Should we look for the truth, or just let it go?

Look for the truth, find the truth, respond based on the truth that's revealed.

We'll get what we tolerate.

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: tjack
Nobody is above the law amirite?

Not even the President elect.

And any attempt to pardon themselves is corruption, pure and simple.

if you wish to comment on US things, you might want to educate yourself on US things. Like the Constitution. Start with finding the part where a president can't pardon himself and go from there.

Article II, Section 2, Clause 1 places the President above the law. It is political corruption written into the US Constitution from the get-go.

Article II, Section 2, Clause 1 also contradicts the Presidential pledge of office, and Article II, Section 3 of the Constitution.

Even under Article II, Section 2, Clause 1, the President cannot grant any pardon without the specific written advice of the principal officers of the executive departments. Nor can the President pardon themselves from an impeachment.

Presidential pardons dilute the balance of the judicial branch to make lawful judgement and that of Congress to enact binding laws.

Yep, so if need be, Trump can pardon himself. Now you might start to grasp this.

But if some other political leader had committed crimes, and then pardoned themselves through political power and influence, would that mean that they didn't commit those crimes?

I mean, what's to stop someone in that position from lying, cheating, stealing, murder, and etc, then they just say, nah, I'm all good, I pardon myself. Do you think that isn't obvious corruption?

a reply to: network dude

Trump let it all go to the wayside during his first term, all the swamp nonsense, thinking it was best to not prosecute people. This term, I'm not so sure if he should, but he probably will let things go with the same idea of draining the swamp with a better thought out team. I think he was too trusting last term, and look what happened from that.

Republicans control everything right now so at least he doesn't have to worry about immediate masturbatory impeachments again of the onset. He should clear house and do his thing.

He's the most moderate president we've had in over half a century. I trust him to do what he does and to do it right for the love of the country. That's my sincere belief.

In the end, the Republicans say what they wish to see, and the Democrats say what they plan to do. It's time for Republicans to act because it's getting tiresome watching the infighting. Now the roles seem to be inversed. Republicans are winning on relevant media and culture, whereas Democrats seem to be losing the plot.

We'll see, I suppose. But I say fire as many people as possible and prosecute the criminally insane.

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: tjack
Nobody is above the law amirite?

Not even the President elect.

And any attempt to pardon themselves is corruption, pure and simple.

if you wish to comment on US things, you might want to educate yourself on US things. Like the Constitution. Start with finding the part where a president can't pardon himself and go from there.

Article II, Section 2, Clause 1 places the President above the law. It is political corruption written into the US Constitution from the get-go.

Article II, Section 2, Clause 1 also contradicts the Presidential pledge of office, and Article II, Section 3 of the Constitution.

Even under Article II, Section 2, Clause 1, the President cannot grant any pardon without the specific written advice of the principal officers of the executive departments. Nor can the President pardon themselves from an impeachment.

Presidential pardons dilute the balance of the judicial branch to make lawful judgement and that of Congress to enact binding laws.

Yep, so if need be, Trump can pardon himself. Now you might start to grasp this.

But if some other political leader had committed crimes, and then pardoned themselves through political power and influence, would that mean that they didn't commit those crimes?

I mean, what's to stop someone in that position from lying, cheating, stealing, murder, and etc, then they just say, nah, I'm all good, I pardon myself. Do you think that isn't obvious corruption?

well, let's look at the crimes Trump did. His accounting team paid his lawyer, and classified the payments as a legal fee.
That's the 34 felony counts. 34 checks. I'm going to go out on a limb here and state that I'm OK with him erasing this if that's his choice. If he robs a bank, we can talk about those charges at the time.

a reply to: network dude

Former Illinois Governor Rod Blagojevich told (then) President Trump that the Democrat machine is geared for cheating, whenever needed.

President Trump said, if you tell me how it works, in detail, I will let you out of prison.

Two months later, Trump told reporters, "We've caught them. The deep state. We've caught them all".

The next month, Blagojevich was pardoned and released from prison. (He was convicted of using "fraud" to steer Obama's empty U.S. Senate seat to the highest bidder.)

Coincidence? There are other "pointers" to Trump having evidence as well.

We'll know 4 sure in a few months.

Need to walk the fine line of investigation and not turning it into a political witch hunt. But anyone not an elected official that broke the law needs to see consequences.

Now. If those unelected officials that broke the law want to turn into informants with real, credible, undeniable evidence against elected officials, I think deals could be made.

originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: chr0naut

Trump was impeached twice. Both times for lies based on TDS. That's why impeachment doesn't mean anything anymore.

Nope, it was real. He did those things. There was evidence and all.

But good news is, nobody here gives a rats ass what you think about the US. You don't live here, don't know what goes on here, and seem to just like offering a pointless opinion. I'm sure folks would love to reciprocate and find all the flaws in New Zealand government, but the truth is, I just don't think anyone cares that much about your island.

New Zealand territory covers more than 700 islands, but there are two main ones that are most heavily populated. In land area, New Zealand is slightly bigger than the UK and slightly smaller than Italy.

BTW, Trump will be president for the next 4 years. pace yourself. You have a lot of time to spread that TDS hate.

He has already been President for four years. I have little reason to believe he will do any better this time around. His platform was almost entirely the same as it was the last time.

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: chr0naut

Trump was impeached twice. Both times for lies based on TDS. That's why impeachment doesn't mean anything anymore.

Nope, it was real. He did those things. There was evidence and all.

But good news is, nobody here gives a rats ass what you think about the US. You don't live here, don't know what goes on here, and seem to just like offering a pointless opinion. I'm sure folks would love to reciprocate and find all the flaws in New Zealand government, but the truth is, I just don't think anyone cares that much about your island.

New Zealand territory covers more than 700 islands, but there are two main ones that are most heavily populated. In land area, New Zealand is slightly bigger than the UK and slightly smaller than Italy.

BTW, Trump will be president for the next 4 years. pace yourself. You have a lot of time to spread that TDS hate.

He has already been President for four years. I have little reason to believe he will do any better this time around. His platform was almost entirely the same as it was the last time.

You do know he was acquitted both times? So he was impeached but not proven to have done those things.

a reply to: chr0naut

Someday, you'll realize you've been lied to, these past 8 years.

That is, if you're self aware enough to realize it.

It's all going to come to light. Will you admit your ignorance when it does?

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: tjack
Nobody is above the law amirite?

Not even the President elect.

And any attempt to pardon themselves is corruption, pure and simple.

if you wish to comment on US things, you might want to educate yourself on US things. Like the Constitution. Start with finding the part where a president can't pardon himself and go from there.

Article II, Section 2, Clause 1 places the President above the law. It is political corruption written into the US Constitution from the get-go.

Article II, Section 2, Clause 1 also contradicts the Presidential pledge of office, and Article II, Section 3 of the Constitution.

Even under Article II, Section 2, Clause 1, the President cannot grant any pardon without the specific written advice of the principal officers of the executive departments. Nor can the President pardon themselves from an impeachment.

Presidential pardons dilute the balance of the judicial branch to make lawful judgement and that of Congress to enact binding laws.

Yep, so if need be, Trump can pardon himself. Now you might start to grasp this.

But if some other political leader had committed crimes, and then pardoned themselves through political power and influence, would that mean that they didn't commit those crimes?

I mean, what's to stop someone in that position from lying, cheating, stealing, murder, and etc, then they just say, nah, I'm all good, I pardon myself. Do you think that isn't obvious corruption?

well, let's look at the crimes Trump did. His accounting team paid his lawyer, and classified the payments as a legal fee.
That's the 34 felony counts. 34 checks. I'm going to go out on a limb here and state that I'm OK with him erasing this if that's his choice. If he robs a bank, we can talk about those charges at the time.

Yeah that was just in one case. And that was State crime, so he cant legally Pardon himself for them. He'd have to be pardoned by the NY Governor.

What about the other charges:

Every Crime Donald Trump Has Been Charged With, Explained

Aww hell naw!!! Appoint an unbiased special prosecutor, judge and jury for each one and pursue it to the fullest extent of the law

Should we look for the truth, or just let it go?

Just the fact that this question has been offered for debate reveals how corrupted, compromising, subdued and WEAK Americans have become.

originally posted by: sine.nomine

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: chr0naut

Trump was impeached twice. Both times for lies based on TDS. That's why impeachment doesn't mean anything anymore.

Nope, it was real. He did those things. There was evidence and all.

But good news is, nobody here gives a rats ass what you think about the US. You don't live here, don't know what goes on here, and seem to just like offering a pointless opinion. I'm sure folks would love to reciprocate and find all the flaws in New Zealand government, but the truth is, I just don't think anyone cares that much about your island.

New Zealand territory covers more than 700 islands, but there are two main ones that are most heavily populated. In land area, New Zealand is slightly bigger than the UK and slightly smaller than Italy.

BTW, Trump will be president for the next 4 years. pace yourself. You have a lot of time to spread that TDS hate.

He has already been President for four years. I have little reason to believe he will do any better this time around. His platform was almost entirely the same as it was the last time.

You do know he was acquitted both times? So he was impeached but not proven to have done those things.

In the senate trial of the 1st impeachment, the final vote was split (barring one senator on one article) entirely on party lines, but the majority did vote not guilty.

In the senate trial of the 2nd impeachment, 57 senators pronounced him guilty and 43 pronounced him not guilty. While the majority found him guilty, it didn't meet the two-thirds majority required for conviction. By no means was he found innocent of the charge.

All things will be revealed that is why democrats did all they could to keep Trump from the white house, even two attempts to murder.

Democrats are right, democracy will take a hit, but the hit is because the swamp is going down, the truth corruption will be expose, but as with everything US will survive.

The swamp will not.

originally posted by: SourGrapes
a reply to: chr0naut

Someday, you'll realize you've been lied to, these past 8 years.

That is, if you're self aware enough to realize it.

It's all going to come to light. Will you admit your ignorance when it does?

I can only go on the evidence that I have been presented with.

If new evidence comes to light, I will go with that. But until it does, I will go with the body of evidence presented so far.

Also, it is entirely possible that some truths will never come to light. The best we can do is to critically and rationally evaluate as much evidence as we can before forming an opinion, and to not be too attached to that opinion as to ignore contradictory evidence.

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: tjack
Nobody is above the law amirite?

Not even the President elect.

And any attempt to pardon themselves is corruption, pure and simple.

if you wish to comment on US things, you might want to educate yourself on US things. Like the Constitution. Start with finding the part where a president can't pardon himself and go from there.

Article II, Section 2, Clause 1 places the President above the law. It is political corruption written into the US Constitution from the get-go.

Article II, Section 2, Clause 1 also contradicts the Presidential pledge of office, and Article II, Section 3 of the Constitution.

Even under Article II, Section 2, Clause 1, the President cannot grant any pardon without the specific written advice of the principal officers of the executive departments. Nor can the President pardon themselves from an impeachment.

Presidential pardons dilute the balance of the judicial branch to make lawful judgement and that of Congress to enact binding laws.

Yep, so if need be, Trump can pardon himself. Now you might start to grasp this.

But if some other political leader had committed crimes, and then pardoned themselves through political power and influence, would that mean that they didn't commit those crimes?

I mean, what's to stop someone in that position from lying, cheating, stealing, murder, and etc, then they just say, nah, I'm all good, I pardon myself. Do you think that isn't obvious corruption?

well, let's look at the crimes Trump did. His accounting team paid his lawyer, and classified the payments as a legal fee.
That's the 34 felony counts. 34 checks. I'm going to go out on a limb here and state that I'm OK with him erasing this if that's his choice. If he robs a bank, we can talk about those charges at the time.

Yeah that was just in one case. And that was State crime, so he cant legally Pardon himself for them. He'd have to be pardoned by the NY Governor.

What about the other charges:

Every Crime Donald Trump Has Been Charged With, Explained

Or wait till the appeals court makes their decision. Ignorance is your forte! That appeal will prove the case was bogus, the appellate court took issue with the case even being brought to trial. Which is understandable since they tried " novel legal theories" to prosecute! Corruption as we discussed covers many avenues and it is looking like in their haste to convict Trump they stretched the law to fit their needs. Typical of the left too, all about appearance not substance.

a reply to: chr0naut

He has already been President for four years. I have little reason to believe he will do any better this time around. His platform was almost entirely the same as it was the last time.

And Harris and the Democrats platform was exactly the same as it was in 2020.

"Trump is Hitler"

So where is the 15 million extra voters that voted for Joe and not Kamala?
They don't exist.

originally posted by: marg6043
All things will be revealed that is why democrats did all they could to keep Trump from the white house, even two attempts to murder.

Democrats are right, democracy will take a hit, but the hit is because the swamp is going down, the truth corruption will be expose, but as with everything US will survive.

The swamp will not.

One of the attempted assassins was a stated Republican and was at one time pro-Trump. My belief is that both attempted assassins were not in their right minds and did not have rational motivation for their actions.

The only reason Kamala won the liberal states she won is because those states been liberal they do not required ID to vote, again corruption and illegal voting gave her the vote.



We need national ID cards to vote.

a reply to: chr0naut

And here you are still believing the lies and propaganda.

Maybe, there is no hope for you.

Do you have mental institutions on your island? You'll probably need one to help you cope when you're finally allowed to see and read news that isn't propaganda.

Eta: the "once a MAGA, now a Trump hater" story is made up propaganda