the drones

Slow down take a breath and maybe we will see some coherent posts...

originally posted by: Lazy88
a reply to: putnam6

If the UAP’s really have no obvious propulsion system, it’s probably gravity related. Let me know when the military puts up gravity monitoring stations by the dozens like radar and air traffic control stations during the Cold War.

What are you rambling about now...LOL

originally posted by: Lazy88
a reply to: putnam6

Which has nothing to do with off world technology.

Do you have any evidence other than hearsay any UAP’s are off world technology? Something other than natural phenomena? Or man made?

LOL, where did I say suggest or infer they were off world technology...



Burchett for one suggests they may originate from our oceans.

Obviously, he could be passing disinformation, but considering he is the only one here who has likely been in a SCIF discussing evidence, it does carry some weight...

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Ive never seen this video before

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Side note the Pentagon failed its 7th audit

originally posted by: Lazy88

originally posted by: WeMustCare

originally posted by: NoCorruptionAllowed

originally posted by: WeMustCare
a reply to: putnam6

How many passenger planes have crashed with no actual cause found? (Not 2 seaters) Could have been a collision with a UFO.

The military used to attempt shooting them down during the Korean war and Vietnam war, except they retaliated with often deadly force. Hundreds of military aircraft have been destroyed by them during those years after Roswell.
A well known case over lake Superior:Scorpion jet lost to ufo

Not sure about commercial and civilian aircraft, but some have been lost.

FOUR shot down over a 9 day period by Biden and Trudeau...JUST LAST YEAR!

Is Congress so inflexible that they can't ask for the wreckage? Or are they not interested in recent, verifiable, UFO shoot-downs? Just testimonies.

You would think it would be a priority? Makes one wonder what the agenda of the UAP hearings are?

I think there is no particular agenda. Simply using a momentum in political scene, not the least. I mean, taking advantage of a slightly chaotic situation to declassify what was classified. Similar situation was in Russia when Eltcin took the helm. There was a huge demand to make public long classified stuff. It was sign of changes among the society back then.