Casualties reported after school shooting at Apalachee High School

a reply to: SourGrapes

We need to go back to when school was actually about learning about not about feelings

a reply to: charlest2

Even more repression and guilt. No thanks.

What we need is mental health counseling and a zero tolerance policy for bullying.

a reply to: PorkChop96

It's the culmination of the participation generation. When a child is never allowed to lose, to be rejected, to fail, the ability to process self-reflection in order to develop a plan of self-improvement is non existent. With no other outlet the teen/young adult that results has no other tools other than to lash out, to make others feel their sense of inadequacy.

a reply to: matafuchs

Putting armed Vets in every school may reduce the number of these attacks and minimise the deaths when they do occur but its only papering over the cracks.
Its a short term fix that would be more than likely become a permanent fixture without addressing the root cause.
Not addressing the root cause will only result in it manifesting itself in other harmful ways in society.

Why and how is America producing all these kids/people who want to go into schools and start randomly killing as many people as possible?

originally posted by: Freeborn
a reply to: matafuchs

Why and how is America producing all these kids/people who want to go into schools and start randomly killing as many people as possible?

See Moon68s response above yours

a reply to: Freeborn

Yes, the point is, surely, why might it be even proposed to put armed Vets in US schools?

originally posted by: grey580
a reply to: charlest2

Even more repression and guilt. No thanks.

What we need is mental health counseling and a zero-tolerance policy for bullying.

1000 times this, it is the root cause

Improved security would be helpful too, we need to apply multiple potential solutions.

And yes it always comes down to money, applied correctly it could help. The mental health aspect is ignored, I just read some of Audrey Hall's journal. These deep-rooted issues could have been mitigated with consistent counseling and other methods.

The suspect is a 14-year-old boy, in a school of 1900 students chances are bullying is a part of the problem here

Gun laws are not the answer.
These schools are predominantly gun free zones where there is little/no defense and no armed good guys around.
Gun laws only turn law abiding citizens into law breakers for doing absolutely nothing to earn that title.

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: Freeborn

Yes, the point is, surely, why might it be even proposed to put armed Vets in US schools?

Well, let's see:

We, at some point, wrote a check for up to and including our lives to protect people we would never know. What do you think we'd do for children we interact with on a daily basis?

We are used to running towards trouble instead of away from it.

We are damn good shots. Even a vet that's a "bad" shot is probably better than at least 80% of civilians.

We have a, ahem, colorful use of the English language that can expand the vocabulary of all we come in contact with.

I can come up with more if needed.

a reply to: PorkChop96

I did and I agree that is likely to be a part of it. As are some of the other things mentioned previously.
So who is going to take the bull by the horns and start the process of addressing all these contributing factors with a level of honesty and openness and without agenda that is required?
Unfortunately, exactly the same as my country, you seem to be lacking anyone with the vision, degree of integrity and determination to even address one of those issues.

If you, or we, are to genuinely start righting the many deep rooted problems we respectively face we require people of merit who are committed to serve without any sense of pride and self-promotion.

These problems won't be solved by one term in office or any one political party, they are well established now and any lasting solutions will be far reaching.

This isn't aimed or directed at any one politician/political party or viewpoint because it seems to me we are both severely lacking in options and choices.
They are all a shower of #e!

Apologies for the rant like nature of this post its just that so many people think simplistic answers like 'ban the guns', 'arm everyone' will truly solve this and related problems.
They are all just manifestations of a much more deep rooted malevolence.

a reply to: FamCore
Gateway Pundit

BREAKING UPDATE: 4 Dead, Approximately 30 Injured in Georgia School Shooting – Suspect in Custody (VIDEO)

UPDATE: At least four people are reportedly dead, with approximately 30 injured, per CNN. As of 2:23 pm ET, CNN reports that nine people were transferred to hospitals with injuries and four are confirmed dead, according to the Georgia Bureau of Investigation.

One suspect is in custody.

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: wAnchorofCarp

OK. So what's this got to do with immigrants in the UK?

We don't have all too regular school shootings.

There were plenty of guns around in the 30's, 40's and 50's. Hell, you could even buy machine guns then!

But what there wasn't was mass school shootings. What changed? Not guns, that's for sure. The people changed. Guns don't hate, and guns don't kill...only people do.

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
"We have sent 50 Billion to Ukraine in two years."

Not in cash, though.

But what's that got to do with all these school shootings?

Spend that tax money here at home, for instance on metal detectors and armed guards in high schools, instead of on foreigners.

It was early to mid 1990's when things really started to change. ADHD drugs were given out like candy to make little zombies in the class room. The drugs have only gotten worse for our kids since then.
They started teaching children in school that if your parent hit you, in any form, without differentiating "spanking", you could call the police on them.
They started the "everybody wins, we don't keep score" BS.

Shutting down the mental health facilities in the 80's and replacing them with drugs, was one of the biggest mistakes we did to our children.
Treating our children's mental health, without drugging them needs to be studied and figured out. We are giving them these drugs, not having a clue what the actual long term effects on them are.
Teaching them how to handle disappointment, heartbreak, ect and explaining that it will happen. It happens to everyone, no matter what they see on tik tok.

Just my opinion. Since the 90's, society as a whole have not done our children any favors. There are a few other things that my generation was raised learning, that we don't see much anymore, at least in public.
I'm not sure how we fix what is going on right now. But we need to figure it out, and fast.
I do know the government is not the answer.

originally posted by: Moon68
a reply to: frogs453

Guns are not the problem. Never has been.

Why are some parents raising little psychos?

Answer that and you're halfway to a resolution.

^^ That.

The left will use this as an excuse to take guns away from law abiding people who use them for self protection.

They will want to leave everyone without any, and the criminals will get the guns no matter what.

Mental illness is the problem. Parents leaving children to be raised by strangers and the schools instead of being raised by them is the problem. A society that thinks that having sound morals is 'backwards thinking' is the problem.

How does a kid even get his hand on a gun?
That's the first headscratcher. When we got angry with school we'd at best blow up a toilet with some firecrackers... Who knows what we'd have done had we had acces to a firearm, no one will because kids didn't have acces, and never will.

Sucks to be the US... I think you better get used to it, take it as the blood necessary to water the tree of freedom, then you could evwn get all patriotic about it...

a reply to: Moon68

Yet the majority of "little psychos" these parents are raising allow them easy access to weapons or in some cases, buy them one. A "little psycho" as in this case 14 years old, is not likely to get a gun on his or her own.

You can claim it's not the gun, however youngsters who should have no access to them seem to easily get them, no? Without access to that gun, would 30 people have been injured and 4 dead? The chance of building a bomb or something to kill or injure that many people would certainly have a bigger chance of being caught ahead of time, rather than a kid one day just nabbing an easily accessible gun in the house.

originally posted by: Flyingclaydisk

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: wAnchorofCarp

OK. So what's this got to do with immigrants in the UK?

We don't have all too regular school shootings.

There were plenty of guns around in the 30's, 40's and 50's. Hell, you could even buy machine guns then!

But what there wasn't was mass school shootings. What changed? Not guns, that's for sure. The people changed. Guns don't hate, and guns don't kill...only people do.

Most people had common sense, morals and most of all coping skills.

When you read about a kid trapped every day and bullied the rest of the world seems 1000 miles away. If they have little or no structure at home they become isolated and feel miserable and hopeless.

From mass shooters to serial killers it's like we don't want to talk with our kids, we'd rather just give them a prescription and say you are on your own dumbazz. Most kids the vast majority find a way, the others need help.

I don't know the answer but it will take more than one solution.

Watched a video the other day, this student had a "student helper" an older student walking with them in a high school hallway. In the video the a few girls who started beating the hell out of the "student helper" to get to the student they were bullying. This was again girls teen girls being the hell out of this older student.

Teachers and administrations at schools are overworked over-stressed, underpaid and are not equipped or have the time to evaluate and help every bullied child.

a reply to: putnam6

I just saw a video the other day at a rally of a candidate who shall remain nameless of a woman all riled up because she believed that CRT was being taught to her child because they had a discussion about empathy. Empathy. She was against her child learning empathy. It's no wonder why kids bully if caring or kindness is a "bad" thing.

originally posted by: frogs453
a reply to: Moon68

Yet the majority of "little psychos" these parents are raising allow them easy access to weapons or in some cases, buy them one. A "little psycho" as in this case 14 years old, is not likely to get a gun on his or her own.

You can claim it's not the gun, however youngsters who should have no access to them seem to easily get them, no? Without access to that gun, would 30 people have been injured and 4 dead? The chance of building a bomb or something to kill or injure that many people would certainly have a bigger chance of being caught ahead of time, rather than a kid one day just nabbing an easily accessible gun in the house.

How did the shooter get the firearm? I don't know. If you have some knowledge as to that answer you should contact the authorities. I haven't seen anything on that. Oh right, you don't know either. You're just going on another anti-gun screed.

And who the F are you to determine what someone's child should have? My kids learned to respect firearms at an early age with no input from you. It's a mental/psychological issue not a tool issue.