Should we look for the truth, or just let it go?

originally posted by: Lazy88

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Lazy88

originally posted by: chr0naut

If debt can be slowed and GDP continue to rise, the economic outcome will improve.

One problem. There is interest on the national debt where there is still borrowing.

Interest payments on the national debt top $1 trillion as deficit swells

www.cnbc.com...

Where inflation needs to be reigned in.

Inflation is necessary for growth, but if you do not limit inflation to a reasonable rate, then things fall apart.

How is inflation above 3 percent signs of a healthy economy?

What are you, like 12 years old.

I'm clearly not 12 years old. One of my close friends is an Economics Professor, and he'd laugh at your naivety.

The average annual inflation rate for the USA from 1913 to 2024 is 3.17%, but the real start of growth of the US economy as a powerhouse began in approximately 1975.

Several times before the '70's, the US economy crashed, going negative due to the low profitability of a low interest economy. 3% is a bit low for stability's sake.

The average annual inflation rate for the USA from 1975 to 2024 is 3.96%.

The very steepest growth rate for the US economy was between 2020 and 2024, where the average annual inflation rate is 5.13%

I would suggest that a stable and safe level of inflation would be to maintain it at 4% as far as possible. This gives incentive for investment and growth, without devaluing currency too much.

www.inflationtool.com

World Inflation Rate 1981-2024

originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: chr0naut

By the Dawn's Early Light 😀

Except in Alaska and US Antarctic territories, where they don't always have dawns early light.

originally posted by: Lazy88

originally posted by: chr0naut

The downturn in the US economy clearly began before Trump had left office.

You mean the lockdowns because of Covid, with democrat lead states and cities having some of the most stringent lockdowns and restrictions who could work. And what could be produced.

Yeah.

Did you know that the US has been through stuff like wars and other pandemics before the COVID pandemic? And that somehow, they didn't have the same levels of unemployment. And despite the poor levels of tech back then, they also seemed to do quite well in coping with the issues, overall.

Maybe the guy at the top during COVID was a potato, who spent his time throwing spanners into the works as a hobby?

originally posted by: Cracka

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: tjack
Nobody is above the law amirite?

Not even the President elect.

And any attempt to pardon themselves is corruption, pure and simple.

if you wish to comment on US things, you might want to educate yourself on US things. Like the Constitution. Start with finding the part where a president can't pardon himself and go from there.

Article II, Section 2, Clause 1 places the President above the law. It is political corruption written into the US Constitution from the get-go.

Article II, Section 2, Clause 1 also contradicts the Presidential pledge of office, and Article II, Section 3 of the Constitution.

Even under Article II, Section 2, Clause 1, the President cannot grant any pardon without the specific written advice of the principal officers of the executive departments. Nor can the President pardon themselves from an impeachment.

Presidential pardons dilute the balance of the judicial branch to make lawful judgement and that of Congress to enact binding laws.

Yep, so if need be, Trump can pardon himself. Now you might start to grasp this.

But if some other political leader had committed crimes, and then pardoned themselves through political power and influence, would that mean that they didn't commit those crimes?

I mean, what's to stop someone in that position from lying, cheating, stealing, murder, and etc, then they just say, nah, I'm all good, I pardon myself. Do you think that isn't obvious corruption?

Impeachment would stop them. You would also need to CONVICT them during the impeachment.

Impeachment and conviction happen after a crime has been committed. They don't make a crime happen.

And sometimes, the bad guys just walk free on a technicality.

It doesn't make them good guys.

originally posted by: xuenchen

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: hangedman13
a reply to: chr0naut

All of your comparisons are just junk about the US election system. The US is made up of different states, or mini countries if you will. All with different values and population size. We use the electoral college to try and migrate large population centers drowning out the outlying areas. For instance NY went mostly red except for NYC, Albany and a few other counties. First blush because Kamala won the state was that she strongly won it. Not quite. But in NY it is winner take all. So she got those votes from the electoral college. But even in allegedly blue NY she was not that popular.

Read the Federalist Papers 54–55. The Electoral College mechanism had its genesis in the 3/5ths compromise and slavery. It's still in the Constitution:

Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole Number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons.

No it isn't "still in the Constitution".😀 You've been pressing this for a few weeks now and sneak it in when ever you can. 😁 And you never did show any examples of where it is still used.

In the United States Constitution, the Three-fifths Compromise is part of Article 1, Section 2, Clause 3. Section 2 of the Fourteenth Amendment (1868) later superseded this clause and explicitly repealed the compromise.


Three-fifths Compromise

Did you know that Trump's lawyers in 2020 tried arguing that the 3/5ths compromised referred to undocumented entrants to the US, because they were 'other people'.

Of course, Trump's lawyers lost, but it indicates that the clause has NOT been rescinded and is still in legal statute, poisoning US law.

originally posted by: chr0naut


Did you know that the US has been through stuff like wars and other pandemics before the COVID pandemic?

Not with this much national debt. With states in debt. California is over 500 billion in debt.

What lead to the collapse of the USSR. Do people learn nothing from history.

With looming interest payments.

While we are being flooded with millions of illegal aliens from who knows where. Terrorists to Chinese men of military age.

With China flooding the USA with fentanyl and electronics loaded with spyware. While will stupidity sources vital electronics for military hardware from China. In a time where China has been caught with illegal labs in the USA and China has set up secret police stations. With many a politicians with ties and marrying members with ties to the CCP.

originally posted by: chr0naut


Did you know that Trump's lawyers in 2020 tried arguing that the 3/5ths compromised referred to undocumented entrants to the US, because they were 'other people'.

Care to cite an actual source with actual context?

originally posted by: chr0naut


Of course, Trump's lawyers lost, but it indicates that the clause has NOT been rescinded and is still in legal statute, poisoning US law.

Care to explain who and how it’s is wronging? If the laws in not “rescinded”, then why did Trump lose a case based off what you claim where you didn’t cite any material of and give actual context.

a reply to: chr0naut

Dude. Your are just like a flat earther. All over the place. Ignoring the thread topic. Changing the subject randomly at the drop of a hat. Full of what-about-isms with no cited sources and no context.

You got Trump derangement syndrome bad.

a reply to: chr0naut

The COVID lockdowns (not Trump policies "at the time") caused more business closings than anything before.
🆘🥶️stop it stop it

Did COVID cause people to lose jobs?
COVID-19 caused an unprecedented economic crisis, with inequitable effects. From February to April 2020, employment decreased by 22 million jobs– more than twice the number lost during the Great Recession (Figure 1). 1 The unemployment rate peaked at 14.8 percent in April 2020

a reply to: Lazy88

Seems like deflection and whataboutism isn’t slowing down the reality that something will likely happen.

Trump's top contender for head of the CIA, Kash Patel:
-Wants to implement a 24/7 declassification office releasing files about JFK and 9/11.
-On day one, he wants to bring out Jeffrey Epstein's black book of names that were being blackmailed.
-He wants to bring out all the Russia Gate files that are hidden and expose the truth about the January 6th pipe bomber.
-He told Steve Bannon he wanted to exact justice and find the conspirators in the government and the media who worked to usurp the will of the people.
-He wants systematic change at the FBI and CIA coming from an awakened American people.
It's going to be an incredible four years, Patriots.

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Video in the link.

Regarding the OP, I think history -- perhaps a decade or so from now, will record the truth. It will be compared to the yellow journalism , and McCarthyism of the past insofar as unfair and unlawful prosecution of individuals and groups, and proliferation of propaganda and news suppression.

They won't be able to record the truth, however, unless most of us push for it. This is not an anti-T&C call for recruiting, but a general alert, that some horrors of history need to be recorded. Many of the horrors of the past have been glossed over. Those skeletons need to see the light of day also. We should never EVER try to rewrite history. We should never tear down statues or burn books or look a artistic works through the lens of modern times. What we have to do is look at those things directly, and LEARN from them. Uncle Remus shouldn't be burned. Harper Lee's To Kill a Mockingbird!!! WTH are they thinking!!! It's not a racist book, but a reflection of the times. If these books make you angry for the sins of the past, GOOD!!

Those that don't learn from the past are doomed to repeat it. Let us all learn this # together, please, FINALLY, and grow.

YES!! We should look for the truth, and wave it like a flag for all to see! That is true freedom.

originally posted by: Lazy88
a reply to: chr0naut

Dude. Your are just like a flat earther. All over the place. Ignoring the thread topic. Changing the subject randomly at the drop of a hat. Full of what-about-isms with no cited sources and no context.

You got Trump derangement syndrome bad.

Case 1:20-cv-05770-JMF Document 76-58

I cited sources, the topic thread progressed incrementally, and sometimes actually in response to others in this thread.

You are the one unreasonably hero-worshipping someone who seems to be fairly mundane, for a privileged elitist.

LOL.

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Lazy88
a reply to: chr0naut

Dude. Your are just like a flat earther. All over the place. Ignoring the thread topic. Changing the subject randomly at the drop of a hat. Full of what-about-isms with no cited sources and no context.

You got Trump derangement syndrome bad.

Case 1:20-cv-05770-JMF Document 76-58

I cited sources, the topic thread progressed incrementally, and sometimes actually in response to others in this thread.

You are the one unreasonably hero-worshipping someone who seems to be fairly mundane, for a privileged elitist.

LOL.

You provided a link and made claims you didn’t quote. I know this game.

a reply to: chr0naut

Is that the actual government transcript of the case. Care to link to the actual government documents from a government site. Not some random PDF that is marked “evidence”.

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Lazy88
a reply to: chr0naut

Dude. Your are just like a flat earther. All over the place. Ignoring the thread topic. Changing the subject randomly at the drop of a hat. Full of what-about-isms with no cited sources and no context.

You got Trump derangement syndrome bad.

Case 1:20-cv-05770-JMF Document 76-58

I cited sources, the topic thread progressed incrementally, and sometimes actually in response to others in this thread.

You are the one unreasonably hero-worshipping someone who seems to be fairly mundane, for a privileged elitist.

LOL.

Your response only further confirms that you do have TDS really bad.

It is indeed very funny to see. Trump just defeated the worst kind of human beings all set against him, survived assassination attempts, and is now aligned with the best and most energetic and productive people like Elon Musk. People like Tucker Carlson. People of good moral character and moral direction.

Trump came out on top defeating all those people who champion the most immoral and destructive policies.

That is a perfect definition of a hero and not one that would be considered unreasonable to admire. Your lack of logical reasoning is what is unreasonable. Ridiculous even. Now it's Trump's turn to turn things around and root out the scumbags that still want to sabotage American liberty and freedom. Imagine if you had someone across the pond that would do that for your country where liberty is being murdered.

originally posted by: Lazy88

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Lazy88
a reply to: chr0naut

Dude. Your are just like a flat earther. All over the place. Ignoring the thread topic. Changing the subject randomly at the drop of a hat. Full of what-about-isms with no cited sources and no context.

You got Trump derangement syndrome bad.

Case 1:20-cv-05770-JMF Document 76-58

I cited sources, the topic thread progressed incrementally, and sometimes actually in response to others in this thread.

You are the one unreasonably hero-worshipping someone who seems to be fairly mundane, for a privileged elitist.

LOL.

You provided a link and made claims you didn’t quote. I know this game.

You have only cited a source in one post in this topic thread.

Your game is to falsely accuse, to ignore the validity of any argument contrary to your own, and even to feign incomprehension of the arguments of others.

My points were not really that complex to understand.

You asked for specific supporting source. I provided it.

Now if you have any further disagreement not already explained and sourced, please present that, then the topic thread can progress rationally and not get mired in empty circumlocution.

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Lazy88

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Lazy88
a reply to: chr0naut

Dude. Your are just like a flat earther. All over the place. Ignoring the thread topic. Changing the subject randomly at the drop of a hat. Full of what-about-isms with no cited sources and no context.

You got Trump derangement syndrome bad.

Case 1:20-cv-05770-JMF Document 76-58

I cited sources, the topic thread progressed incrementally, and sometimes actually in response to others in this thread.

You are the one unreasonably hero-worshipping someone who seems to be fairly mundane, for a privileged elitist.

LOL.

You provided a link and made claims you didn’t quote. I know this game.

You have only cited a source in one post in this topic thread.

Your game is to falsely accuse, to ignore the validity of any argument contrary to your own, and even to feign incomprehension of the arguments of others.

My points were not really that complex to understand.

You asked for specific supporting source. I provided it.

Now if you have any further disagreement not already explained and sourced, please present that, then the topic thread can progress rationally and not get mired in empty circumlocution.

Long winded rant by you to hide you actually don’t quote anything.

What you want cited and quoted by me?

The amount of fentanyl smuggled into the USA?

The amount of fentanyl deaths each year?

The national debt?

The interest payments in the national debt?

The amount of fentanyl from china smuggled into the USA?

The illegal Chinese police stations found in the USA?

The illegal Chinese lab found in the USA?

The number of illegal aliens that came to the USA in the last four years? The abuse of political asylum?

The electronics vital to US defense sourced from China.

The electronics sourced from china loaded with spyware.

People in the US government with family ties to the CCP.

The low ball crime stats then corrected to more correct higher crime rates.

The lies concerning Biden was sharp as a laser?

The covid recession and loss of small businesses was from lockdowns. While government dumps billions into crony capitalism for vaccines with no real measurably success. With the revolving door between big pharmaceutical and the FDA.

The illegal spying and FISA warrants on Trump.

The Trump dossier was bought Russian disinformation by democrats.

The illegal actions by law enforcement during the Mar a Lago raid?

The abuse of weaponizing the legal system against Trump.

How far the attitude in FEMA went with ignoring victims with Trump signs. How far is that rot is in the government.

The incompetence that lead to the Trump assassination attempts.

The lie Hunter Biden’s laptop was Russian misinformation and the misleading letter from the intel committee to influence an election.

Just for starters?

Whatever happen to this crap?

Why did Debbie Wasserman Schultz keep paying tech expert suspected of stealing House computers?

www.tampabay.com...

a reply to: chr0naut

Hmm..

Feinstein, Husband Hold Strong China Connections

www.latimes.com...

Details Surface About Sen. Feinstein And The Chinese Spy Who Worked For Her

www.cbsnews.com...

What me to cite more?

House Judiciary Committee investigates 'manipulated' evidence seized by FBI in Trump classified records probe
Special counsel Jack Smith said in a filing 'there are some boxes where the order of items within that box is not the same as in the associated scans'

www.foxnews.com...

Lots of issues will never see the light of day. Criminal episodes that have been well-researched will be swept under the rug, instead of brought to light.

You could argue either way, that revelations would be for the good of the country, or kept quiet for the good of the country.

Surely a balance will be struck. We have a man on it.

Classically, it's like Plato's Noble Lie where for the good of the community, a Noble Lie is used to placate the masses.

I cite this pretty often in local politics, concerning conflicts of interest. I draw the line when their personal benefit outweighs the public benefit. They love when I do it to their face.

originally posted by: NoCorruptionAllowed

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Lazy88
a reply to: chr0naut

Dude. Your are just like a flat earther. All over the place. Ignoring the thread topic. Changing the subject randomly at the drop of a hat. Full of what-about-isms with no cited sources and no context.

You got Trump derangement syndrome bad.

Case 1:20-cv-05770-JMF Document 76-58

I cited sources, the topic thread progressed incrementally, and sometimes actually in response to others in this thread.

You are the one unreasonably hero-worshipping someone who seems to be fairly mundane, for a privileged elitist.

LOL.

Your response only further confirms that you do have TDS really bad.

It is indeed very funny to see. Trump just defeated the worst kind of human beings all set against him,

He is just as bad as they are. He's no saint.

He is suggesting that he will do things in his rallies that are going to ruin the lives of very many US citizens who have committed no crime, and that he will prosecute based only upon empty allegation. Trump mismanaged and denied a pandemic that killed more than a million US citizens. He broke the economy and trade, and then blamed everyone and everything else. He was the most powerful person in the US, if not the world, and he wimped out again and again.

survived assassination attempts

Some of the worst most evil and corrupt leaders in history have survived assassination attempts. I don't think surviving such means what you think it means.

and is now aligned with the best and most energetic and productive people like Elon Musk.

Elon Musk did not do hard work commensurate with the wealth he has acquired. No human being can produce that much personal output. He made himself rich by taking from others, who worked hard, got paid a pittance, and were sacked if they asked for a raise or a better work/life balance. He is an elitist billionaire. Now, Musk has been given a government position in "The Department of Government Efficiency". How much do you want to bet that Musk will apply his business management modus that forces workers to work harder for no extra compensation or be sacked, to US taxpayers? And no ethical conflict of interest there. LOL.

People like Tucker Carlson. People of good moral character and moral direction.

Thou shalt not bear false witness Exodus 20:16.

Tucker Carlson made his money doing just that. It's almost all he does. He has quite a list of sins, too: A Timeline of Tucker Carlson's Controversies. If you hold him up as a standard of morality, you're lost.

Trump came out on top defeating all those people who champion the most immoral and destructive policies.

You think Trump doesn't have any immoral and destructive policies? What about the million or so American citizens who died from COVID while he denied it and frustrated all attempts to deal with it properly?

This is also from the Bible, and is about 'the man of perdition, the antichrist':

An insolent king, skilled in intrigue, will come to the throne. His power will be great, but it will not be his own. He will cause terrible destruction and succeed in whatever he does. He will destroy the mighty men along with the holy people.

Through his craft and by his hand, he will cause deceit to prosper, and in his own mind he will make himself great.

In a time of peace he will destroy many, and he will even stand against the Prince of princes.

Yet he will be broken off, but not by human hands. The vision of the evenings and the mornings that has been spoken is true. Now you must seal up the vision, for it concerns the distant future.” - Daniel 8:23b - 8:26.

Who, out of all the politicians, in all the world, for all of modern history, best fits all of that?

That is a perfect definition of a hero and not one that would be considered unreasonable to admire. Your lack of logical reasoning is what is unreasonable. Ridiculous even. Now it's Trump's turn to turn things around and root out the scumbags that still want to sabotage American liberty and freedom. Imagine if you had someone across the pond that would do that for your country where liberty is being murdered.

Like a true tyrant!

A hero places themselves in danger for the protection of others. A hero isn't some officious offensive clod, who stirs up crowds to violence, and who persecutes others. What you are suggesting that Trump will do is persecution, not heroism. Trump would never place anyone else in importance before himself - he's a narcissist, he is incapable of putting someone else first.

Liberty also can't be murdered because it isn't a living thing. The very language you are using there is nothing but an empty and illogical slogan. US Citizens barely have any liberty anyway. In all the freedom indexes of the world, the USA is never high on the rankings.

And the US is militarily belligerent, abusing the sovereignty of other countries unbidden, in war after war. It's not the 'good guy nation' it's the 'bully thug nation', over and over again, and look who they just re-elected. Hmm?