Eighty thousand deserters in Ukraine

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: charlest2

Says an internet Armchair General.....

And so says Col. Douglas Macgregor, Col. Lawrence Wilkerson, Larry C. Johnson, Max Blumenthal, Tony Shaffer, Scott Ritter, Ray McGovern and many other prominent authorities knowledgeable in this mater. People that stay up to date in this mater, that this government avoids taking advice from out of convenience to pursuit of their evil objectives.

But you stick with the mainstream propaganda to satisfy your Russophobia and bloodlust. Keep your head in the sand. Or more precisely, up where the sun doesn't shine.

a reply to: charlest2

If you could simply point us in the direction of "Eighty thousand deserters in Ukraine" that might be nice.

You know same as the topic of the thread claims.

a reply to: andy06shake
No, you prove the OP is wrong. You want others to expend the effort while you sit back and type challenges on your keyboard. You take the easy route and expect others to expend their time and effort to invalidate your accusations and assumptions. I won't do it. You prove the OP wrong. You can't!

a reply to: charlest2

I did.

Once again charges for "various offenses" do not equate to eighty thousand deserters.

Or anything reminiscent of the sort.

Else if you could simply show us them.

That should be easy should it not if true..................

You won't do it because you cant do it.

See just because a person is charged with an offense does not make them guilty or a deserter.

And you are apt to have a hard time proving differently to the tune of 80,000 people.

Clown shoes.

originally posted by: UpIsNowDown2
a reply to: VariedcodeSole

the = and the &t signs are to do with someone putting a timestamp on the video, so it starts at a certain point, see my previous post it should explain it for you

I'm not selecting a certain timestamp, I'm selecting the video itself from the feed.

I refresh the page and it eliminates those multiple instances. I don't really care what they actually do, but okay.

Question is, why does it initially load with multiple instances of = and &t for EVERY video selected, and then when you refresh the page, the address has a single = instead?
🤷🏻

I've been on this site ~10 years and this has never been a problem. Now, every YouTube video I want to use has this stupidly long address.

a reply to: andy06shake

You didn't prove anything. You provided your statement of opinion without anything substantial to back it up. Your posts contain just about as much validity or authoritative evidence to prove your opinions as Oldcarpy's one line zingers.

I am beginning to think both of you graduated from the same school of diversion, distraction, disinformation, obfuscation and avoidance. I would call it, "The School of Hot Air".

a reply to: charlest2

"So when will you start providing anything substantial rather than your typical one liner provocations? I never see anything from you that can be considered relevant to a discussion. Just a constant stream of one line prods and provocations. Prove it, prove it, prove it. Jab, jab jab. Your discussions are tripe most of the time.

This is why I have grown tired of you."

Hands Charlest2 a large mirror......

Have a great night.

a reply to: charlest2

You prove the OP wrong.

Has the OP proven that he is right in his assertions?

a reply to: Freeborn

Here we go again!

I'm done here. LOL

a reply to: charlest2

It's a fact that different "various offenses" do not equate to eighty thousand deserters.

Not an opinion.

For a start, people are innocent until found to be otherwise.

Nice to see you resorting to a personal attack all the same once again because you simply cannot back up your ludicrous claims.

Im beginning to think you did not graduate at all.

So right back at you.

a reply to: charlest2

You sure are my little sausage.

Would you like a pin?

a reply to: charlest2

Again?

a reply to: andy06shake

You would probably stick it in my eye.

a reply to: charlest2

A civil and polite question results in dummy being spat out and a petulant exit.
Why?

I thought the very purpose of ATS was to question, discuss and debate?
Its never been intended to be just an echo chamber.....or that's always been my understanding of things.

Maybe I've been wrong all these years?

a reply to: charlest2

"But you stick with the mainstream propaganda to satisfy your Russophobia and bloodlust. Keep your head in the sand. Or more precisely, up where the sun doesn't shine."

You stick with your Ukrainophobia.

As for your childish insults....Meh.

a reply to: charlest2

Can't imagine why you would think that.

It's not like it would make you see ""my"" point.

Anyhoo let's keep it clean, even implications such as that are against the TnC.

a reply to: RickyD

Yes, but the eighty thousand deserters thing?

a reply to: Freeborn

Over time, the same attitudes repeat over and over again. Never changing! The repetition has gotten stagnant and no longer worth the pursuit. No attitudes are changed or altered in the process and further discussion has gotten to be nothing more than beating a dead horse.

I'm not saying you are wrong but even if you are wrong, by now, it is highly unlikely you will change. If past discussions have not changed your mind, one more is unlikely to do it. I would have better odds playing Blackjack at the casinos in Vegas.

a reply to: Oldcarpy2

Well the source here appears to be from Ukraine themselves...else I would concede that they aren't accurate. I haven't dug in to look at what each charge is...but it seems on the surface they have to do with either leaving a post or disobeying orders. The fact they don't have these people in custody would lead me to believe they are now AWOL so...thats pretty much desertion right? I mean its not a list of folks charged for embezzling or J-walking...it all has to do with things related to disobeying orders.

I am sure there are those on the other side who've done similar things...but we don't see Russia's lines moving back all over the fromt because their soldiers are abandoning their posts so I doubt they are having as big of an issue with it.

a reply to: andy06shake

The source is a telegram post from Alexander Fediyenko an MP in Ukraine...thats what I could find after digging. I don't think the actual list is public...however from what I gather they all have to do with soldiers leaving their post without orders to do so...many I would say left their post in direct contradiction with their orders to hold or die. So are you saying one of Ukraines own politicans are lying/doesn't know whats happeing in his own country? Are you also saying you know better than he does?